Chronicle Sheet Clarification [Spoilers]


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looking for official PFS guidance on the

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faerie dragon:riddywhipple that was granted via chronical sheet (not looking for educated guesses from the peanut gallery ;))
1. Can the faerie dragon be upgraded/modified by animal archive?
2. since on the chronical sheet it doesn't say "limit 1" does this mean that if riddywhipple dies you can pay the cost to get another faerie dragon?
3. do any of the special abilities increase as the faerie dragon increases in HD. ie does his greater invisibility last for 3 rounds or = to number of HD of wizard?, does the faerie dragon's spell resistance increase with HD of wizard or does it remain at 13 until the wizard grants it spell resistance at level 11?, does DC of breath weapon increase with HD?
4. Have there been any other official rulings regarding the afore mentioned faerie dragon? don't want to be blindsided or questioned regarding legality and find out i am unknowingly breaking a rule.

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1. yes, as long as you receive the faerie dragon after the rules for animal archive was released you can get any changes for free. since the ruling is that you can only make animal archive options when you first receive the familiar, you have to pay to get a new familiar OR get the free upgrade from choosing the improved familiar feat in order to get them. so if you have received riddywipple since the animal archive rules became legal in pfs, you can choose feats and an archetype for free.

2. the chronicle sheet says

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Faerie Dragon Improved Familiar: A caster of at least 7th level with an alignment within one step of chaotic good may bond with the faerie dragon Riddywipple using the Improved Familiar feat. If you make this bond with the creature, you must provide a copy of the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 3 as if the improved familiar were available as an Additional Resource.

I cannot see why that would be the case, but this is very specific case, i cannot cite rules one way or the other. i would think that you can choose another faerie dragon (i gave this GM cert to a character i made whose storyline had him have a faerie dragon egg which will hatch when he is level 7 and can get it. i don't see why that would be disallowed since it obviously isn't riddywipple)

3.the only thing that increases are those things based on HD, which is just the improved invisibility SLA. it will increase in the number of rounds it lasts, but that's it. everything else stays the same.

4. none that i know of. but i have lots of cheese on my original character who received the boon. since he is actually a sorcerer you can buy things like a ring of wizardry 1 and/or pages of spell knowledge for him. my eyes of the ten group constantly jokes that i play a faerie dragon character who has an elven rogue familiar :)

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3. As far as I understand familiars do not progress in HD. So the special abilities do not get any better. The line relating to using the wizards class level as the familiars HD is only in relation to the purposes of effects (i.e. Does the familiar go unconcious or are they just stunned when it gets color sprayed?) There is a Quote from James Jacobs to this degree but I can't seem to find it.

So specifically about the Fairie Dragon....3 rounds and always will be 3 rounds.

Edit: Considering your first two answers were opposites in this regards should tell you that YMMV and to expect table variation.

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prd on familiars wrote:
Hit Dice: For the purpose of effects related to number of Hit Dice, use the master's character level or the familiar's normal HD total, whichever is higher.

i take that to mean everything that hit dice effects, including spell like abilities it may have. i will try to find evidence if i can.

EDIT: all i could find is an old 3.5 article from 2005 that states exactly what you said lab rat. now i'm not sure, i thought it was clearly advancement in other abilities to help it stay alive, although it didn't help many. but it could use some clarification since they changed familiars somewhat since 3.5

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The intent of the boon is that it grants access to the same faerie dragon that you encounter in the scenario. If something happens to your improved familiar, you must have access to a replacement from a different source, as Riddywhipple is no more. Currently this is the only means of accessing a faerie dragon as an improved familiar, but we may provide one for Riddywhipple's cousin or whatever at a later time.

So currently, you're advised to take good care of your special friend!

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As for a familiar's abilities, they do not increase in duration or potency, as the creature's HD do not increase. For the purposes of determining whether or how a spell effects a familiar when the familiar is targeted (like sleep, color spray, or blasphemy), it treats the caster's level or it's own HD total as its HD (whichever is higher). A familiar scales by having half the caster's hit points, and using the base saves and base attack bonus of the caster if higher than the familiar's. But a familiar is not a cohort, nor an animal companion, and thus it advances only as outlined in the Familiars section of the wizard class description on page 82 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.

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Good to know Mark! Kinda cool that it's a one of a kind familiar, so if he dies, he dies. (I guess you COULD raise him...)

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Mark: Thanks! I think people get hung up on what EFFECT means in the game. The only sudo-official response to that question (Until now) was in the Ask James Jacobs thread and the post seems to be missing (All links to it go to a different post).

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Mark Moreland wrote:

The intent of the boon is that it grants access to the same faerie dragon that you encounter in the scenario. If something happens to your improved familiar, you must have access to a replacement from a different source, as Riddywhipple is no more. Currently this is the only means of accessing a faerie dragon as an improved familiar, but we may provide one for Riddywhipple's cousin or whatever at a later time.

So currently, you're advised to take good care of your special friend!

Remember that the Raise Animal Companion spell, despite the name, can also be used on a familiar:

"This spell functions as raise dead, but it only affects an animal companion, familiar, or paladin’s bonded mount."
You'll still have to take care of Riddywhipple's negative levels with a couple Restorations though...

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I appreciate the clarification if not the limitation ;) looks like no extra magic item slot for poor riddy

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yea, i applied my gm cert to a character who was going to have a faerie dragon familiar, but entirely different background reasons for having one, it wasn't going to be riddywipple at all. but i like my background story too much to give it up. if he dies i will ress him instead of getting a new one to comply with the rules, but my story isn't going to change.

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CRobledo wrote:
Good to know Mark! Kinda cool that it's a one of a kind familiar, so if he dies, he dies. (I guess you COULD raise him...)

Not if he gets disintegrated, sadly. RIP Riddywhipple... you shall be missed.

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also, there is nothing stopping you from getting rid of him as your familiar, then paying the money for the ritual to get a new familiar, and getting him back again. then you could apply the new archetype/feats to him.

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actually mr moreland just stated that riddywhipple is a once only familiar...no getting rid of him to get a new faerie dragon.

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wilder79 wrote:
actually mr moreland just stated that riddywhipple is a once only familiar...no getting rid of him to get a new faerie dragon.

Actually, asthyril was suggesting dismissing Riddywhipple as your familiar, then "rehiring" Riddlewhipple as your new familiar.

That being said, common sense applies, asthyril. Firing/rehiring your familiar does not suddenly completely retrain the same creature. You could dismiss your fox familiar and then get a NEW fox familiar with a different feat/archetype, but you (logically) couldn't do it with Riddywhipple.

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SCPRedMage wrote:
wilder79 wrote:
actually mr moreland just stated that riddywhipple is a once only familiar...no getting rid of him to get a new faerie dragon.

Actually, asthyril was suggesting dismissing Riddywhipple as your familiar, then "rehiring" Riddlewhipple as your new familiar.

That being said, common sense applies, asthyril. Firing/rehiring your familiar does not suddenly completely retrain the same creature. You could dismiss your fox familiar and then get a NEW fox familiar with a different feat/archetype, but you (logically) couldn't do it with Riddywhipple.

the fact that getting an animal to become sentient doesn't bother you, or the fact that it is suddenly as skilled as you at everything you know how to do, all because of a magical ritual, but somehow redoing the ritual in a 'new way' which alters the abilities the creature gets, that is what breaks common sense for you? how does that break logic? it's MAGIC in the first place, how can you apply logic to that?

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asthyril wrote:
it's MAGIC in the first place, how can you apply logic to that?

You're right, of course; magic cannot have logic applied, which is why my fireballs always causes it to rain puppies.

Seriously, though, the feats a familiar has are from the base creature; to continue with my fox example, ALL non-custom foxes have Skill Focus (Perception), whether they are a familiar or not; it's not somehow granted by the process of being made a familiar. Likewise, Riddywhipple's feats would come from his base faerie-dragon hit dice, not him becoming a familiar. He has the feat before becoming a familiar, he'll have it after becoming a familiar, and he'd have it after being dismissed as a familiar.

As to familiar archetypes, Mike Brock has stated you can apply archetypes/feats from the AA to NEW familiars/companions, not existing ones. The "common sense" here is that firing/rehiring Riddywhipple would not constitute a "new" familiar, and is a blatant attempt to game the system, so to speak.

If this was a familiar without this kind of "once-off" restriction, sure, you could dismiss your familiar "Snowball II", summon a new one, name him "Snowball II" and pretend the first one never happened. These are really two separate, previously unnamed, creatures, according to the rules. But in this case, you are being given access to one SPECIFIC, named creature.


I am just waiting for a cataclysmic effect to happen soon. When riddywhipple meets himself. If they touch will Golarian exist afterwards?

Will real Riddywhipple please stand up!

A fourth dimensional tear in the fabric of space will open up and from that tear will emerge Rovagug the Destroyer. Rovagug in the flesh will destroy all those who oppose him. Mostly because there will be no one of a level higher than 12. Sad face =(

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And here's a nice stupid question. What does Riddywhipple look like? It's been 6 months since I played the scenario & I finally qualified to convince him to be my familiar, so I no longer remember. And he is a 'he', isn't he? Or is he a she?

I want to make sure I have a good description of him.

Addendum: since I only just bonded with him, do I apply Animal Archives or not?

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Do I use the stats in the adventure, or the ones in Bestiary 3?

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As per the boon on the chronicle, you use the version in the Bestiary 3 and must have a copy of same as if it were allowed by Additional Resources.

Shadow Lodge 2/5

Thanks. That's what I thought but I had someone tell me I should be using the stats from the adventure.

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Rogar Stonebow wrote:

Will real Riddywhipple please stand up!

On THAT note - can the name be changed?

I just think its odd we could all have the SAME familiar and odder if two are in the party.

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Sorry to necro a thread, but are the spells he's allowed as a sorcerer set in stone as per Bestiary 3? I.E. can he take different spells?

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I'd imagine that they're set within the scenario, if not already spelled out on the Chronicle.

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Well for spells, look at pages of spell knowledge to 'swap out' spells. :-)

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Nefreet wrote:
I'd imagine that they're set within the scenario, if not already spelled out on the Chronicle.

Neither. The Chronicle Sheet simply says you may take a single faerie dragon as a familiar and the scenario refers to Bestiary 3 for the creature statblock.

chronicle text:

Faerie Dragon Improved Familiar: A caster of at least 7th level with an alignment within one step of chaotic good may bond with the faerie dragon Riddywipple using the Improved Familiar feat. If you make this bond with the creature, you must provide a copy of the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 3 as if the improved familiar were available as an Additional Resource.

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Then just as they're presented in Bestiary 3.

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Haven't looked at it in a while, but I'm pretty sure the version in the adventure has the same stats as the Bestiary 3, presumably for this very reason.

To answer the 2 year old question that never got answered, just google his name, and you'll find pictures of him out there on the internet.

Personally, I'm almost there. I GMed this and put the credit on my level 6 sorcerer a while ago, but now I'm finally playing her again, so she should (hopefully) hit level 7 in the not too distant future.

My big question (and really, this applies to anyone who takes Improved Familiar, not just with Riddywhipple) is what happens to the old familiar when you "upgrade"? Does it just fly away, go back to being a non-magical animal and forget its old life? That's kinda sad. I'm thinking Flowers for Algernon.

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Fromper wrote:
Does it just fly away, go back to being a non-magical animal and forget its old life? That's kinda sad. I'm thinking Flowers for Algernon.

They go to the Familiar Cemetery (and you thought the Pet Cemetery was bad!!!)?

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