In Mordenkainen's Magnificent Emporium there is a passage about a Pathfinder story item and it throws in a bunch of stuff like "torturous passages, bleak, empty expanses" and things like that.
Isn't it enough that we have to read the edition wars online? Now we have to put up with them in our splatbooks!
I sincerely doubt it is a jibe at Paizo, but what item is the passage about?
It's in the section about story items. Just items that you can base quests around. No stats, no anything. The item is called simply "Pathfinder"
I think it's quite far into conspiracy-theory-land if you consider an item, called a Pathfinder, that shows you the path through an obstacle, to be some sort of jab at Paizo or the Pathfinder RPG.
If anything, it sounds more like a compliment to Paizo than a jab at them.
Pathfinder
Story Obstacle: A torturous labyrinth, a deadly dungeon, or a trackless wilderness stands between the characters and their hidden destination.
Property: This item reveals an invisible path through or past the obstacle. It could constantly reveal the path to its bearer, or it could show the way once per hour or once per day.
Form: Amulet, goggles, helm, lantern.
From the text, it actually looks like they praised Pathfinder instead.
From the text, it actually looks like they praised Pathfinder instead.Pathfinder
Story Obstacle: A torturous labyrinth, a deadly dungeon, or a trackless wilderness stands between the characters and their hidden destination.
Property: This item reveals an invisible path through or past the obstacle. It could constantly reveal the path to its bearer, or it could show the way once per hour or once per day.
Form: Amulet, goggles, helm, lantern.
Alternatively, the idea of a "pathfinder" that, perhaps, "finds paths", as they say, could be a natural construct of the English language, and unrelated to any other use of the term.
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Alternatively, the idea of a "pathfinder" that, perhaps, "finds paths", as they say, could be a natural construct of the English language, and unrelated to any other use of the term.From the text, it actually looks like they praised Pathfinder instead.Pathfinder
Story Obstacle: A torturous labyrinth, a deadly dungeon, or a trackless wilderness stands between the characters and their hidden destination.
Property: This item reveals an invisible path through or past the obstacle. It could constantly reveal the path to its bearer, or it could show the way once per hour or once per day.
Form: Amulet, goggles, helm, lantern.
Alternatively alternatively, sometimes it's just nice to wear your tinfoil hat.
Alternatively alternatively, sometimes it's just nice to wear your tinfoil hat.
Mine has horns! :D
Horns? I thought you wore a tinfoil fedora?
Removed a couple posts. Edition war threads are tiresome enough without branching out into what-constitutes-rape territory.It is always weird to come in after posts were deleted and try to figure out how they got from the posts left to rape.
Maybe handbanana?
Yea it's like showing up to a party after the police have already made an arrest or two.
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Yea it's like showing up to a party after the police have already made an arrest or two.
But if I show up before the police arrest anyone, they usually end up arresting me.
Even if they did would I care? Isn't this sort of like the find the path spell?
In Mordenkainen's Magnificent Emporium there is a passage about a Pathfinder story item and it throws in a bunch of stuff like "torturous passages, bleak, empty expanses" and things like that.
Isn't it enough that we have to read the edition wars online? Now we have to put up with them in our splatbooks!
Greg
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No one makes fun of Artifact-in-sword-form-that-searches-for-the-true-path
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No one makes fun of Artifact-in-sword-form-that-searches-for-the-true-path
Nor of Dagger-shaped-bearer-of-fire-that-burns-like-ice.
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No one makes fun of Artifact-in-sword-form-that-searches-for-the-true-pathNor of Dagger-shaped-bearer-of-fire-that-burns-like-ice.
I first read that as bottle-shaped-bearer-of-fire-that-burns-like-ice and thought "Mmmm, peppermint schnapps."
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It's just payback because Paizo released an adventure that featured an evil wizard who lived near the beach. Paizo had it coming.
Removed a couple posts. Edition war threads are tiresome enough without branching out into what-constitutes-rape territory.It is always weird to come in after posts were deleted and try to figure out how they got from the posts left to rape.
Maybe handbanana?
Tonight. You.
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Tonight. You.Removed a couple posts. Edition war threads are tiresome enough without branching out into what-constitutes-rape territory.It is always weird to come in after posts were deleted and try to figure out how they got from the posts left to rape.
Maybe handbanana?
LOL. What do you think he means? 'Tonight. You.' Like he's threatening you or something.
Because "Pathfinder" can only mean "Paizo"? What about: Pathfinder or Pathfinder
Dude, do you know the carbon footprint of one of those Nissan Pathfinders? That's an intentional jab at Paizo.
It's just payback because Paizo released an adventure that featured an evil wizard who lived near the beach. Paizo had it coming.
Bah, that was coincidence.
Though I think the 30-page supplementary article about torture methods especially suited for wizards and using said wizard as narrative example might have been a bit over the top... ;-P
I first read that as bottle-shaped-bearer-of-fire-that-burns-like-ice and thought "Mmmm, peppermint schnapps."No one makes fun of Artifact-in-sword-form-that-searches-for-the-true-pathNor of Dagger-shaped-bearer-of-fire-that-burns-like-ice.
Serioli Liquor - It's soul-shattering good!
Didn't read the whole thread. I find it unlikely there was any jab, as the people at the companies get along quite well. It's the players who insist on fanning up this whole edition war thingy, when really we should all be focused on good games and having fun.In Mordenkainen's Magnificent Emporium there is a passage about a Pathfinder story item and it throws in a bunch of stuff like "torturous passages, bleak, empty expanses" and things like that.
Isn't it enough that we have to read the edition wars online? Now we have to put up with them in our splatbooks!
I said it before and I'll say it again - probably the next time this comes up: The fact that they are on such good terms would not necessarily be a deterrent. They could poke fun at each other all in good fun, something they wouldn't do if they weren't best buddies.
And it has definitely happened before: In Shadow in the Sky, there is a jab at 4e, one which Paizo even admitted to. In that module, there is a hell-themed casino event, with waitresses dressed as succubi. The module goes on to say that (the casino owner) knows succubi aren't devils, but he's only interested in more money.
Someone from Paizo admitted that it was a jab at 4e (and how succubi were suddenly devils in there), and since Paizo and many of the developers over at wotc are friends, it can't be anything other than a friendly jab.
No one makes fun of Artifact-in-sword-form-that-searches-for-the-true-pathNor of Dagger-shaped-bearer-of-fire-that-burns-like-ice.
OT: I always wanted a Magical-Wand-That-Creates-Death-in-the-Form-of-a-Black-Sword. :-)
Because "Pathfinder" can only mean "Paizo"? What about: Pathfinder or Pathfinder
There are thousands of other "Pathfinders" out there. There's people stumbling through woods, certain weapon systems, Great Weapons (well, one).
However, making the link from one RPG to another rather than to a car or a missile isn't that far fetched...
It's like listening to someone from Airbus ranting about "The Ambassador" and then pointing out he could have meant a representative to a foreign country, a ship from Star Trek or one of the cars of that name. Someone saying that he's talking about Airspeed isn't that far-fetched.
OT: I always wanted a Magical-Wand-That-Creates-Death-in-the-Form-of-a-Black-Sword. :-)No one makes fun of Artifact-in-sword-form-that-searches-for-the-true-pathNor of Dagger-shaped-bearer-of-fire-that-burns-like-ice.
It seems that to get this item, you must be prophesied to get it one day, and also be naive about what your actual species is.
And it has definitely happened before: In Shadow in the Sky, there is a jab at 4e, one which Paizo even admitted to. In that module, there is a hell-themed casino event, with waitresses dressed as succubi. The module goes on to say that (the casino owner) knows succubi aren't devils, but he's only interested in more money.
Someone from Paizo admitted that it was a jab at 4e (and how succubi were suddenly devils in there), and since Paizo and many of the developers over at wotc are friends, it can't be anything other than a friendly jab.
This is surprising. What does "Someone from Paizo" mean?
I too would like a cite for this. The only relevant posts I can find are you retelling this tale. Not saying it didn't happen, but it sounds really unlikely to me.
I too would like a cite for this. The only relevant posts I can find are you retelling this tale. Not saying it didn't happen, but it sounds really unlikely to me.Link
Cheers. I guess it's harder to find someone more "from Paizo" than James Jacobs. :)
I'm still surprised, but I missed all the context. When I read his comment I wonder if he meant 'it wasnt a jab', rather than 'it wasnt subtle'.
I too would like a cite for this. The only relevant posts I can find are you retelling this tale. Not saying it didn't happen, but it sounds really unlikely to me.Link
Thanks for that, I probably wouldn't have found it.
I too would like a cite for this. The only relevant posts I can find are you retelling this tale. Not saying it didn't happen, but it sounds really unlikely to me.LinkCheers. I guess it's harder to find someone more "from Paizo" than James Jacobs. :)
I'm still surprised, but I missed all the context. When I read his comment I wonder if he meant 'it wasnt a jab', rather than 'it wasnt subtle'.
I'm quite sure James meant that it wasn't subtle in any way. It was an allusion to 4e, but it was all meant in good fun.
I'm still surprised, but I missed all the context. When I read his comment I wonder if he meant 'it wasnt a jab', rather than 'it wasnt subtle'.I'm quite sure James meant that it wasn't subtle in any way. It was an allusion to 4e, but it was all meant in good fun.
I'll take your word for it - as I said, I missed all the context.
With all of the cross-pollination of RPG talent writing for WotC & Paizo, I am sure that anything mentioned in any product is on purpose, BUT is all in jest. The fans have an edition war. Ever notice that the writers are ignoring it?
It's like listening to someone from Airbus ranting about "The Ambassador" and then pointing out he could have meant a representative to a foreign country, a ship from Star Trek or one of the cars of that name.
[sniper voice] Or that bloody overpowered revolver that coward of a Spy uses, what a wanka. [/sniper voice]
[sniper voice] Or that bloody overpowered revolver that coward of a Spy uses, what a wanka. [/sniper voice]
It's like listening to someone from Airbus ranting about "The Ambassador" and then pointing out he could have meant a representative to a foreign country, a ship from Star Trek or one of the cars of that name.
Doktor!
Hm... I think I'll pass the time until MMHVI arrives with a bit of TF2.
No one makes fun of Artifact-in-sword-form-that-searches-for-the-true-pathNor of Dagger-shaped-bearer-of-fire-that-burns-like-ice.
You two get stacks of Langosh and a bottle each of K'aaven for your references. And I promise to not use "remover-of-aspects-of-deity" on you when the revolting Teckla rise. ;)