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Matthew Morris wrote:
Mikaze wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Mikaze wrote:

Saw it today.

<---- My face during and after.

My god..what has Whedon DONE to you, Mikaze?!?!

Now I know I can't see this movie. The foul sorceries within will turn me into a naked drow woman!!!!

one of us

one of us

srsly though, it was good. And the big Whedon thing I was worried about didn't actually happen.

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

Ah, but it wasn't a

Spoiler:
throwaway death! ;)

It didn't feel like a callous throw-it-in deal and actually felt like a death scene which, while sad, I could still see as a good death scene for that particular character.

Plus, while he may have gotten punked at the start, he still went out like a champ!

I can only wish certain other Whedon-killed characters got sendoffs that good. now i'm sad again :(


Mikaze wrote:

Thanks for the recommendations DM_a_D! Also,

DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
(especially with the Guardians of the Galaxy movie coming out).

There's a GotG movie in the works?!

Oh man, I would give good money to see Moondragon, Groot, and motha@#$%in' ROCKET RACCOON on the big screen.

Offtopic: Did you catch the last epsiode the Avengers Cartoon? It featured the Guardians of the Galaxy (with Rocket Raccoon).


Not to rain on a parade, but I just don't think GotG is main stream enough to appeal to a wide enough audience.


I expect they will market Guardians of the Galaxy as a sci-fi movie rather than a comic book one.


John Kretzer wrote:
Mikaze wrote:

Thanks for the recommendations DM_a_D! Also,

DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
(especially with the Guardians of the Galaxy movie coming out).

There's a GotG movie in the works?!

Oh man, I would give good money to see Moondragon, Groot, and motha@#$%in' ROCKET RACCOON on the big screen.

Offtopic: Did you catch the last epsiode the Avengers Cartoon? It featured the Guardians of the Galaxy (with Rocket Raccoon).

that's awesome!! Is it still on NetFlix?


Grey Lensman wrote:
I expect they will market Guardians of the Galaxy as a sci-fi movie rather than a comic book one.

Sorry, I meant the characters are not main stream enough. If it does get made, I expect it might end up being a Pixar type animated movie, in 3D, and designed for kids.

Scarab Sages

Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

With the teaser at the end of The Avengers, it could be a lead up to Guardians of the Galaxy, since the present incarnation is made up of people who oppose

Spoiler:
Thanos.


Jal Dorak wrote:

Also ** spoiler omitted **

Well, now I do! That would be great fun, actually.


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My fiance, my roommate and I went to see Gears of War the movie...I'm sorry, "The Avengers" last night and by the time it was half-over with we were embarrassed to be there and scratching our heads as to why everyone liked it so much. It was a pretty bad superhero movie. It wasn't nearly as good as The Dark Knight or even Watchmen. Out of the movies we've seen in theaters last week it was easily the worst, which is saying something considering the other two were Lockout and The Raven.

The dialogue was goofy. The only actor who could deliver his lines well was Robert Downey Jr. (who barely brings some salvation to the film by being dead sexy as always). There was a significant lack of foul language from Sam Jackson, which is what he is known for actually doing well (other than scooping up B-Movie scripts left and right); that is like making a movie starring Eddie Murphey, Russel Brand, or Chris Rock and not letting them speak a word. Whedon seems to have been taking lessons in movie-making from Michael Bay (when he wasn't playing the Gears of War triology) since it shared his love of rapid, shakey camera movements as a substitute for decent combat-coreography and destroying things I held dear in my childhood. The casting was terrible, with the exception of R.D. Jr. (as mentioned above). Captain America's part could've been played by Nameless Mook #413 since it amounted to pretty much nothing (speaking of the Captian, why include a hood on the costume if it is going to be off the entire movie). The ending seemed forced. Many moments in the movie were completely rediculous. The villian for the movie was a terrible choice; focusing on Thor's enemy while most of the movie amounts to Iron Man 3, since he is on screen more than anyone else. I want my few hours and my $5.00 back. It gets a D; C- tops. I have no urge to see this nonsense ever again and fine Joss Whedon 5 years before he is allowed to make films again as they only seem to get worse and worse (except for Dr. Horrible because N.P.H. can save anything). I'm sure I missed quite a bit, but I'm done venting about this trash for now.

Silver Crusade

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Ringtail wrote:

My fiance, my roommate and I went to see Gears of War the movie...I'm sorry, "The Avengers" last night and by the time it was half-over with we were embarrassed to be there and scratching our heads as to why everyone liked it so much. It was a pretty bad superhero movie. It wasn't nearly as good as The Dark Knight or even Watchmen. Out of the movies we've seen in theaters last week it was easily the worst, which is saying something considering the other two were Lockout and The Raven.

The dialogue was goofy. The only actor who could deliver his lines well was Robert Downey Jr. (who barely brings some salvation to the film by being dead sexy as always). There was a significant lack of foul language from Sam Jackson, which is what he is known for actually doing well (other than scooping up B-Movie scripts left and right); that is like making a movie starring Eddie Murphey, Russel Brand, or Chris Rock and not letting them speak a word. Whedon seems to have been taking lessons in movie-making from Michael Bay (when he wasn't playing the Gears of War triology) since it shared his love of rapid, shakey camera movements as a substitute for decent combat-coreography and destroying things I held dear in my childhood. The casting was terrible, with the exception of R.D. Jr. (as mentioned above). Captain America's part could've been played by Nameless Mook #413 since it amounted to pretty much nothing (speaking of the Captian, why include a hood on the costume if it is going to be off the entire movie). The ending seemed forced. Many moments in the movie were completely rediculous. The villian for the movie was a terrible choice; focusing on Thor's enemy while most of the movie amounts to Iron Man 3, since he is on screen more than anyone else. I want my few hours and my $5.00 back. It gets a D; C- tops. I have no urge to see this nonsense ever again and fine Joss Whedon 5 years before he is allowed to make films again as they only seem to get worse and worse (except for Dr. Horrible because N.P.H. can save anything)....

What is this? I don't even...


*wipes away tears of joy*


*Bows*


Sounds of a Raccoon being eaten

Mmm, Raccoon's are also crunchy and tasty.


Also; while cute at first, the Black Sabbath t-shirt gag got old really fast. Appearently wardrobe design couldn't be bothered to actually do their job.


Successful Troll is Successful wrote:
*wipes away tears of joy*

No way man, Ringtail was way too obvious and the subject is not a good one, noone is going to really believe you can dislike that movie this much. 3/10 for the one guy that got flabbergasted but thats all, noone is going to rage.

It would've been better if you said it was medium but not all that good, a nice blockbuster but you didn't see what the fuzz is about. That would be more believable and people would pop up like crazy to point everything they think is good about the movie and would get really mad as you dismissed their points. Now wait till the new Batman movie and try again.


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Pfft. I'm going to say the new Batman movie is awesome no matter how much it sucks.

EDIT: And that performance was no worse than the second-rate acting in Avengers. Though I don't blame the actors for their delivery, they had a terrible script and Joss Whedon to deal with. I'd be disheartened as well. ;P


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The movie reminded me of why I liked comic books in the first place. (That is to say, I enjoyed myself and would see it again.)


Lilith wrote:
The movie reminded me of why I liked comic books in the first place. (That is to say, I enjoyed myself and would see it again.)

word


Successful Troll is Successful wrote:
*wipes away tears of joy*

*Wholeheartedly agrees with troll-brethren*

Shadow Lodge

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Ringtail wrote:
Pfft. I'm going to say the new Batman movie is awesome no matter how much it sucks.

Ah, well if your'e a Nolan worshiper, that explains it.

Scarab Sages

Doug OBrien wrote:
Jal Dorak wrote:

Also ** spoiler omitted **

Well, now I do! That would be great fun, actually.

Saw it again; it now seems not to be the case as I'm pretty sure all of the aliens have that extra thumb.

The Exchange

They offed Shield Agent Coulson? Say it ain't so.

Grand Lodge

Absolutely loved Avengers. I was worried it wouldn't be up to my expectations since I've been burned out on comic book movies for the longest time, but it was cool, funny, and respectful enough to the original comic I grew up reading, so I was happy.

We'll probably go see it a second time once the crowds die down some.

Scarab Sages

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yellowdingo wrote:
They offed Shield Agent Coulson? Say it ain't so.

Spoiler:
They did, but in an interview the actor insisted that we shouldn't discount Coulson from future movies (and it might be possible Fury lied about his death but it wasn't disclosed, he did lie about something related to it.)

yellowdingo wrote:
They offed Shield Agent Coulson? Say it ain't so.

Whedon tax. Somebody gotta die.

Spoiler:
Faked or temporarily at least.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

feytharn wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
They offed Shield Agent Coulson? Say it ain't so.

** spoiler omitted **

I'm still betting...

Spoiler:
LMD. Especially after Avengers Assemble #3, while not in movie canon, it's... interesting that Maria Hill pulls out the same gun from an armory that includes a few LMDs. Also remember, we've seen Jim Hammond in Captain America, so LMDs are not outside the realm of possibility.

Aside, how confusing is it that Fox and Disney can share Wander and Pietro? And what is the status of Jim Hammond (and Toro) for movies?


Kthulhu wrote:
Ringtail wrote:
Pfft. I'm going to say the new Batman movie is awesome no matter how much it sucks.
Ah, well if your'e a Nolan worshiper, that explains it.

Nolan? No. Bale? Yes. Makes me forgive casting Morgan Freeman as anything but an untalented corpse.


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Ringtail wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Ringtail wrote:
Pfft. I'm going to say the new Batman movie is awesome no matter how much it sucks.
Ah, well if your'e a Nolan worshiper, that explains it.
Nolan? No. Bale? Yes. Makes me forgive casting Morgan Freeman as anything but an untalented corpse.

"Grumbles and comically forces out some dialogue in a voice so stupidly hoarse as to be unintelligible."

Bale is overrated.


Ringtail wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Ringtail wrote:
Pfft. I'm going to say the new Batman movie is awesome no matter how much it sucks.
Ah, well if your'e a Nolan worshiper, that explains it.
Nolan? No. Bale? Yes. Makes me forgive casting Morgan Freeman as anything but an untalented corpse.

I'd be curious to know what movie you did find awesome...

Ultradan

Lantern Lodge RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32

So, Newsies is one of your favorite movies then? =P

Santa Fe
Are you there?
Do you swear you wont forget me
If I found you would you let me come and stay
I aint getting any younger
And before my dying day
I want space!
Not just air!
Let them laugh in my face
I don't care!
Santa Fe
I'll be there


Ringtail wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Ringtail wrote:
Pfft. I'm going to say the new Batman movie is awesome no matter how much it sucks.
Ah, well if your'e a Nolan worshiper, that explains it.
Nolan? No. Bale? Yes. Makes me forgive casting Morgan Freeman as anything but an untalented corpse.

O.o

This explains much.


Ultradan wrote:
Ringtail wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Ringtail wrote:
Pfft. I'm going to say the new Batman movie is awesome no matter how much it sucks.
Ah, well if your'e a Nolan worshiper, that explains it.
Nolan? No. Bale? Yes. Makes me forgive casting Morgan Freeman as anything but an untalented corpse.

I'd be curious to know what movie you did find awesome...

Ultradan

Jersey Girl

EDIT: Nope. Can't type it without smiling.


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yellowdingo wrote:
They offed Shield Agent Coulson? Say it ain't so.

Yep, killed off one of the only two entertaining characters in the movie. I feel Whedon has put me here before. *Shakes fist at sky* "WHEDON!!!"

Seriously, how does Whedon keep finding work?!


Orthos wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
They offed Shield Agent Coulson? Say it ain't so.

Whedon tax. Somebody gotta die.

** spoiler omitted **

Another drop in a sea of blood. Whedon is ghoulish this way. Still, I look forward to cheering at his demise...


Legions of fans conditioned to remember choice bits and forget inconveniences like alien movies.

Ringtail wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
They offed Shield Agent Coulson? Say it ain't so.

Yep, killed off one of the only two entertaining characters in the movie. I feel Whedon has put me here before. *Shakes fist at sky* "WHEDON!!!"

Seriously, how does Whedon keep finding work?!


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Ringtail wrote:
Seriously, how does Whedon keep finding work?!

Compare number of people in this thread sharing your complaint (2 that I know of, 5 max) versus number of people saying the movie was awesome (everybody else).

Multiply by appropriate factors to reach total exposed population.

Problem answered. Next question.

Freehold DM wrote:
Legions of fans conditioned to remember choice bits and forget inconveniences like alien movies.

Haven't seen them so can't weigh in on this one way or another.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Legions of fans conditioned to remember choice bits and forget inconveniences like alien movies.

If I held a grudge for every movie someone was involved in that I didn't like, I would never be able to go to the movies. I sure as hell wouldn't be able to watch any classic Bond after Connery made Highlander 2. Some movies work, some don't. Avengers does and does so really well.

I hope they don't fall back on the LMD switcheroo. It would be in-genre for anything involving SHIELD, including the Avengers, but it would still suck. If they brought him back AS an LMD and that became a point of minor friction between Stark and Fury, that would be pretty cool.

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Not to feed Freehold's obsession:

Imdb wrote:
Joss Whedon has commented on his dissatisfaction with the movie. Fans had speculated that the finished article deviated from his original script in some fatal manner, however he put such rumors to rest. His dialogue, action and plot were essentially intact. However he had written with a playful, tongue-in-cheek tone, which didn't work when the director decided to "play it straight". Eventually the Betty and her crew became the prototypes for Whedon's Firefly, which captured the tone he had aimed for in this movie.

cite (edit: I don't know how Alien vs Firefly would have worked.)

Also from the site

imdb wrote:
Joss Whedon was unhappy with everything about the film. He later commented in 2005: "It wasn't a question of doing everything differently, although they changed the ending; it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They said the lines but they said them all wrong. And they cast it wrong. And they designed it wrong. And they scored it wrong. They did everything wrong they could possibly do. That's actually a fascinating lesson in filmmaking. Because everything they did reflects back to the script or looks like something from it. And people assume that if I hated it then they'd changed the script...but it wasn't so much they changed it, they executed it in such a ghastly fashion they rendered it unwatchable.

But this seems to contradict that, so YMMV:

imdb wrote:
Director Pierre Jeunet was given license to change the script as much as he wanted, and the final film is substantially different than Joss Whedon's original script. Characters and situations were merged, simplified or removed, and the overall tone was made more fanciful and less realistic. Things changed or removed include: An Asian assassin called St. Just (pronounced "San-Jhoost") was original part of the Betty's crew. Johner was described as being more of a crazy, psychopathic character. After the underwater sequence, the characters were then forced to climb up a 50 story lift-shaft, with aliens attacking them. After the Chapel scene, there was an action sequence in the ship's "farm", including a moment were the crew discovers the army has been growing cannabis. The Newborn alien was originally extremely deadly, the size of a Queen alien, and there was little emotional connection between it and Ripley. The final action sequence took place on Earth, ending with the surviving characters (including Ripley) deciding to stick together.

Edit: Per This interview it's not his fault.

(That said, I'd like Clark Gregg back. Agent Coleson had just a certain 'calm in the face of adversity' that I loved)

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

What movie are you talking about?


Hnn, Whedon may not be able to work with people in the way he was forced to on alien.

Matthew Morris wrote:

Not to feed Freehold's obsession:

Imdb wrote:
Joss Whedon has commented on his dissatisfaction with the movie. Fans had speculated that the finished article deviated from his original script in some fatal manner, however he put such rumors to rest. His dialogue, action and plot were essentially intact. However he had written with a playful, tongue-in-cheek tone, which didn't work when the director decided to "play it straight". Eventually the Betty and her crew became the prototypes for Whedon's Firefly, which captured the tone he had aimed for in this movie.

cite (edit: I don't know how Alien vs Firefly would have worked.)

Also from the site

imdb wrote:
Joss Whedon was unhappy with everything about the film. He later commented in 2005: "It wasn't a question of doing everything differently, although they changed the ending; it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They said the lines but they said them all wrong. And they cast it wrong. And they designed it wrong. And they scored it wrong. They did everything wrong they could possibly do. That's actually a fascinating lesson in filmmaking. Because everything they did reflects back to the script or looks like something from it. And people assume that if I hated it then they'd changed the script...but it wasn't so much they changed it, they executed it in such a ghastly fashion they rendered it unwatchable.

But this seems to contradict that, so YMMV:

imdb wrote:
Director Pierre Jeunet was given license to change the script as much as he wanted, and the final film is substantially different than Joss Whedon's original script. Characters and situations were merged, simplified or removed, and the overall tone was made more fanciful and less realistic. Things changed or removed include: An Asian assassin called St. Just (pronounced "San-Jhoost") was original part of the Betty's crew. Johner was described as being more of a crazy, psychopathic
...


Look; all I'm saying is that there was a four-hundred gazillion dollar air ship with a hulk-cage and nobody thought to include bullet-resistant glass.

Also, again on casting, while Cobie Smulders was probably the strongest actress in The Avengers, she didn't seem to fit the part. Because when I think action movies, oh yeah, I think Robin Sparkles. I know there were people getting shot at, but all I was hearing was: "Let's :go to the mall...TODAY!"

The Exchange

Matthew Morris wrote:
feytharn wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
They offed Shield Agent Coulson? Say it ain't so.

** spoiler omitted **

I'm still betting...

** spoiler omitted **

Aside, how confusing is it that Fox and Disney can share Wander and Pietro? And what is the status of Jim Hammond (and Toro) for movies?

Oh god I forgot about 'Nick Fury Vs. SHIELD'. That would be awesome in scale and conspiracy.

Liberty's Edge

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Ringtail wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Ringtail wrote:
Pfft. I'm going to say the new Batman movie is awesome no matter how much it sucks.
Ah, well if your'e a Nolan worshiper, that explains it.
Nolan? No. Bale? Yes. Makes me forgive casting Morgan Freeman as anything but an untalented corpse.

But... But... Are you posting from opposite land? Morgan Freeman!?

Liberty's Edge

pres man wrote:

I really liked it, there was one thing that did disappointment me...

** spoiler omitted **

Well, the first thing that popped into my head was

Spoiler:
Independence Day

Liberty's Edge

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Ringtail wrote:
Look; all I'm saying is that there was a four-hundred gazillion dollar air ship with a hulk-cage and nobody thought to include bullet-resistant glass.

Having seen it twice, I'm not sure what you're referring to here. Was it when the helicopter engaged the Hulk? Because, you know, helicopter autogun rounds are a little stronger than bullets. I'm sure you're not referring to the actual cage itself, which Thor only cracked with Mjolnir.

Quote:
Also, again on casting, while Cobie Smulders was probably the strongest actress in The Avengers, she didn't seem to fit the part. Because when I think action movies, oh yeah, I think Robin Sparkles. I know there were people getting shot at, but all I was hearing was: "Let's :go to the mall...TODAY!"

But is that on the casting director, or on you? If NPH was in the movie and acting his ass off, would you have been unable to see anyone but Barney?


Jeremiziah wrote:
But is that on the casting director, or on you? If NPH was in the movie and acting his ass off, would you have been unable to see anyone but Barney?

Has to be on him. I've never seen whatever movie he's referring to, so I didn't get any vibe of valley-girl mall-walker from her from any previous parts.

Shadow Lodge

Jeremiziah wrote:
Ringtail wrote:
Also, again on casting, while Cobie Smulders was probably the strongest actress in The Avengers, she didn't seem to fit the part. Because when I think action movies, oh yeah, I think Robin Sparkles. I know there were people getting shot at, but all I was hearing was: "Let's :go to the mall...TODAY!"
But is that on the casting director, or on you? If NPH was in the movie and acting his ass off, would you have been unable to see anyone but Barney?

I doubt the casting director has much to do with it other than agreeing to Whedon's request to give her a role. He's evidentally wanted to work with her for years, and she was his first choico for Wonder Woman back when he was involved with the aborted WW movie.


Jeremiziah wrote:
But is that on the casting director, or on you? If NPH was in the movie and acting his ass off, would you have been unable to see anyone but Barney?

This is actually one of the few things I was expecting but didn't get much of - the Whedon cameo gallery. I saw Victor (Enver Don'tknowhislastname) from Dollhouse as one of the cops. I would have died, just DIED, if the post-post credits scene included Captain Hammer and Doctor Horrible. Silliness aside, I really did expect to see some other past Whedon go-to's as cameos sprinkled throughout the film.

Scarab Sages

Dal Selpher wrote:
Jeremiziah wrote:
But is that on the casting director, or on you? If NPH was in the movie and acting his ass off, would you have been unable to see anyone but Barney?
This is actually one of the few things I was expecting but didn't get much of - the Whedon cameo gallery. I saw Victor (Enver Don'tknowhislastname) from Dollhouse as one of the cops. I would have died, just DIED, if the post-post credits scene included Captain Hammer and Doctor Horrible. Silliness aside, I really did expect to see some other past Whedon go-to's as cameos sprinkled throughout the film.

Well, Alex Denisoff voiced 'the other'


feytharn wrote:
Well, Alex Denisoff voiced 'the other'

Hah! I didn't realize that. I wonder if Joss' brother made it into the movie as an extra on the SHIELD carrier or something.

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