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Moro wrote:Any Deadpool movie will be "outside" the Avengers universe, due to Fox having the license (as part of their all mutants license).Not sure how credible or accurate this list is, but it looks as if we will be getting Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 in 2013, and then possibly another Hulk, Cap 2, Ant Man, and Deadpool in 2014.
The whole X-Universe as well as Spiderman, the FF, Daredevil, Ghost rider and possible Blade (I forget who owns that) are all licensed to other movie companies so we will never see them with the Avenger heroes in the movies until Disney/Marvel gets the rights back which is next to impossible.

Xabulba |

Whedon's schedule is full? What is he working on?Xabulba wrote:Mazra wrote:After the success of the Avengers, if Marvel isn't putting an Avengers 2 in the forefront of their coming plans then they are crazy. 2015 is not only reasonable, they need to just book it as a done deal.
Later,
Mazra
I think it has more to do with Iron-Man 3 being paid for and it's
pre-production already begun. They also now have to wait for Whedon's schedule to clear now.
Dr. Horrible 2, In Your Eyes (a Sci-Fi/supernatural romance) and a version of Shakespeare’s Much Ado About Nothing.

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Freehold DM wrote:Whedon's schedule is full? What is he working on?Dr. Horrible 2, In Your Eyes (a Sci-Fi/supernatural romance) and a version of Shakespeare’s Much Ado About Nothing.
Although Much Ado About Nothing is pretty much done; all that is left is a lil editing and then promotion. And unless he hops on Dr. Horrible 2 very quickly, that will have to wait til next summer when NPH is on summer break from HIMYM.

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Did anyone else get this Harry Dean Stanton reference?
** spoiler omitted **
Doesn't explicity answer your question but this article is a pretty good read of how HDS got involved and why...
Badass Digest: Joss Whedon Explains Why Harry Dean Stanton Got To See Mark Ruffalo Naked

April Bowen |
Spoiler:that she was able to dupe Loki - the GOD OF MISCHIEF - into revealing his plans. The problem with that scene is the dialogue. There is no reason for the conversation to go that way. Even if Loki was furious, arrogant, and desperate, his response to her final comment is a total non sequitur to artifically make BW look awesome and useful. And BW's lead-up to it only makes sense if she already suspects his plan, in which case she doesn't need to wait for the response (except for dramatic tension).
Now, I disagree that she guessed it right. I notice everyone assumes that, but...
Loki's not a sucker, he's just overconfident. And in the middle of break down.

Caineach |

Jal Dorak wrote:** spoiler omitted **Now, I disagree that she guessed it right. I notice everyone assumes that, but...
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Loki's not a sucker, he's just overconfident. And in the middle of break down.** spoiler omitted **
One of the things I like about this movie is that 2 people can come away from it with completely valid interpretations that are significantly different. It didn't spend the time to explain it all to you, just show you enough to let you draw your own conclusions.

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After watching Avengers:EMH this weekend, I'd love to see Beta Ray Bill in Thor II. You could use that arc, he ends up with Stormbreaker, then lead him into a 'Guardians of the Galaxy' movie, with Scuttlebutt being the base of operations.
(Plus, wouldn't it be kind of awesome to see a panoramic fight of Thor, Bill and Sif and Hemidal fighting fire giants from all sides?)
I assume that Firelord is also off limits for Marvel Movies due to the Fantastic Four?
A GotG movie consisting of
- Beta Ray Bill
- Sif
- Quasar (female version) or Moondragon
- Nova (Richard Ryder)
- A fifth character (Adam Warlock is a natural*, though Her would work to make a strong female character, Adam with a sex change basically)
would be interesting. I'd want a balance in male/female characters. If the 5th character is female, then you could kill Phyra and have the quantum bands fall to earth, where Project Pegasus gets them. Or Adam/Her loses the soul Gem at the end of the movie, hinting at the Infinity Gauntlet.
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April Bowen |
April Bowen wrote:Jal Dorak wrote:** spoiler omitted **Now, I disagree that she guessed it right. I notice everyone assumes that, but...
** spoiler omitted **
Loki's not a sucker, he's just overconfident. And in the middle of break down.** spoiler omitted **
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One of the things I like about this movie is that 2 people can come away from it with completely valid interpretations that are significantly different. It didn't spend the time to explain it all to you, just show you enough to let you draw your own conclusions.
Loki is known for setting up win/win scenarios, so yeah.
Plan A
Plan B

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Find Avengers unrealistic Fantasy. Iron Man I can live with because Its powered Armour that might be invented tomorrow by some genius...and is more of a Transhumanist tale. Thor is a God and Gods belittle the Human experience.
His presence undermines the respectability of the Avengers as a viable human story. And between that and the Fact they are up against Loki...I think Actual Humans fighting a God is like an ant biting my hand. If I didn't care about them I would just rip their heads off and flick them aside. That's why Stark, Black Widow and Captain America are ants - sure Iron Man is a super ant but an ant none the less. That leaves Thor and Hulk as the only realistic Opponents for a Loki fight.
And Black Widow? I mean really? Little miss SHIELD Agent doesn't strike me as anything more than eye-candy for the 'Sexy Ninja'-loving geeks. Loki would impregnate her with a look and dump her in his harem of ex-girl friends.

havoc xiii |

You apparently missed the part where Loki and Thor are both just aliens that in ancient times thought.
"Hey guys I got this great idea what if we tell people we are gods?"
And technically it was the Hulk and Thor who actually fought Loki.
Edit: Though I'm not sure if you can consider what the Hulk did to Loki as actually fighting...

Cleric of Caffeine |

I've been a major Avengers fan since I was about 8 years old, and I was so happy with the film. You've got to give Whedon major props for taking on such a project & smacking it out of the park the way he did.
That is in no way to say it's a perfect film. Just a really entertaining blockbuster.
I thought Cap needed an epic moment. Everyone else had "their time to shine", and I kept waiting for Caps. (Though I dig it when he lays out the battle plan.)
Also, I'm curious as to what hit the editing room floor. Seemed to me like some weirdness in a couple of the single character scenes just post Helicarrier. Did anyone else think so?

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yellowdingo wrote:Find Avengers unrealistic Fantasy.What, you were looking for verisimilitude?
Next thing, someone's going to tell me that Pathfinder contains unrealistic fantasy.
What Can I say? Avengers is Fantastic Dross that doesn't have a place outside a comic - I like Iron Man because it Does.

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Urizen wrote:What Can I say? Avengers is Fantastic Dross that doesn't have a place outside a comic - I like Iron Man because it Does.yellowdingo wrote:Find Avengers unrealistic Fantasy.What, you were looking for verisimilitude?
Next thing, someone's going to tell me that Pathfinder contains unrealistic fantasy.
All the words are in a language I know but the order you put them in is foreign, and distressing.

Grey Lensman |
I find Iron Man to have less realism than Thor and Loki. Thor and Loki are aliens with access to technology thousands of years beyond anything we have ever seen, which requires less suspension of disbelief than a guy who has an near-infinite clean energy reactor in his chest, that was built out of scrap parts in a cave.

Grey Lensman |
If it makes you feel better the "clean" energy reactor was built outside of the cave... :D
I enjoyed the movies, and plan on getting them for my blu-ray collection eventually. Just pointing out the oddity of finding the gods unrealistic fantasy but the ARC reactor not to be. The gods are an integral part of the source material, and leaving them out would be harmful to the story.

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I'll say this: I find the complete implausibility of characters like Batman to be more jarring than the outright impossibliity of characters like Thor or Spider-Man.
Let's take a look at Batman....
He apparently has near infinite amounts of money. At least enough where he can affort to purchase millions and millions of dollars worth of equipment, and keep said purchases utterly secret.
One wonders how he can keep up the facade of a playboy billionaire, given that he apparently spends ALL of his free time training / fighting crime / memorizing useless shit in case the Riddler has a riddle that uses said useless shit.
Not to mention the fact that he survived Darkseid's Omega Sanction for no other goddamn reason than the fact that he's Batman.
Pretty much I'm going with Spidey being far less ridiculous. Yeah, his powers are impossible, but at least he's a actual human person underneath the mask. Batman's the most ridiculous Mary Sue that's ever gained widespread acceptance.

Orthos |
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And Black Widow? I mean really? Little miss SHIELD Agent doesn't strike me as anything more than eye-candy for the 'Sexy Ninja'-loving geeks. Loki would impregnate her with a look and dump her in his harem of ex-girl friends.
Think that says more about you than it does about the Avengers.

John Kretzer |

I don't buy into the whole "they're aliens" bs- it was cooked up by recent marvel writers. I have no problem with with them being gods, but flawed ones, as all gods in mythology certainly are.
Ummm....no. Unless you call Stan Lee a 'recent marvel writer'.
They and every other 'god' in the Marvel universe are interdimensional aliens always have been.

Freehold DM |

Freehold DM wrote:I don't buy into the whole "they're aliens" bs- it was cooked up by recent marvel writers. I have no problem with with them being gods, but flawed ones, as all gods in mythology certainly are.Ummm....no. Unless you call Stan Lee a 'recent marvel writer'.
They and every other 'god' in the Marvel universe are interdimensional aliens always have been.
source me on this? I don't recall Stan lee saying this?

thejeff |
thejeff wrote:[citation needed]havoc xiii wrote:What's unclear?thejeff wrote:Huh?Define "interdimensional aliens"? Or "gods", for that matter.
At some points the Asgardians (and other gods) have been creatures created and powered by Earth's spiritual energy.
Damned if I'm digging through 30 years of Thor to cite issues.
From what I remember, one example was from right after the Celestial storyline (~Thor 300?) when Thor sought power from all the other pantheons to resurrect the dead Asgardians. IIRC, there was a mention of humanity's belief in them no longer being strong enough to keep them alive. There was also a story dealing with Gaia and the origin of all earth's gods.
Different writers have treated them differently.
As I said, it may also depend on your definition of "gods" and "interdimensional aliens".

Freehold DM |

I have *very* vague memories of this, which is why I didn't but the alien jazz. I also remember people thinking they were just delusional, powerful, immortal until killed mutants from another dimension. Maybe that's what they meant by alien?
Orthos wrote:thejeff wrote:[citation needed]havoc xiii wrote:What's unclear?thejeff wrote:Huh?Define "interdimensional aliens"? Or "gods", for that matter.
At some points the Asgardians (and other gods) have been creatures created and powered by Earth's spiritual energy.
Damned if I'm digging through 30 years of Thor to cite issues.
From what I remember, one example was from right after the Celestial storyline (~Thor 300?) when Thor sought power from all the other pantheons to resurrect the dead Asgardians. IIRC, there was a mention of humanity's belief in them no longer being strong enough to keep them alive. There was also a story dealing with Gaia and the origin of all earth's gods.
Different writers have treated them differently.
As I said, it may also depend on your definition of "gods" and "interdimensional aliens".

Freehold DM |

Come now, that last bit was uncalled for.
TriOmegaZero wrote:Wait, people are taking yellowdingo seriously?
What's wrong with you all?
No Not taking him seriously at all..we all know he is the biggest troll on the boards..
Picks ups Dingo's limp body and casually tosses it in the trash.

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A lot of the movie-verse is based on tropes of the Ultimates line of comics, especially in terms of costuming but also in terms of some bits of origin stories. I'm no Ultimates universe expert so I couldn't run down the list for you, but I'm sure the intarwebz will provide if you are interested in researching the point.