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Silver Crusade

Wolfthulhu wrote:
feytharn wrote:

And the movie was great, easily the best of the avengers franchise yet.

** spoiler omitted **

Is THAT what he said? :D

The audience was laughing so hard I only caught the last word.

At my showing, the audience was laughing so hard we missed the whole line.


There were definitely a lot of 'laugh out loud' funny moments throughout the film. It definitely kept people engaged.


Apostle of Gygax wrote:
Wolfthulhu wrote:
feytharn wrote:

And the movie was great, easily the best of the avengers franchise yet.

** spoiler omitted **

Is THAT what he said? :D

The audience was laughing so hard I only caught the last word.

At my showing, the audience was laughing so hard we missed the whole line.

My audience applauded. Laughed yes, but full-on applauded.

And yes that's what he said.

Scarab Sages

Orthos wrote:
Apostle of Gygax wrote:
Wolfthulhu wrote:
feytharn wrote:

And the movie was great, easily the best of the avengers franchise yet.

** spoiler omitted **

Is THAT what he said? :D

The audience was laughing so hard I only caught the last word.

At my showing, the audience was laughing so hard we missed the whole line.

My audience applauded. Laughed yes, but full-on applauded.

And yes that's what he said.

It was funny, but

Spoiler:
Hulk would have been singing a different tune if Loki had any magic besides glamered armor. Kind of irked me.

Saw it today, it was AWESOME!!!

Grand Lodge

Really enjoyed it.

For whomever said Captain America was underutilized, I think it was sort of integral to his plot.

Spoiler:
Stark calls him out for being useless since they have two super-geniuses, the world's strongest being, and a Norse god. Cap does seem pretty useless comparatively, until we get to the end and see what good Cap can do.

I didn't miss Natalie Portman at all. Not that I don't enjoy Natalie Portman as an actress; on the contrary, I usually loveher. But 'eye candy' is really unnecessary in a good movie, and even so, Scarlett Johannson and Cobie Smulders both had well-developed and important characters who also capably filled any 'eye-candy' quotient needed for a comic book film. (For the ladies, of course, we have the Chris's. And Hulk runs around half-naked most of the time---that's hot, right ladies?) I asked myself, if Natalie Portman's character in this film, what would she have to do? And the answer is . . . "Not much."

I was wary of Whedon directing, myself. He is very hit-or-miss with me. But I enjoyed every moment of The Avengers, and that is despite being underwhelmed by both Iron Mans and absolutely loathing Thor.

It was a little long, but not too bad. Besides, you need the extra time when dealing with this many characters. I'd still give it an A-.

Silver Crusade

I took the family to watch it yesterday and they loved it. My 3 year old son loved it until the middle and fell a sleep before the end. I'm not a fanboy so I truely just enjoyed the movie. Isn't the character Cobie Smulders suppose to turn in to Ms. Marvel.

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brent norton wrote:
Isn't the character Cobie Smulders suppose to turn in to Ms. Marvel.

No. Cobie Smulders played Agent Maria Hill, Amazingly I might add. The agent you are thinking is Carol Danvers, who (as far as I can tell) was not in the movie.


EntrerisShadow wrote:

Really enjoyed it.

For whomever said Captain America was underutilized, I think it was sort of integral to his plot.

** spoiler omitted **

I didn't miss Natalie Portman at all. Not that I don't enjoy Natalie Portman as an actress; on the contrary, I usually loveher. But 'eye candy' is really unnecessary in a good movie, and even so, Scarlett Johannson and Cobie Smulders both had well-developed and important characters who also capably filled any 'eye-candy' quotient needed for a comic book film. (For the ladies, of course, we have the Chris's. And Hulk runs around half-naked most of the time---that's hot, right ladies?) I asked myself, if Natalie Portman's character in this film, what would she have to do? And the answer is . . . "Not much."

I was wary of Whedon directing, myself. He is very hit-or-miss with me. But I enjoyed every moment of The Avengers, and that is despite being underwhelmed by both Iron Mans and absolutely loathing Thor.

It was a little long, but not too bad. Besides, you need the extra time when dealing with this many characters. I'd still give it an A-.

Hm. I didn't care for Thor much myself. I found it to be little more than beefcake.

Dark Archive

As of today The Avengers set a new opening weekend box officer number breaking 200 mil in the US on the 2nd day which beats the last Harry Potter film opening weekend total by about 30 mil. Plus in 8 days it has made 440 mil over sea's. I think with these kind of numbers it is a safe bet to say we will be seeing the Avengers 2 and likely pretty soon.

box officer numbers for those curious.

I am glad the movie is doing well. I am hoping this gets us a Black Widow movie. Plus get Joss more work, I am a Joss fan and I have to agree he can be hit and miss. The stuff he does I like I tend to love and then he does some pretty meh stuff too.

Silver Crusade

Dark_Mistress wrote:
I am glad the movie is doing well. I am hoping this gets us a Black Widow movie.

This. I loved the sequence where Natasha was tied up by the bad guys, seemed to be in a very bad spot, and yet was the one who had everything under control. I also loved how Coulson was just like everything was business as usual listening to her whoop up on a couple of creeps right in the middle of a phone call. A Black Widow movie that was more James Bond and less super heroics would be awesome.

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just got back. I get the feeling I'll need to see it again to catch all the interplay. I'm surprised no one has mentioned three things.

Spoiler:
Did anyone else notice the two ravens flying by when Thor and Loki were having their brotherly talk? Also, Does anyone else find it funny that Loki returned to Asgard at a time when Odin may be primed for another Odinsleep, given the power that Loki implies he spent?

Also I don't count Agent Coleson out just yet. A) We know Nick Fury already lied once about him and B) Tony's little throw away line to him on the phone. "You have reached Tony Stark's Life Model Decoy..."

And Hulk Sucker-punch!

Silver Crusade

Spoiler:
I did not notice the raven's and I had not thought about the Loki thing. I have considered that since the Cube is a gateway that it may be the key to restoring the Bifrost to functionality. As far as Coulson goes, the actor is in talks to play him in Iron Man 3 so I think that there is something to the LMD idea. Just one more reason for the team to distrust Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D.

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

Saw it last night. Our audience was laughing repeatedly at the funny stuff... but it was almost always funny IN CHARACTER, not just jokes to be jokes.

I actually liked how the film DIDN'T try to stuff in every side character and love interest from every other movie. The movie didn't need it, and it's also true to the Avengers book. While there are plenty of romantic subplots within the Avengers, you rarely see solo-book characters showing up in the team book. It happens, but not very often, and in situations much more like the Pepper Potts scenes.

I loved Mark Ruffalo's take on Bruce Banner, not as the depressed/this sucks Banner (Eric Bana) or the angry/scared Banner (Ed Norton), but more as the jaded, world-weary Banner who has come to terms with who and what he is. I also liked them playing up his scientist side; his byplay with Stark was very funny.

As for the mid-credits stinger, revealing

Spoiler:
Thanos
as the REAL bad guy, I turned to my buddy and said "Oh HELL YEAH!"

Awesome film. Tons of fun.

FWIW, I rewatched Iron Man 2, Captain America, and Thor this past week, and I found that all of them held up very well. IM2 I had been kind of meh on when I watched it the first time, but I liked it a lot better on rewatching it (Favreau's commentary was also interesting to listen to, though alas IM3 apparently is not going with the Mandarin as its villain). Cap and Thor I loved the first time around and watching them again didn't diminish my opinion for them.

Silver Crusade

Saw it today.

<---- My face during and after.

This movie is fun.

Spoiler:
smiles "I'm always angry." One-hit KO's

DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
I saw this movie last Friday and I have to say it's the best superhero movie in a long time. I'm so glad we've gone beyond simply deconstructing superheroes into letting them just be awesome.

This was a big part of what I loved about it. After at least a full on decade of Marvel's heroes being broken down, derailed, turning on each other, and that setting just generally getting more crapsack, it was great to see these characters act more like the characters I loved back when I still read the comics.

Spoiler:
Though I have to say, if I was going to sneak some gaming into on duty hours on a ship that high tech, I'd go for something a bit more than Galaga. Final Fight at least.

Silver Crusade

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Mikaze wrote:

Saw it today.

<---- My face during and after.

This movie is fun.

** spoiler omitted **

DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
I saw this movie last Friday and I have to say it's the best superhero movie in a long time. I'm so glad we've gone beyond simply deconstructing superheroes into letting them just be awesome.

This was a big part of what I loved about it. After at least a full on decade of Marvel's heroes being broken down, derailed, turning on each other, and that setting just generally getting more crapsack, it was great to see these characters act more like the characters I loved back when I still read the comics.

** spoiler omitted **

If you're looking for a fun Marvel comic then I highly recommend the current Avengers run and Avenging Spider-Man.

@Mathew Morris:

Spoiler:
I totally noticed the two Ravens on my second viewing of the film and was like. Oh that's a wonderful touch.

Reportedly the first cut of the movie was 3 hours long, and Whedon plans to have half an hour of deleted scenes for the DVD/Blu Ray release.

Hopefully we get an Ant Man movie before we hit Avengers 2, because while the secret End Credits Stinger character

Spoiler:
Thanos
is a good choice (especially with the Guardians of the Galaxy movie coming out). Ant Man and Wasp need to be in the Avengers so we can start paving the way for none other than Ultron, the greatest Avengers villain of all time (except perhaps for Kang the Conquerer).

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

Ultron would definitely be a winner as a movie villain, and that would require the Pyms--it would seem like a big stretch to take a villain that thoroughly tied with a particular hero and just switch his origin to some other techie hero (like Stark or Banner). I love Ultron as a character, and think he'd be a great character to foreshadow during a movie that introduces Hank, then he evolves into the next picture.

That said, I'm even more stoked about the spoilered villain, just because I like that character so much. To me, he is the O.G. of Marvel's Magnificent Bastards, plots within plots, sometimes even willing to help the heroes against some more psycho kind of evil, but always rolling around to benefit himself and his next plan.

All I can say is that it's a good time to be a comic book movie fan! Things have come a mighty long way from when I was a kid in the 70s.


To each his own I guess, I have never really found Ultron all that interesting. As much as I tire of the whole Loki-Thor thing, at least Loki has style. Ultron is a suped up dalek, "Exterminate!"


Loki has to fight smart. Watching him do that was a lot more interesting than the usual villain vs team MO of "I am so powerful your attacks do nothing to me!" (until you learn an important lesson about teamwork and then suddenly the attacks do something)

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

Ultron is a super-dalek, but he also has tons of sicko daddy issues, oedipal complexes, self-reinvention and evolution abilities... the real issue is how far they go with his 'machine consciousness' idea from later books, which makes him functionally unkillable because his mind just transfers to an essentially infinite sequence of new bodies or systems.

If they just ran Ultron as a killer robot, then yes he'd be boring, but I think he has more to him than that. YMMV.


Just got back from it....I have to ay it definitrly lived up to the hype that has been building since the scene at the end of the credits of Iron Man.


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saw it opening day- think the movie was awesome. cant wait to see whats next.

as for spoilers- did anyone else notice this......

:
when Stark and Banner were talking about The Hulk, their faces were being reflected in the "screen" between them. when they showed banners reflection- it was actually The HULK!!


Mikaze wrote:

Saw it today.

<---- My face during and after.

My god..what has Whedon DONE to you, Mikaze?!?!

Now I know I can't see this movie. The foul sorceries within will turn me into a naked drow woman!!!!


Freehold DM wrote:

My god..what has Whedon DONE to you, Mikaze?!?!

Now I know I can't see this movie. The foul sorceries within will turn me into a naked drow woman!!!!

I only associate the bad side of Whedon's influence with Firefly. I've seen too many crazies who come close to violence when you refuse to agree with thier belief that it is the greatest science fiction show of all time.

However, the Avengers was great, you should see it.

And I still refuse to give Firefly another chance.


I don't really know how they could have done a better Avengers movie. Objectively there were some issues, especially near the front end, but I laughed and appreciated the ride so much, I'd definitely say it was the best time I've had in a theater in a long ass time, and definitely a film that was made better by appreciating alongside the rest of the house. A lot of laughs, action that was fairly relentless, but somehow nicely punctuated with the laughter and plot points that it somehow didn't get old for me.

I never thought they'd be able to pull it off :)


Grey Lensman wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

My god..what has Whedon DONE to you, Mikaze?!?!

Now I know I can't see this movie. The foul sorceries within will turn me into a naked drow woman!!!!

I only associate the bad side of Whedon's influence with Firefly. I've seen too many crazies who come close to violence when you refuse to agree with thier belief that it is the greatest science fiction show of all time.

However, the Avengers was great, you should see it.

And I still refuse to give Firefly another chance.

ill see it. I can't mock it appropriately if I don't.

Shadow Lodge

Grey Lensman wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

My god..what has Whedon DONE to you, Mikaze?!?!

Now I know I can't see this movie. The foul sorceries within will turn me into a naked drow woman!!!!

I only associate the bad side of Whedon's influence with Firefly. I've seen too many crazies who come close to violence when you refuse to agree with thier belief that it is the greatest science fiction show of all time.

However, the Avengers was great, you should see it.

And I still refuse to give Firefly another chance.

Wait a minute - there are people who do not think it is the greatest science fiction show of all time?


Asphere wrote:

Wait a minute - there are people who do not think it is the greatest science fiction show of all time?

No show that can't even manage to stay on the air for a single season gets to contend for that title.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

Jason Nelson wrote:

Saw it last night. **snippity snip**

I loved Mark Ruffalo's take on Bruce Banner, not as the depressed/this sucks Banner (Eric Bana) or the angry/scared Banner (Ed Norton), but more as the jaded, world-weary Banner who has come to terms with who and what he is. I also liked them playing up his scientist side; his byplay with Stark was very funny.

**snippity snipp**

LOL@ Bruce Banner being jaded!!!!!!!

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

I wondered if Whedon read PAD's last issue of the Incredible Hulk. That's kind of what he did in Rick's Flashback in that issue. Bruce would jump off a building, the Hulk would be the one who landed, etc. Between Bruce's method of dealing with the Hulk and the transformation sequence against the Leviathan at the end, he did seem to be somewhat in 'control.

Spoiler:
Not to mention the sucker punch of Hulk on Thor. Everyone laughed at that.

Of course I liked the 'Professor' Hulk as a unified mind, instead of another persona as they ret-conned.

Spoiler:
It does make me wonder waht Hulk would have done if Tasha hadn't shot him. And I assume everyone saw the A was going to survive on Stark Tower?


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Greatest action movie I've ever seen.


Grey Lensman wrote:
Asphere wrote:

Wait a minute - there are people who do not think it is the greatest science fiction show of all time?

No show that can't even manage to stay on the air for a single season gets to contend for that title.

grey Lensman, here is the biggest fistbump I can sum up.. fistbump

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2D, 3D or IMAX 3D? In other words, is it worth paying double to see it in IMAX??

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@Freehold and Grey Lensman- When you show the episodes out of order and preempt them almost every other week for sports or reality show #12345, its hard to build a following. And when you've sprung for an essentially lifesize replica of the ship's decks and CGI, you want to see instant returns. Firefly isn't an instant gratification show. You watch the characters build and grow, and then look back and realize how awesome the show really is.
/Browncoat rant

Avengers was absolutely phenomenal. I'm planning on going to see it again sometime, this time in IMAX. Hopefully I'll pick up on some of the things I missed the first go-around. ^_^

Grand Lodge

The Avengers really worked. Whedon did a masterful job putting so many characters together without really leaving anyone out. And yes, Hawkeye was well represented. I still don't get the Whedon hate. Whedon did create one of the greatest works of fiction in my lifetime (Firefly). But I want beat you up over it! Personally, I was stoked when I heard Whedon was at the helm. Avengers was a fantastic movie. The second best movie I have seen this year. (The best was John Carter.)

Later,

Mazra

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Sunday morning will be my Avengers time. I still hate crowds.

We tried that. Our Sunday morning 10AM showing was almost sold out. :)


Charles Scholz wrote:

2D, 3D or IMAX 3D? In other words, is it worth paying double to see it in IMAX??

Personally, I think I'd prefer to just see it twice. :D


I saw this movie on Saturday.
I was very pleased with it.

On a side note, they showed a trailer for the SpiderMan reboot, that actually showed the sarcasm Peter Parker displays in the comics.
I hope I'm as happy with that movie as I was with Avengers.

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Martin Sheaffer wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Sunday morning will be my Avengers time. I still hate crowds.
We tried that. Our Sunday morning 10AM showing was almost sold out. :)

As is I'd preordered my ticket, and was glad I did so. I got there a half hour early, and there was a line. The theater was almost completely full by the time the movie started. I even moved over to allow a family to sit around me (I wasn't going over to the very edge of the row out of kindness.)

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

Asphere wrote:
Grey Lensman wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

My god..what has Whedon DONE to you, Mikaze?!?!

Now I know I can't see this movie. The foul sorceries within will turn me into a naked drow woman!!!!

I only associate the bad side of Whedon's influence with Firefly. I've seen too many crazies who come close to violence when you refuse to agree with thier belief that it is the greatest science fiction show of all time.

However, the Avengers was great, you should see it.

And I still refuse to give Firefly another chance.

Wait a minute - there are people who do not think it is the greatest science fiction show of all time?

I watched the first 3 or 4 eps on a friend's DVD set and just never got around to watching the rest. It wasn't bad. I liked it fine but I guess I just don't get the super-ultra-mega-awesome love for it.

I went into this movie with no real feelings for or against Joss Whedon. I just wanted an awesome supers movie and I got it!

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

SmiloDan wrote:
Jason Nelson wrote:

Saw it last night. **snippity snip**

I loved Mark Ruffalo's take on Bruce Banner, not as the depressed/this sucks Banner (Eric Bana) or the angry/scared Banner (Ed Norton), but more as the jaded, world-weary Banner who has come to terms with who and what he is. I also liked them playing up his scientist side; his byplay with Stark was very funny.

**snippity snipp**

LOL@ Bruce Banner being jaded!!!!!!!

SOMEBODY got the joke about ol' Jade-Jaws! :)


Matthew Morris wrote:

I wondered if Whedon read PAD's last issue of the Incredible Hulk. That's kind of what he did in Rick's Flashback in that issue. Bruce would jump off a building, the Hulk would be the one who landed, etc. Between Bruce's method of dealing with the Hulk and the transformation sequence against the Leviathan at the end, he did seem to be somewhat in 'control.

** spoiler omitted **

Of course I liked the 'Professor' Hulk as a unified mind, instead of another persona as they ret-conned.
** spoiler omitted **

I miss Mr. Fixit.

Grand Lodge

Jason Nelson wrote:


I watched the first 3 or 4 eps on a friend's DVD set and just never got around to watching the rest. It wasn't bad. I liked it fine but I guess I just don't get the super-ultra-mega-awesome love for it.

OFF TOPIC on Firefly.

Unfortunately when Firefly first ran on Friday nights of Fox, I was only able to catch a couple of episodes. I liked it, but didn't think anything special about it. Later the full 10 or so episode ran on Syfy. I happened to catch just about all of them. Then I saw Serenity. I was major league hooked. Joss Whedon is a genius with an ensemble cast. (He didn't do too bad with the Avengers either.) The interaction between the crew, the constantly on edge situations, the frontier like environments made this unlike anything before. Each time I watched something else would hit me, whether a bit of dialog, a look on an actors face, or just the bazaar settings. Looking back, it is one of the best 10 episodes ever produced for TV. YMMV. Add the incredible Serenity made on a shoe string budget, and you have some of the best fiction on film in my life time. Again YMMV.

Some of the episodes never made it to Fox. There were some edgy stuff. Fox was the wrong venue for Firefly. It would have done much better on HBO or Starz.

Later,

Mazra

Dark Archive

Mazra wrote:
Jason Nelson wrote:


I watched the first 3 or 4 eps on a friend's DVD set and just never got around to watching the rest. It wasn't bad. I liked it fine but I guess I just don't get the super-ultra-mega-awesome love for it.

OFF TOPIC on Firefly.

Unfortunately when Firefly first ran on Friday nights of Fox, I was only able to catch a couple of episodes. I liked it, but didn't think anything special about it. Later the full 10 or so episode ran on Syfy. I happened to catch just about all of them. Then I saw Serenity. I was major league hooked. Joss Whedon is a genius with an ensemble cast. (He didn't do too bad with the Avengers either.) The interaction between the crew, the constantly on edge situations, the frontier like environments made this unlike anything before. Each time I watched something else would hit me, whether a bit of dialog, a look on an actors face, or just the bazaar settings. Looking back, it is one of the best 10 episodes ever produced for TV. YMMV. Add the incredible Serenity made on a shoe string budget, and you have some of the best fiction on film in my life time. Again YMMV.

Some of the episodes never made it to Fox. There were some edgy stuff. Fox was the wrong venue for Firefly. It would have done much better on HBO or Starz.

Later,

Mazra

Off Topic:
Actually there was 14 episodes, 11-13 was never shown on fox but was shown on syfy when they was allowed to air the series.
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EntrerisShadow wrote:

Really enjoyed it.

For whomever said Captain America was underutilized, I think it was sort of integral to his plot.

** spoiler omitted **

I think that is what Whedon was trying to accomplish, but in my view he failed because

Spoiler:
Captain America is not essential to the final battle. They would have been fine without him. Yes, he saves some civilians which is core to his character, but so did everyone else (indirectly). The one moment that he was absolutely suited for - jumping on a high-speed glider, flying through the city while fighting, and then taking out the doomsday device - was given to Black Widow (draw your own conclusions why, but see my next point). Plus, given all his "lost a soldier" comments earlier, it would have been more dramatic for him to have to possibly kill Tony.
Apostle of Gygax wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
I am glad the movie is doing well. I am hoping this gets us a Black Widow movie.
This. I loved the sequence where Natasha was tied up by the bad guys, seemed to be in a very bad spot, and yet was the one who had everything under control. I also loved how Coulson was just like everything was business as usual listening to her whoop up on a couple of creeps right in the middle of a phone call. A Black Widow movie that was more James Bond and less super heroics would be awesome.

My problem with BW, as mentioned above, was that she was as much of a Super Soldier as Captain America (except maybe the first Hulk scene). I bought her duping a crooked arms dealer and taking out his cadre of thugs while tied up. I didn't buy the final battle. I also didn't buy

Spoiler:
that she was able to dupe Loki - the GOD OF MISCHIEF - into revealing his plans. The problem with that scene is the dialogue. There is no reason for the conversation to go that way. Even if Loki was furious, arrogant, and desperate, his response to her final comment is a total non sequitur to artifically make BW look awesome and useful. And BW's lead-up to it only makes sense if she already suspects his plan, in which case she doesn't need to wait for the response (except for dramatic tension).

I know it seems like I'm hard on BW here, but it's not her fault, it's Whedon's.

Slightly off-topic - all through the last battle I was thinking "how cool would it be if Marvel owned all of their movie rights?" I mean, we could have seen Punisher blasting away alongside Captain America, or Spider-Man swinging in to save Iron Man at the last minute.

Shadow Lodge

Grey Lensman wrote:
Asphere wrote:

Wait a minute - there are people who do not think it is the greatest science fiction show of all time?

No show that can't even manage to stay on the air for a single season gets to contend for that title.

Oh by "greatest" you mean "most successful". I guess Justin Bieber is one of the greatest musicians of all time.


Jal Dorak wrote:
EntrerisShadow wrote:

Really enjoyed it.

For whomever said Captain America was underutilized, I think it was sort of integral to his plot.

** spoiler omitted **

I think that is what Whedon was trying to accomplish, but in my view he failed because ** spoiler omitted **

Apostle of Gygax wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
I am glad the movie is doing well. I am hoping this gets us a Black Widow movie.
This. I loved the sequence where Natasha was tied up by the bad guys, seemed to be in a very bad spot, and yet was the one who had everything under control. I also loved how Coulson was just like everything was business as usual listening to her whoop up on a couple of creeps right in the middle of a phone call. A Black Widow movie that was more James Bond and less super heroics would be awesome.
My problem with BW, as mentioned above, was that she was as much of a Super Soldier as Captain America (except maybe the first Hulk scene). I bought her duping a crooked arms dealer and taking out his cadre of thugs while tied up. I didn't buy the final battle. I also didn't buy ** spoiler omitted **...

Captain America:

The point of Cap in the last battle was not so much of him being a Super-soldier and kicking butt, in which case he was totally outclassed by Thor, Iron man, and the Hulk, but his grasp of tactics and strategy. You go here, you there, you there. Fall back and form a perimeter, move the civilians out through the subway, and Hulk, Smash! That is where Captain America really shines through.

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GM Wulfson wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Captain America is also the moral counter-weight to Tony Stark. He also proves to be the "team leader the group can follow" whereas Nick Fury is the "leader everyone is wary of trusting." As the series progresses, Cap will be less of a "man out of his time" and should start to be the glue that holds a group of powerful personalities together.

-Skeld

PS:

Spoiler:
I wasn't much of a Captain America fan before his movie last year.


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Asphere wrote:

Oh by "greatest" you mean "most successful". I guess Justin Bieber is one of the greatest musicians of all time.

Straw is on sale again, I see.

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GM Wulfson wrote:
The point of Cap in the last battle was not so much of him being a Super-soldier and kicking butt, in which case he was totally outclassed by Thor, Iron man, and the Hulk, but his grasp of tactics and strategy. You go here, you there, you there. Fall back and form a perimeter, move the civilians out through the subway, and Hulk, Smash! That is where Captain America really shines through.

I got that quite readily, I just don't think it makes good cinema (at least in the context of a superhero movie). Dramatically, it doesn't matter what CA does because in the context of the action on screen the bad guys are seemingly limitless, omnipresent, and without a cohesive strategy themselves. Why couldn't Cap be a great leader AND contribute physically? I'm sure Whedon could have devised some sort of maguffin of which Cap could take tactical advantage...

Skeld wrote:
Captain America is also the moral counter-weight to Tony Stark. He also proves to be the "team leader the group can follow" whereas Nick Fury is the "leader everyone is wary of trusting." As the series progresses, Cap will be less of a "man out of his time" and should start to be the glue that holds a group of powerful personalities together.

There were scenes that showed this to good effect. Cap is always the first to act, to take up the fight. Nice work there. I would have liked for Cap to do something no-one else would consider, for the others to rally behind. For example

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while Tony's sacrifice at the end was a huge character moment, it's the type of thing that Cap should be doing
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