There should be a Dominatrix archetype for the paladin.
'Smite me!'
'No! You like it too much!'
'But I have sinned!'
'I'm not going to be fooled again like that one time with the wererat!'
Guess an Oath of Chastity paladin would hate these people.
EDIT: though a sin eater inquisitor might fit the bill quite nicely.
That's the beauty of tabletop RPGs, how open ended they are.I'll open *your* end.
Urrrrh, sorry. I'm sorry.
What's the name of that succubi from Goldeneye? As I recall, she did pretty well in grapples.
Xenia Onatopp
Thank you, I was hoping someone would take that and run with it.
That's the beauty of tabletop RPGs, how open ended they are.I'll open *your* end.
Thats the beauty of succubi... They're so open ended.
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Is "motorboating" a grappling move?
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would pillows be valid weapons for TWF ? i think a paladin of mercy could smite the succubus and join in with a pillow fight. unless its a devil's three way.
I think they're improvised weapons. Quick, someone work a Monk of the Empty Hand joke in here, my brain's blanking out on me and I can't come up with anything that works.
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Something like "If he's watching a succubus grappling, I doubt his hand is empty"?would pillows be valid weapons for TWF ? i think a paladin of mercy could smite the succubus and join in with a pillow fight. unless its a devil's three way.I think they're improvised weapons. Quick, someone work a Monk of the Empty Hand joke in here, my brain's blanking out on me and I can't come up with anything that works.
That'll do it all right.
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The other empty hand should probably grab a gym sock or something.
Special Qualities change shape (alter self, Small or Medium humanoid)
Disguise +19
I wonder if this special quality should give a bonus to grapple check and if so how much?
To instantly change shape while grappleing, adding or loosing limbs as needed or instantly shifting your stance or faceing for leverage.
would pillows be valid weapons for TWF ? i think a paladin of mercy could smite the succubus and join in with a pillow fight. unless its a devil's three way.
I'd think a monk could pull it off better. Empty Hand monk could swing it like a light hammer, club or quarterstaff depending on its size.
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would pillows be valid weapons for TWF ? i think a paladin of mercy could smite the succubus and join in with a pillow fight. unless its a devil's three way.I'd think a monk could pull it off better. Empty Hand monk could swing it like a light hammer, club or quarterstaff depending on its size.
Glance up a few posts. What are the odds of a Monk of the Empty Hand having an empty hand when he watches a succubus pillow fight? His hands are going to be full of... something.
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Wait, they are both female?
I wonder if this changes things. I should do some more research on my Internet. I wonder if they have any instructional videos on the subject...
EDIT: Oh my goodness! There are millions! How many scientists are there?
For some unknown reason I read this post in the voice of Stewie Griffin from Family Guy. Made it even funnier :-D
Edit: Up until now I was completely unaware of the very interesting and artistically pleasing things that turn up when you simply google the anmes of the female pathfinder iconics with safe search turned off...
I was really only trying to find out which of the names belongs to which character. At first.
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For some unknown reason I read this post in the voice of Stewie Griffin from Family Guy. Made it even funnier :-DEdit: Up until now I was completely unaware of the very interesting and artistically pleasing things that turn up when you simply google the anmes of the female pathfinder iconics with safe search turned off...
I was really only trying to find out which of the names belongs to which character. At first.
The internets is a bad, bad place......
I did find a few pieces of artwork that were appropriate for future tiefling characters though.
Grappling the succubus period; is an act of passion, as far as she is concerned. it is essentially giving away your levels for free. and even if she doesn't kiss you, she can still carress you, grope you, or whatever.
Grappling the succubus period; is an act of passion, as far as she is concerned. it is essentially giving away your levels for free. and even if she doesn't kiss you, she can still carress you, grope you, or whatever.
To spill over an argument from another thread into this one, do people believe a pinned succubus could use its level drain on the pinner?
Grappling the succubus period; is an act of passion, as far as she is concerned. it is essentially giving away your levels for free. and even if she doesn't kiss you, she can still carress you, grope you, or whatever.To spill over an argument from another thread into this one, do people believe a pinned succubus could use its level drain on the pinner?
RAW, it's kind of an ambiguous case. Supernatural ability, and the other party technically still has the grappled condition.
RAI, absolutely not. You're not tossling about grabbing for leverage and able to headbutt/kiss each other. The other participant presumably has a knee in the succubus' back and her arms locked in place behind her. The succubus is forced to fall back on just trying to escape the pin, and laying on the innuendo talk.
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Whale_Cancer wrote:
Do people believe a pinned succubus could use its level drain on the pinner?
Yes.
To a succubus being dominated ie pinned is an act of passion.
While supported by the rules, I would have required the succubus to make a grapple check in order to use the ability, as most other options available while being grappled require it.
He's asking for Pinned. Not grappled, for clarification.
Pinned: A pinned creature is tightly bound and can take few actions. A pinned creature cannot move and is denied its Dexterity bonus.. A pinned character also takes an additional –4 penalty to his Armor Class. A pinned creature is limited in the actions that it can take. A pinned creature can always attempt to free itself, usually through a combat maneuver check or Escape Artist check. A pinned creature can take verbal and mental actions, but cannot cast any spells that require a somatic or material component. A pinned character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level) or lose the spell. Pinned is a more severe version of grappled, and their effects do not stack.
While supported by the rules, I would have required the succubus to make a grapple check in order to use the ability, as most other options available while being grappled require it.
Only special grapple actions require such checks. Attacks do not, while spells require concentration checks.
Please note that pinned is a more severe version of grappled and has its own rules.
I would consider the energy drain ability a special grapple action.
That isn't supported by RAW. Note that you cannot perform special grapple actions while pinned.
Whale_Cancer wrote:
Do people believe a pinned succubus could use its level drain on the pinner?Yes.
To a succubus being dominated ie pinned is an act of passion.
of course a pinned succubus can use her level drain. even if she can't caress you with her arms, she can still use her tail to stimulate you. removing levels that way.
of course a pinned succubus can use her level drain. even if she can't caress you with her arms, she can still use her tail to stimulate you. removing levels that way.Whale_Cancer wrote:
Do people believe a pinned succubus could use its level drain on the pinner?Yes.
To a succubus being dominated ie pinned is an act of passion.
Are you saying this is supported by RAW, or merely how you would rule it?
Is a succubi's level drain automatic or triggered in sum fashon?
Energy Drain (Su) A succubus drains energy from a mortal she lures into an act of passion, such as a kiss. An unwilling victim must be grappled before the succubus can use this ability. The succubus's kiss bestows one negative level. The kiss also has the effect of a suggestion spell, asking the victim to accept another act of passion from the succubus. The victim must succeed on a DC 22 Will save to negate the suggestion. The DC is 22 for the Fortitude save to remove a negative level. These save DCs are Charisma-based.
No action is stated. By default, (Su)s are standard actions.
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Are you saying this is supported by RAW, or merely how you would rule it?of course a pinned succubus can use her level drain. even if she can't caress you with her arms, she can still use her tail to stimulate you. removing levels that way.Whale_Cancer wrote:
Do people believe a pinned succubus could use its level drain on the pinner?Yes.
To a succubus being dominated ie pinned is an act of passion.
the RAW only says "Act of Passion" and is thus very vague. the energy drain is a supernatural ability. and thus doesn't require a free hand or a somatic component. the use of the tail in place of the lips or hands is merely one of many flavors.
a typical humanoid has 1 head, 2 arms and 2 legs, a typical succubus has 1 head, 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 wings and a tail.
the succubus could also envelop you in her wings passionately and get the benefit as well. but the tail-job sounded more fitting for a succubus.
So you do not believe the pinned condition prevents physical actions other than attempts to escape?
So you do not believe the pinned condition prevents physical actions other than attempts to escape?
just as there are all sorts of things a pinned martial artist or wrestler can still perform. there are all sorts of passionate acts that can still be performed by a pinned succubus.
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So you do not believe the pinned condition prevents physical actions other than attempts to escape?just as there are all sorts of things a pinned martial artist or wrestler can still perform. there are all sorts of passionate acts that can still be performed by a pinned succubus.
Just for reference (it seems like you are talking about the English word 'pinned' and not the pinned condition; Martial Artists [as in the archetype], have no special ability to perform actions while pinned).
Pinned: A pinned creature is tightly bound and can take few actions. A pinned creature cannot move and is denied its Dexterity bonus.. A pinned character also takes an additional –4 penalty to his Armor Class. A pinned creature is limited in the actions that it can take. A pinned creature can always attempt to free itself, usually through a combat maneuver check or Escape Artist check. A pinned creature can take verbal and mental actions, but cannot cast any spells that require a somatic or material component. A pinned character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level) or lose the spell. Pinned is a more severe version of grappled, and their effects do not stack.
So you do not believe the pinned condition prevents physical actions other than attempts to escape?just as there are all sorts of things a pinned martial artist or wrestler can still perform. there are all sorts of passionate acts that can still be performed by a pinned succubus.Just for reference (it seems like you are talking about the English word 'pinned' and not the pinned condition; Martial Artists [as in the archetype], have no special ability to perform actions while pinned).
i was talking about the english word pinned, and the real world term martial artist (not the archetype)
Pinned: A pinned creature is tightly bound and can take few actions. A pinned creature cannot move and is denied its Dexterity bonus.. A pinned character also takes an additional –4 penalty to his Armor Class. A pinned creature is limited in the actions that it can take. A pinned creature can always attempt to free itself, usually through a combat maneuver check or Escape Artist check. A pinned creature can take verbal and mental actions, but cannot cast any spells that require a somatic or material component. A pinned character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level) or lose the spell. Pinned is a more severe version of grappled, and their effects do not stack.
nothing says a pinned creature can't use supernatural abilities since they are neither spells nor spell like abilities.
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As a lesbian, I am simultaneously offended and intrigued by this thread.
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I don't know....I can see a grappler managing a succubus-proof hold...
Attack from behind, grappler's arms up under the succubus' arms, reaching back and pulling those arms back, reach back under the succubus' wings, push them up, hands on the back of the succubus' head, holding that down, pin to the ground, knee on the back.
Completely non-sexy hold on the monk's part, and nothing the succubus can do on her part.
edit-Actually, coming up with pinning visuals and strategies for beings with unusual symmetries is kinda fun. That could be a thread all on its own...
Mikaze, what you are describing is a pin, not a grapple. As the mechanics of the game try to depict the flow of combat in a turn based system, the target of an attempted pin always has the time to try to reverse the attack or counter attack in other form, that is why you get a grapple one turn and can pin the next.
The best option for the druid would have been to continue her action the next turn and pin the succubus. At that point she would have been unable to lever drain the druid.
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I know, I saw that as a pin that has to be worked towards ina grapple. I still think the succubus needs to be in control of the grapple(or rather, her victim needs to not be) in order to level drain though.
Speaking of, it actually is tail-proof. While one leg's knee is kept on the back, the other leg's foot pins the tail.
Perfect lock!
As a lesbian, I am simultaneously offended and intrigued by this thread.
That's one reason I really want to do that story now. Hunting for that perfect spot that has one but not the other. (damn thing keeps growing too)
Umbral, can we get your opinion on this dilemma?
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The level drain of a succubus requires a standard action (so it is not triggered by being grappled; the succubus has to wait for her own turn, then take a standard action to drain as a supernatural ability).
There is also a requirement for an unwilling target to be grappled. According to the grapple rules, when an attempt to grapple is successful, both of the combatants gain the grappled condition; they are both grappled.
Pinned is, by RAW, a more extreme form of grapple, so a pinned creature is still also a grappled createre. The creature applying the pin does not gain the pinned condition, neither does he lose the grappled condition; the pinner is still grappled.
Her level drain also requires an 'act of passion'. Thanks to extensive research on the internet I've discovered that, among many, many other things, being grappled and/or pinned can be an act of passion, as can pinning another...erm...creature. It could be suggested by some that such acts are a perversion, only enjoyed by the sick and morally reprehensible. Does the succubus qualify on that score?
You betcha!
The succubus in a pin satisfies every condition required to level drain the grappling and/or pinning druid!
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There was a succubus who was pinned
by a female paladin who sinned
She took level loss
while looking quite boss
And said "I can't believe I've fallen again!"
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What if both grapplers were succubi? What if they were under the effects of a Grease spell? We need more details to make a definitive ruling.
If it were two succubi then I would rule that anyone in visual range must save versus Hypnotic Pattern. Luscious gyrating hypnotic patterns....
/drool
Thanks to extensive research on the internet I've discovered that, among other things, being grappled and/or pinned can be an act of passion, as can pinning another...erm...creature. It could be suggested by some that such acts are a perversion, only enjoyed by the sick and morally reprehensible. Does the succubus qualify on that score?
For some reason, when you typed that, the first thing I thought of was Commandant Lassard from the Police Academy movies...specifically, the scene where he is standing at the podium...lol
