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So of course I read the half elf section first.
- Does multitalented mastery also apply to prestige classes?
- Paragon Surge "and are treated as if you possessed any one feat for which you meet the prerequisites, chosen when you cast this spell." Does this mean that you meet the prerequisites before the +2 bonus or after? IOW, can an int 11 elven sorcerer take combat expertise?
- Should resilient reservor have the [Force] descriptor? "the spell automatically release the remaining magic of the reservoir in a concussive blast of force" (and should be 'releases')
Since most of us don't have it yet, you'll need to either post the full text of the relevant abilities, or just wait for more people to get it. Try again in a week?
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Well here's the language (trying not to quote huge chunks since it's before the 'street date')
All of your classes are considered favored classes. You gain either +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever you take a level in any class.
(emphasis mine)
So we already have the specific modifying the general (favored class says each character begins with a single favored class, half elf has two classes, this feat makes it any number of classes) so I guess the question then becomes "Does the specific (All of your classes) modify the general (Prestige classes can never be a favored class)?"
If you're hit point hunting, then toughness is a better feat. If you're skill point hunting, then human spirit (tops out at 4 skill points, huh?) is a trap.
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So of course I read the half elf section first.
You and me both.
Does multitalented mastery also apply to prestige classes?
I wondered the exact same thing. But the wording isn't even slightly ambiguous, so I think it does.
Also, given that it costs a feat, it almost *has* to apply to Prestige Classes -- how many other situations are you going to have where you'll have enough levels in a third class for it to be worth a feat? Even with Prestige classes, you're trading a feat for 10 skill ranks/hit points spread over 10 levels -- that's not overpowered at all. Heck, it's not even as good as Toughness.
It does instantly move Half-Elves to the top of the list for most Prestige classes though.
I don't think prestige classes count. Consider:
Each character begins play with a single favored class of his choosing—typically, this is the same class as the one he chooses at 1st level. Whenever a character gains a level in his favored class, he receives either + 1 hit point or + 1 skill rank. ... Prestige classes (see Prestige Classes) can never be a favored class.
Half-elves choose two favored classes at first level and gain +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever they take a level in either one of those classes.
All of your classes are considered favored classes. You gain either +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever you take a level in any class.
From the base rule, you choose one class (excluding prestige classes). Half elves replace "one" with "two", but that doesn't change anything else. The multitalented feat replaces "two" with "all", but that still doesn't change anything else. Therefore, prestige classes are still never a favored class, even when all your regular classes are.
There are so many ways they could have written it differently if they intended for prestige classes to now count, including just adding the phrase "including prestige classes" in there. The lack of any such indication means that they either didn't consider it or they deliberately didn't include it. In the first case we might get errata, but in either case, as written, PrCs still don't count.
I would say it doesn't because it specifies "classes". Prestige classes are not "classes" they're "prestige classes".
What I am wondering about is: If you got that feat, can you still select other favored class bonuses than 1hp or 1sp?
The text only states hit- and skill points.
For some class/race combos that could be much weaker than just having one favored class.
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I would say it doesn't because it specifies "classes". Prestige classes are not "classes" they're "prestige classes".
Except that if they intended to exclude Prestige Classes, they should have said 'base classes.'
The way I understand the taxonomy:
All Classes = core classes, base classes and prestige classes
Base Classes = all classes excluding prestige classes
Core Classes = all classes in the core book
No, they use "base classes" to refer to all classes from books that aren't core. Alchemist, Oracle, Magus...
Personally, I'm waiting to see how people react to the Wild Caller.
This, under the Advanced Player's Guide heading, makes a distinction between Base Classes and Core Classes, in the way that Bobson said. Whether or not that is intended to brand the classes with a specific name, I don't know, but the links -are- separate, and they use the criteria of source book to define their differences.
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This, under the Advanced Player's Guide heading, makes a distinction between Base Classes and Core Classes, in the way that Bobson said.
Not really. A "core class" is a further subcategory of a "base class" - specifically, a base class from the CRB. But they're base classes too. Read it again with those definitions in mind and you'll find it fits perfectly.
What am I supposed to be reading? There's just two separate links. One of them even saysThis, under the Advanced Player's Guide heading, makes a distinction between Base Classes and Core Classes, in the way that Bobson said.Not really. A "core class" is a further subcategory of a "base class" - specifically, a base class from the CRB. But they're base classes too. Read it again with those definitions in mind and you'll find it fits perfectly.
The six new base classes presented in this book are equivalent in power to the 11 core classes in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.
I don't know of anywhere that "base class" is used to encompass "core class". Everything just says they're separate-but-equal. They both fall under the grouping of "class", as do prestige classes. But (to return to the topic), prestige classes are specifically excluded from the classes that you can be favored in.
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Does multitalented mastery also apply to prestige classes?
Has there been something official yet?
There seems to be a confusion which trups which.The "prestige classes can never be favored classes" or the you gain the bonus every time you level in any class.
So general or specific?
Necrobump.
We had a similar discussion in our group, about prestige classes and this feat. So, can one make prestige classes favorite classes with this feat, what's the word on this side of Golarion?
Well, I believe this feat allows to treat any class levels as favored class.
Rules state:
Multitalented Mastery (Half-Elf)
You are adept at numerous disciplines.Prerequisites: Character level 5th, half-elf, multi-talented racial trait.
Benefit: All of your classes are considered favored classes. You gain either +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever you take a level in any class. Apply these bonuses retroactively for all class levels that have not yet gained one of these bonuses.
Normal: Half-elves with the multi-talented racial trait have two favored classes.
Characters that take levels in prestige classes do not gain any favored class bonuses for those levels.
Firstly, these rules do not contradict (and if they did feat would be the ruling one). This feat does not allow prestige class to become a favored class. You merely consider it to be such. Therefore if you have 8 levels in fighter (you favoured class) and five in stalwart defender you consider stalwart defender to be fighter levels for favoured class purposes.
Secondly, feat states "any class" and I found in d20pfsrd common terms.
Classes represent chosen professions taken by characters and some other creatures. Classes give a host of bonuses and allow characters to take actions that they otherwise could not, such as casting spells or changing shape. As a creature gains levels in a given class, it gains new, more powerful abilities. Most PCs gain levels in the core classes or prestige classes, since these are the most powerful. Most NPCs gain levels in NPC Classes, which are less powerful.
Please do not confuse "class" with "base class", which is
A class that progresses from level 1-20.
So there is literally no reason why the feat wouldn't apply to prestige class.
Additionally, a character doesn't gain so much with this feat. In fact I believe it to be underpowered as for instance Toughness would give one much more hit points.
So what other think?