"The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder's size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed."
wouldn't this imply that a large falcate being used as a 2 handed weapon by a medium character would not incur a penalty to attack, and let you get the same damage output as a greatsword with a x3 crit multiplier (assuming you burned the feat on exotic proficiency)?
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"The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder's size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed."wouldn't this imply that a large falcate being used as a 2 handed weapon by a medium character would not incur a penalty to attack, and let you get the same damage output as a greatsword with a x3 crit multiplier (assuming you burned the feat on exotic proficiency)?
No, because a Large-sized weapon is intended for a Large-sized character. You will take the -2 improper size bonus unless you have the Titan Mauler class ability or the Tiefling Oversized Limbs alternate trait-thing.
The weapon gets enlarged with the person holding them. You still would not be able to wield the Large-sized Elven Curved Blade, because it would now be a Huge-sized two-handed weapon, which cannot be wielded by a Large-sized creature.quick respons good sir :)
What do you think is the best over sized weapon to use, when you are using enlarge person potion?
Bastard Sword or Dwarven Waraxe.
ARG.Not exactly seeing it.
That page seems to still allow a feat to choose it. Here it is: Fiendish Heritage
its meant to be a one-handed weapon for a large-sized character though, no?
wouldnt that mean it could be wielded as a 2 handed weapon by a medium?
For example, a Small creature would wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon.
replace small with medium and medium with large
or am i missing something?
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its meant to be a one-handed weapon for a large-sized character though, no?
wouldnt that mean it could be wielded as a 2 handed weapon by a medium?
For example, a Small creature would wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon.replace small with medium and medium with large
or am i missing something?
It's inappropriately sized. While a Medium creature can wield a Large one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon, it is NOT considered a Medium two-handed weapon. Therefore, you take the -2 inappropriate size penalty.
Bastard Sword or Dwarven Waraxe.
I like your thinking, but please don't disregard the Falcata.
Large Bastard Sword @ 2d8 19-20/x2
Large Dwarven Waraxe @ 2d8 20/x3
Large Falcata @ 2d6 19-20/x3
When you then factor in the increase weapon size due to Enlarge Person you get 3d8 twice, versus 3d6. Each of them suffer the -2 to hit penalty for inappropriate size, but the latter two will incur a further -4 penalty if you do not also take EWP.
For those whom min/max;
Consider the Barbarian. Add the rage power (at level 16) Lethal Accuracy - increase crit multiplier by 1. Add the feat Furious Finish - when using (Imp./Grt) Vital Strike, can elect to deal maximum weapon dice damage at the cost of ending the rage.
Assuming Imp. Crit. or Keen weapon that would be, for a standard action, you get 8(times)d6+bonuses 17-20/x4, enlarged to 12(times)d65+bonuses 17-20/x4.
Even if brought down to PFS legal that would still be 9(times)d6+bonuses 17-20/x3.
Plus a move action somewhere in there.
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You need to burn a feat to use a falcata without a -4 non-proficiency penalty; fair enough, 19-29/x3 is worth it.
You don't need to burn a feat to avoid the -4 penalty when using large versions of the other two, as you must use each one two-handed, and:-
A character can use a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weapon.
A Medium character can use a dwarven waraxe two-handed as a martial weapon
...you just need Martial Weapon Proficiency in all weapons, as a class feature.
A Medium character can use a dwarven waraxe two-handed as a martial weapon
I knew there was something I was missing. I remembered the bastard sword caveat, but I was too tired to think to check the other. Cheers for the correction.
Or take the whole chain and walk up to bbegs and whallop them for (16d8 + a lot) damage on round one.
That was the idea behind the Barbarian I mentioned earlier as he can just /endrage to accept max damage from those dice. Plus the rage power to increase crit multiplier by 1, another with auto-crit-confirmx1/rage... Ruinous.
EDIT: It's not once per day. I was talking to someone as I was writing...
Also, the rage powers to get the crit-mult give a crazy boost to crit conf roll making auto-conf a little redundant. Unless your dice hate you.
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I still consider the Greatsword, Bastard sword or Longspear to be the better options, you are much more likely to find these for sale or as loot then you are any of the other weapons.
If you are asking about pure damage then yes the others are better.
However if you are talking overall in all campaigns then these are your best bet. Considering some campaigns (including PFS) don’t allow crafting so you have to pay for someone to make your weapon or to find it on the battlefield.
As the more common two handed weapons I think you can’t go wrong with these overall. If you have the ability or the money to craft or to be crafted then go with whatever you like.
I just don’t see the party finding the local enchanter in the village having a large Falcata available to buy, nor the local weaponsmith (who is also the blacksmith) having one in the back of the store “just in case”
I have played fighter types too often and found too many really nice weapons which were not my weapon of choice. Either gimp your char to take the feats for the new weapon, use the new weapon less effectively than you do your own or keep on going with your now less effective hitty stick of choice. You could sell them and have someone re-make a weapon but this does not help you halfway down the dungeon when it is 3 weeks to the closest store.
It all depends upon your perspective …
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I still consider the Greatsword, Bastard sword or Longspear to be the better options, you are much more likely to find these for sale or as loot then you are any of the other weapons.
If you are asking about pure damage then yes the others are better.
Thank you for bringing the voice of reason to the table. I had been looking purely at numerical potential and completely ignoring inventory likelihood.
I have played fighter types too often and found too many really nice weapons which were not my weapon of choice. Either gimp your char to take the feats for the new weapon, use the new weapon less effectively than you do your own or keep on going with your now less effective hitty stick of choice. You could sell them and have someone re-make a weapon but this does not help you halfway down the dungeon when it is 3 weeks to the closest store.
No, that doesn't sound like an attractive prospect at all.
Another good weapon is a large bastard sword, 2d8 damage, but you need ether a feat (Exotic Weapon Proficincy Bastard sword) or get adopted tengu.
I like a Transformative Crook that turned into a Huge Aklys. 3d6 damage with 20ft range to throw and able to pull back as a move action as well as trip special quality. With Furious Finish, power attack, vital strike mythic and greater vital strike, it's pretty awesome! Along with impact enchantment and mythic enlarge person. I think it's 8d6 damage, which makes =D 192 with weapon damage alone in a single hit.
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You mean aside from the -2 for using a inappropriately sized weapon? Yeah not worth it in most cases.
Nothing a bit of effortless lace won't solve.
How does having that factor into things?
The falcata is unique among weapons with it's "four point" critical rating, so given a high enough base damage it will come out ahead of anything else (assuming crits work).
A Gnome Heavens Oracle can be wielded in two hands as an improvised weapon, though they are more effective if you hold them and just let them cast Color Spray.