
Tarantula |

Been wondering, if I use Beguiling Gift to hand off my familiar to an opponent, does it auto succeed with any touch spells I cast? If they are holding my caster, like a grapple, am I considered touching them...?
If the familiar was holding a charge, I would say yes, it goes off when they take it.
Grapple... not sure. I'd say that its "held" like a weapon in your hand, and so they are actively trying to not be touched by the hand. Standard action to make a touch attempt.

Tiny Coffee Golem |

Been wondering, if I use Beguiling Gift to hand off my familiar to an opponent, does it auto succeed with any touch spells I cast? If they are holding my caster, like a grapple, am I considered touching them...?
Wouldn't your held spell discharge once you cast another even if the familiar is the "toucher?"

Tarantula |

Murdock Mudeater wrote:Been wondering, if I use Beguiling Gift to hand off my familiar to an opponent, does it auto succeed with any touch spells I cast? If they are holding my caster, like a grapple, am I considered touching them...?Wouldn't your held spell discharge once you cast another even if the familiar is the "toucher?"
Yes... so beguiling gift someone to take the familiar and cast a quickened touch spell and designate the familiar as the toucher.

Tiny Coffee Golem |

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:Yes... so beguiling gift someone to take the familiar and cast a quickened touch spell and designate the familiar as the toucher.Murdock Mudeater wrote:Been wondering, if I use Beguiling Gift to hand off my familiar to an opponent, does it auto succeed with any touch spells I cast? If they are holding my caster, like a grapple, am I considered touching them...?Wouldn't your held spell discharge once you cast another even if the familiar is the "toucher?"
Seems like a lot of trouble, but I suppose it would work.

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Seems like a lot of trouble, but I suppose it would work.
I think there's a feat to cast at distance, when using touch via familiar.
Could also just offer the familiar as a "emotional support animal" to a sad person. Don't need to always charm for results.
On a related point, does the willing thing apply if you don't tell them what the spell is? Seems like you'd need a fair amount of trust to allow a touch spell to willingly affect your PC/NPC without being informed what the spell does. How do they know a harmless spell is harmless?
Familiar option would bypass this, if the subject was already touching the familiar. Might matter if trying to heal a distrustful person that likes kitties...

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In some religions, a paladin who lays hands upon himself too much can fall.
Murder scene conversation:
Character 1 : "So it looks like this paladin bled out over several minutes."
Character 2 : "How did he die? Couldn't he have just touched himself?"
Awesome Red-headed Character: "It looks like our victim died..." *puts on shades while looking into the sun awesomely* "...from a crisis of faith."
YEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Mosstone |
aaaaaand bump. I regret nothing.
Relatedly, if you touch yourself while casting Plane Shift and will yourself not to go to the seven hells, do you get shot off instantly? Or will you be a willing creature because you are intending to perform the action the end result of which would be new Devilland?

Lathiira |
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We're missing the really important question:
Can a succubus paladin grapple herself?
Then, could she pin herself? Do damage to herself? Tie herself up? Sounds like we need to take this back where it belongs....

Unbegreiflich |

holding your charge when you are going to touch yourself just leads to a short duration of usually caster level in rounds, so you'd have to be 10th level before you could hold off for 1 minute. Then there are those "personal" spells.
In most cases, if you don't discharge a touch spell on the round you cast it, you can hold the charge (postpone the discharge of the spell) indefinitely. You can make touch attacks round after round until the spell is discharged. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates.
Some touch spells allow you to touch multiple targets as part of the spell. You can't hold the charge of such a spell; you must touch all targets of the spell in the same round that you finish casting the spell.
so, you can hold a spell up to it's duration... and Disfiguring Touch has a duration of caster level days.
But if you touch multiple targets, it has to be done when you cast the spell...

Unbegreiflich |

clearly with Touch of Blindness or Disfiguring Touch, like your mom said, you could go blind or face get stuck like that.
and Shadow Projection gives you an incorporeal touch that ignores cover... I cast and touch myself...

Mosstone |
Be sure to always touch yourself before teleporting.
It's a cantrip, so outside of combat you have no excuse not to. Click it or ticket.

Quintain |

I think that you don't need a free hand to touch yourself. You are in constant contact with yourself by definition.
I don't think this is the case. If you are held between the time you cast your ....spell ...and discharge ... your ... spell, you can't touch yourself...for discharging purposes.
I feel dirty.

bitter lily |

When I think about you I touch myself...
I'm so bad, I hopped on here just to see the jokes. I knew they'd be good. Or bad, depending... ;)
But waah! I clicked on your url and got taken to a list of YouTube videos for dog food and Fallout 4. (Yeah, what can I say -- my husband researches Fallout, but I just obsess about the food our dogs get. :) )
So -- what was that? I wanna know!

Darksol the Painbringer |

La Chanteuse wrote:When I think about you I touch myself...I'm so bad, I hopped on here just to see the jokes. I knew they'd be good. Or bad, depending... ;)
But waah! I clicked on your url and got taken to a list of YouTube videos for dog food and Fallout 4. (Yeah, what can I say -- my husband researches Fallout, but I just obsess about the food our dogs get. :) )
So -- what was that? I wanna know!
The link is broken. I'll put up a fixed version here:
Now to pay for an Atonement spell for what horrible thing I have done...

bitter lily |

The link is broken. I'll put up a fixed version here:
** spoiler omitted **
Now to pay for an Atonement spell for what horrible thing I have done...
I could tell that the line had to be from a song, but I wasn't familiar with it. Given how truly, egregiously, over-the-top succubishous that video was, it just had to be appreciated fully in this context. So thank-you very much for the link. I'd join you in paying for that Atonement spell, but that might make it worse!

Unbegreiflich |

just a matter of taste... *ewww* I touched it with my tongue! 8^P
This technique would have been handy in season 6, season of the adamantine dance!!!

Cevah |

No one is asking the real questions here:
What kind of action is it to touch yourself?Say I cast Bull's Strength and hold the charge for a few rounds. What sort of action would it be to, um, discharge it on myself?
If it's a standard action, does that mean Paladins are the best class for touching themselves (as a swift action!)
The obvious reference here is the Michael Jackson signature move. Therefore it is a move action.
holding your charge when you are going to touch yourself just leads to a short duration of usually caster level in rounds, so you'd have to be 10th level before you could hold off for 1 minute. Then there are those "personal" spells.
Touch Spells and Holding the Charge wrote:In most cases, if you don't discharge a touch spell on the round you cast it, you can hold the charge (postpone the discharge of the spell) indefinitely. You can make touch attacks round after round until the spell is discharged. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates.
Some touch spells allow you to touch multiple targets as part of the spell. You can't hold the charge of such a spell; you must touch all targets of the spell in the same round that you finish casting the spell.
so, you can hold a spell up to it's duration... and Disfiguring Touch has a duration of caster level days.
But if you touch multiple targets, it has to be done when you cast the spell...
Actually, holding the spell is not limited to the spell's duration, but indefinitely. The other, however, is touch and go.
/cevah