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I have a good, but slightly whacky, friend who is genuinely convinced that the myths of Elves are based on a real historical race that died out and that she is partly descended from them.
Of course she is...
Though in all seriousness I've seen a number of passing strangers in my time where I look at them and I can't help but think they've got some fey blood in them. With their delicate features, pointy ears, and unnaturally large almond shaped eyes...it's enough to make me wonder...
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I have a good, but slightly whacky, friend who is genuinely convinced that the myths of Elves are based on a real historical race that died out and that she is partly descended from them.Of course she is...
Though in all seriousness I've seen a number of passing strangers in my time where I look at them and I can't help but think they've got some fey blood in them. With their delicate features, pointy ears, and unnaturally large almond shaped eyes...it's enough to make me wonder...
It's just that Tolkien invaded your minds with wonderful literature, like magic. :)
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Sorry, haven't read the whole topic, but overall we are shooting for more realistic armor with actual coverage for both sexes. We're sticking with the overall aesthetic of Wayne Reynolds' art, so lots of coverage, pouches, layers, etc. We are not fans of stripper armor. More concept art and basic models and such will be coming out in the next few weeks.
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Sorry, haven't read the whole topic, but overall we are shooting for more realistic armor with actual coverage for both sexes. We're sticking with the overall aesthetic of Wayne Reynolds' art, so lots of coverage, pouches, layers, etc. We are not fans of stripper armor. More concept art and basic models and such will be coming out in the next few weeks.
Thanks for the official input. I look forward to the concept art since there's so much amazing looking stuff out there that doesn't automatically come with the idea you HAVE to look (middle school adolescent's version of)sexy to get in a fight.
Also, are you also going to include information about models for the bodies too at some point? The tech demo made it look like the choices would be between frail and even more frail so I thought about the hearty Barbarians or fat successful merchants in the world. I was wondering if the demo is representative or if there's a lot of diversity planned for development?
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Sorry, haven't read the whole topic, but overall we are shooting for more realistic armor with actual coverage for both sexes. We're sticking with the overall aesthetic of Wayne Reynolds' art, so lots of coverage, pouches, layers, etc. We are not fans of stripper armor. More concept art and basic models and such will be coming out in the next few weeks.
Awesome! So cloth wearers like Seoni or Sajan have the ability to show some skin at the cost of no protection, but armor wearers will actually be covered, with some minor overlap for light armor wearer like Amiri. Exactly what I was looking for.
It is incorrect for anyone to assert all males who have tried to roleplay a female player character are anything other than male and maybe human.Maybe.I have a good, but slightly whacky, friend who is genuinely convinced that the myths of Elves are based on a real historical race that died out and that she is partly descended from them.
On another note I really so not mind what people look like unless they start playing glittery emo vampires.
Thats not so unheard of an idea really. Throughout the ages many species have risen and died out totally without our knowledge, or perhaps it's better stated that some are aware of them, but choose to hide that knowledge from others.
Here is one such Race that skull was discovered in a burial mound at Sayre, Bradford County, Pennsylvania. But has since gone missing. The image is taken from this Site
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Sorry, haven't read the whole topic, but overall we are shooting for more realistic armor with actual coverage for both sexes. We're sticking with the overall aesthetic of Wayne Reynolds' art, so lots of coverage, pouches, layers, etc. We are not fans of stripper armor. More concept art and basic models and such will be coming out in the next few weeks.Awesome! So cloth wearers like Seoni or Sajan have the ability to show some skin at the cost of no protection, but armor wearers will actually be covered, with some minor overlap for light armor wearer like Amiri. Exactly what I was looking for.
Umm if by covered you mean boob windows armor that draws your eyes to boobs and extremely sexy outfits then yes.
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Umm if by covered you mean boob windows armor that draws your eyes to boobs and extremely sexy outfits then yes.Sorry, haven't read the whole topic, but overall we are shooting for more realistic armor with actual coverage for both sexes. We're sticking with the overall aesthetic of Wayne Reynolds' art, so lots of coverage, pouches, layers, etc. We are not fans of stripper armor. More concept art and basic models and such will be coming out in the next few weeks.Awesome! So cloth wearers like Seoni or Sajan have the ability to show some skin at the cost of no protection, but armor wearers will actually be covered, with some minor overlap for light armor wearer like Amiri. Exactly what I was looking for.
I mean covered for Medium and Heavy armor users. Light armor has some "boob windows" yes, but it is less protective than Medium or heavy armor so that is ok. Even with the bare midriff of Amiri or the small cleavage of Merisiel, it is still believable that the armor they are wearing will provide some protection from blows. Not a lot, but for a glancing hit that is all you need.
Cloth is where you get the really impractical stuff, but it is only worn by character who can't wear armor anyway.
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Cloth is where you get the really impractical stuff, but it is only worn by character who can't wear armor anyway.
Historically a cloth Gambeson was more effective against arrows and spears than chain and probably equal against maces. Not so good against swords and axes where chain excels. Where a Gambeson really sux is when you fall in the river and it gets waterlogged, generally you would drown.
Of course anyone with half a brain wore a Gambeson under the chain.
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Cloth is where you get the really impractical stuff, but it is only worn by character who can't wear armor anyway.
Historically a cloth Gambeson was more effective against arrows and spears than chain and probably equal against maces. Not so good against swords and axes where chain excels. Where a Gambeson really sux is when you fall in the river and it gets waterlogged, generally you would drown.
Of course anyone with half a brain wore a Gambeson under the chain.
In game terms, a gambeson would be padded armor and gives an armor bonus of +1.. Cloth is just clothes with no armor bonus.
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In game terms, a gambeson would be padded armor and gives an armor bonus of +1.. Cloth is just clothes with no armor bonus.
Cloth is where you get the really impractical stuff, but it is only worn by character who can't wear armor anyway.
Historically a cloth Gambeson was more effective against arrows and spears than chain and probably equal against maces. Not so good against swords and axes where chain excels. Where a Gambeson really sux is when you fall in the river and it gets waterlogged, generally you would drown.
Of course anyone with half a brain wore a Gambeson under the chain.
Cloth armor is highly underrated in RPG games. Besides Gambeson some cultures in the middle ages wore layers of silk under their armor, the silk might not completely stop an arrow but the arrow wouldn't puncture all the silk leaving a much cleaner wound. Ichcahuipilli the Aztec cloth armor was so good that some of the Spanish chose to wear it instead of their heavy plate armor, it all so helped them stay cooler. I think the problem with most RPG games is that the difference between no armored and padded armor is too small.
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^this I wholeheartedly agree with.I still remember my shock and horror in WoW when my female warrior (the "tank" for our group) got a piece of quest-reward plate that was (a) a BIG step up in armor and adds, meaning I really needed to equip it, and (b) basically bikini bottoms and thigh-high boots, while my friend's male paladin wore the same piece and was fully clothed. Bad enough for non-roleplayers; for roleplayers it can be not only frustrating but completely immersion-breaking as well. I agree that no one should have to equip that type of armor.
On the flip side, of course, no one should have to equip head-to-toe armor either. I can see barbarians in particular wearing minimal armor, and non-combat types like my bard might find showing some skin to be advantageous.
Ideally, I'd like to see a variety of armor skins available at roughly equivalent power levels. But at minimum, armor shouldn't be gendered; a piece's artwork should have the same representation on female as on male characters.
I think armor should have equal coverage for men and women for the same type of armor but they don't need to look like the same gender.
At least for the rich armor was all so frequently a fashion statement.https://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/medieval-armor-codpiece.jp g
https://armstreet.com/store/armor/female-armor-kit-made-of-blackened-spring -steel-dark-star
https://img3.exportersindia.com/product_images/bc-full/dir_125/3739557/gree k-royal-muscle-armor-cuirass-with-corinthian-helmet-2059622.jpg
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I seem to recall that GURPS ha for their pulp games, 'bulletproof nudity '. Wearing less clothing (say swimwear while brawling at a beach. Or pants/tanktop while fighting in the jungle) has various protective qualities. Maybe work some thing out for pathfinder
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Really necroing a thread from 2013 without batting an eye, huh?
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Really necroing a thread from 2013 without batting an eye, huh?
Didn't bat one eye. After seeing all the negative comments towards people starting redundant threads I decided to search the forums by subject, didn't even bother to look at the date as the subject I was searching for because it's not time-sensitive. Oops, I just remembered 2013 is that unlucky year we're not supposed to comment to. If you're interested in talking about realism in RPG armor I'd be happy to start a thread for you.
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Really necroing a thread from 2013 without batting an eye, huh?Didn't bat one eye. After seeing all the negative comments towards people starting redundant threads I decided to search the forums by subject, didn't even bother to look at the date as the subject I was searching for because it's not time-sensitive. Oops, I just remembered 2013 is that unlucky year we're not supposed to comment to. If you're interested in talking about realism in RPG armor I'd be happy to start a thread for you.
Heh, have we got just the right guild for you on this fine message-board. ;)
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Since it has a heartbeat...
Personally, I don't think you should be able to tell me how to game or vice versa. So, if I want my toon to be fully clothed and armored such that my eyes are the only fleshy bit you see, then I should be able to. Likewise, if I want my toon to go with nothing but bikini bottoms, a halter top, and thign-high stilletos I should be able to. Its called FANTASY for a reason. If I am playing a MMO and someone's outfit offends me, then I go adventure somewhere else. Everyone gets to have their fun!
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Going to agree there. Let the players choose how their characters are armoured, since they're the ones that think for their characters. If one character wants to have barely-there vapourwear armour, and another wants to wear a tank, then there shouldn't really be a third party deciding which is allowed to have their wish (provided that both still fit within the realm of decency, of course).
Both have their place, as well: A character completely bedecked in armour will probably want to look imposing and/or protect everything, while skimpy armour tends to suggest the character has an acrobatic style that depends on agility & doesn't want to be hampered by their equipment, and/or actively relies on seduction/charm techniques in battle. Both are valid character concepts in a fantasy setting, and both are mechanically fitting (since AC is a mix of evasion and protection).
This is especially true if we consider magic armour, which could in fact be extremely skimpy and rely on invisible deflection fields for protection.
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Maybe be covered by a magic cat like in the anime El Hazard that deflects attacks.
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Err, just to note, if we get into this line of topic though, it will eventually go into "But mr. nudist, I feel uncomfortable by your lack of clothing in my personal space!" ^_^;
There is also the monster hunter problemo of "its kinda annoying when all male armor don't show any skin and all female ones do". Like even when you have skimpy armor, its usually better for it to be equal opportunity for everyone who wants it :P