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i am confused about these enhancements. do we pay the prestige, hand our current one over and now it gets upgraded? some of the entries described the items appearence. do we get an extra wayfinder or is the one we need in the first place(p.63) cosmetically and game mechanically wise changed?
i love the jade one for example. it says it is crafted in tian xia, described in appearence and casts guidance instead of light.
would i spend the 2 prestige to acquire it as a second, separate wayfinder. or do i hand over the light wf and get back only one that has then lost the light ability?
could we put multiple enhancements on one? obviously some would make no sense like an admantine/bone combo. what abot a jade/trapped wayfinder?
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Like weapons, buying a Wayfinder out of a non-standard material requires purchase of an all new Wayfinder, not upgrading an existing one. If you already have a standard One, its existence has nothing to do with the new one.
I do not agree with this at all, if that was the case it would make these useless.
According to the section the OP is talking about you just need a wayfinder, the Wayfinder Enhancements change that wayfinder accordingly, by changing Parts of it *Casing* or adding abilities to it.
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To obtain the following wayfinder enhancements, a Pathfinder must already own a wayfinder.
So owning a Wayfinder is all that required, the Enhancements just add on to it are change parts of it.
Adamantine (5 PP): The casing of this wayfinder is incredibly hard, and no amount of casual use can ding,
dent, or scratch its pristine smoothness.
As an example by spending 5 PP for this enhancement your casing is replaced with an Adamantine one, to require to buy an Adamantine Wayfinder to spend PP to get an Adamantine makes no sense.
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Each of the vanity wayfinders is its own item. If you have an adamantine wayfinder, that is in addition to your normal wayfinder. There are no rules for changing one type of magic item into another, other than to upgrade numbered bonuses.
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Each of the vanity wayfinders is its own item. If you have an adamantine wayfinder, that is in addition to your normal wayfinder. There are no rules for changing one type of magic item into another, other than to upgrade numbered bonuses.
That is interesting...
Then why is it required to own one before you spend the PP?
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Each of the vanity wayfinders is its own item. If you have an adamantine wayfinder, that is in addition to your normal wayfinder. There are no rules for changing one type of magic item into another, other than to upgrade numbered bonuses.That is interesting...
Then why is it required to own one before you spend the PP?
Because that's the rule.
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It sounds like what the Field Guide is trying to say is that you have to pay gold for the enhanced wayfinder along with the PP. Still 250 gp + PPs for the enhanced, discounted wayfinder is not bad.
Then you would have 2 according to mark, one you bought and the other you get for the PP, in fact if you spent more PP you would get a Third!!
Seems like they would work better as *Upgrades* then addtional ones, like you could have an Adamantine, Dayfinder, Holy Symbol, Messenger and Trapped one, instead of having 5 different ones.
Though I would say you could not have the same one made out of different material casings.
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Because that's the rule.Each of the vanity wayfinders is its own item. If you have an adamantine wayfinder, that is in addition to your normal wayfinder. There are no rules for changing one type of magic item into another, other than to upgrade numbered bonuses.That is interesting...
Then why is it required to own one before you spend the PP?
Ok, my question was not clear.. I should have said..
Since there is No link Between getting the Enhancement Vanity and Owning a Wayfinder prior to that since the Enhancment does not actual Enhance the one you own, that rules makes no sense!.
Now if the Vanity actual "Enhanced" the one you own, the rule would make more sense.
Ofcourse that is more of a statement not a queastion..;)
A better rule would have been that made more sense since the orignal one does not actually get enhanced would have been Spend x amount of gold plus PP.
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The rule is what it is. There is a prereq to get those vanities, which is owning a wayfinder. If you don't have that, you can't get those boons. Simple. Whether that makes sense to you doesn't change the fact that you need what you need, the same way you need to meet PrC or feat prereqs.
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(Slightly OT: I cannot fathom how spending 5PP for an adamantine wayfinder is a remotely good decision. It suppose if you're on the cusp of 12th and have enough left over for multiple Raise Dead....)
I think it's a good decision if that's what you think your character would have. It isn't all about utility and benefit.
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(Slightly OT: I cannot fathom how spending 5PP for an adamantine wayfinder is a remotely good decision. It suppose if you're on the cusp of 12th and have enough left over for multiple Raise Dead....)I think it's a good decision if that's what you think your character would have. It isn't all about utility and benefit.
But I can't even think of an in-character reason to do that. Unless your character has some kind of adamantine fetish and insists that they ONLY use metal gear that's made of adamantine, opting to use wooden weapons and leather armor until they can afford it.
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Because it's prestigious to own a wayfinder made from a chunk of super-hard meteorite? As far as you've travelled in the service to lore, that thing has travelled very much farther.
I forgot that it came from meteorites. Let the "My spaaace swoooord!" Sokka references commence!
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Because if my character has the feat Throw Anything, it can become an improvised weapon that ignores hardness?
You, sir, win the game. :)
Bonus style points if it's Catch Off-Guard instead of Throw Anything, though. Cooler to beat them to death with it than to throw it at them.
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The rule is what it is. There is a prereq to get those vanities, which is owning a wayfinder. If you don't have that, you can't get those boons. Simple. Whether that makes sense to you doesn't change the fact that you need what you need, the same way you need to meet PrC or feat prereqs.
I know that this was posted almost 3 years ago, but I think that, as an author of book in question, you may be responding too strongly to people that find your product confusing.
Unique Wayfinders are presented on 55 to 56 and you or a fellow author may have intended for the wayfinder enhancements to be additional unique items, but that is not the rules that were presented. Through the boons, you obtain a wayfinder enhancement, not an enhanced wayfinder. If a pathfinder product were to incorporate a bow sight enhancement, I would expect to be able to add it to a unique magic bow in the same way that reading this Field Guide, my interpretation is that for 2 PP I can add a holy symbol to a wayfinder.
If this needs to be corrected, it should done through errata and I do not see any for the Field Guide, or for any Pathfinder Society product. There may be some imbalance in combining some of the enhancements with the unique wayfinders, but for the holy symbol is that if someone steals it so I can't cast some divine spells, they take my wayfinder and possibly an ioun stone too.
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It is being used in a current thread as the definitive reference as to how these enhancements work so it is a current issue.
A random post by an official Paizo employee or freelancer, not only changes the function of published content, but does so with a condescending tone.
It is not my intention to offend Mark Moreland or anyone who works for or supports Paizo and the PFS. I do not believe any aspect of my actions deserves to be referred to as "piling on."
As stated above, such a change should be overturned or put into an errata document. An enhancement is a modifier to an item, not a complete item itself.
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I actually searched about wayfinders last night and got/read this thread. I personally find it handy that others try and use pre-existing threads instead of making new ones to address an issue, so things aren't all over the place. If someone feels it necessary to bring back an old thread, then I feel you should respect their decision to do so.
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Really, three years late to a conversation and you felt now was a good time to pile on?Do you suggest in the future to make an entirely new thread instead of posting in a pre-existing thread?
There's a difference between necroing a thread to ask a legitimate question and necroing a thread to criticize a developer for a post he made 3 years ago. Nothing was done three years ago when the concern was raised, why bring it up again when a ruling was made?
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There's a difference between necroing a thread to ask a legitimate question and necroing a thread to criticize a developer for a post he made 3 years ago. Nothing was done three years ago when the concern was raised, why bring it up again when a ruling was made?Really, three years late to a conversation and you felt now was a good time to pile on?Do you suggest in the future to make an entirely new thread instead of posting in a pre-existing thread?
The ruling is inconsistent with the printed document. I should not be expected to check for updates to a PDF, check for Errata, and search the forums for every possible ruling on the document to make sure I won't get any rude surprises when I show up to a convention and present my Shining Wayfinder with a Holy Symbol enhancement for my Shining Crusade Paladin.
What other aspects of Pathfinder or PFS play have been altered by a post hidden on the forums? Forgoing errata for significant changes only serves to foster inconsistent experiences across GMs and PFS tables.
I necroed the thread to keep the act of challenging the informal change in the same thread.
That is my concern and it is legitimate.
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Yes, the language is confusing, but it is not inconsistent as this is not a wondrous item with a +, and is therefore not upgradable per PFS rules for upgrading magical items. The wayfinder is a named magical item, it is not one with a + enhancement bonus that can be upgraded as a magic weapon or armor can.
Similarly, a lot of these "enhancements" change the material for your wayfinder. There are no rules to replace the material for weapons/items after creation time.
There are no rules for changing one type of magic item into another, other than to upgrade numbered bonuses.
Mark didn't change the ruling, he clarified it. There's a difference.
Yes it is irritating when you have to go search all over the place for rulings, but this is standard operating procedure for Paizo. Sometimes rules questions don't get answered. Sometimes, there's a rules clarification and it only goes into the faq. Sometimes an errata is made.
Again, it's one thing to say "hey, I think this rule needs a more solid errata and clarification." It's an entirely different thing to say "hey, I think your response was condescending. If you decide to change it, please put in an errata." The problem with the latter is that he clearly decided that no change was necessary (and therefore no errata), and it confuses your point. Then we get into big, ridiculous, unproductive arguments about unrelated things, and nothing gets solved.
EDIT: I would recommend bookmarking the Pathfinder FAQ and the PFS FAQ for convenience.
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Acedio covered it much diplomatically than I did.
This is a game with thousands of rules, many of which were written before others were released. The rules system is so incomplete, we need an independant referee at every table to make the calls. That is part of the game.
Mark clarified a rule that many of us already thought was crystal clear. Yes, perhaps he did so abruptly, but spending an hour explaining the "why" of every question that someone asks is not the best use of his time. Bringing back a thread that is three years old just to yell at a developer for their tone is not productive, so don't try to retcon it into something productive.
The rule is clarified. If you don't like the rule, that's a different matter, and Paizo has been very willing to listen to ideas presented nicely.
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Bringing back a thread that is three years old just to yell at a developer for their tone is not productive, so don't try to retcon it into something productive.
If this needs to be corrected, it should done through errata and I do not see any for the Field Guide, or for any Pathfinder Society product.
There is no retcon. I appologize if you feel that any aspect of my actions constituted "yelling at a developer."
Yes, the language is confusing, but it is not inconsistent as this is not a wondrous item with a +, and is therefore not upgradable per PFS rules for upgrading magical items. The wayfinder is a named magical item, it is not one with a + enhancement bonus that can be upgraded as a magic weapon or armor can.
Thank you for at least acknowledging that the wording is confusing. Since this is a PFS-specific document, the apparent ability to upgrade wayfinders with wayfinder enhancements paid for using a PFS-specific mechanic (prestige points) conflicts with that ruling.
Yes it is irritating when you have to go search all over the place for rulings, but this is standard operating procedure for Paizo. Sometimes rules questions don't get answered. Sometimes, there's a rules clarification and it only goes into the faq. Sometimes an errata is made.
Irritating isn't the word for it. Since there is no effort to consolidate these rulings, it would be difficult to even find these rulings. I would argue that it places an unreasonable burden on both GM and player.
Again, it's one thing to say "hey, I think this rule needs a more solid errata and clarification." It's an entirely different thing to say "hey, I think your response was condescending. If you decide to change it, please put in an errata." The problem with the latter is that he clearly decided that no change was necessary (and therefore no errata), and it confuses your point. Then we get into big, ridiculous, unproductive arguments about unrelated things, and nothing gets solved.
Those are two things. I think that the rule needs a more solid errata, or even FAQ entry, but leaving a condescending post as the most official statement (that I know of) that the rule behaves differently than expected is poor form on Paizo's behalf.
EDIT: I would recommend bookmarking the Pathfinder FAQ and the PFS ~FAQ for convenience.
Thanks, but I just springboard from the Pathfinder Society or Pathfinder page. I find myself referencing the Additional Resources document more often than the FAQ.
On a related note, the Bestiary, per a post on the forum, unlocks the ability to play Aasimars, Tieflings, and Tengus, but Additional Resources entry restricts those races as legal for polymorph.
This may be common practice for Paizo, but it creates a mess. I may have no power other than to voice my opinion in opposition on the forums, but if that's all I can do towards cleaning up the player experience, why should I not do it?
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Mark, I was under the impression that a Pathfinder was only allowed to own one Wayfinder at a time and that you had to sell or trade your current wayfinder back to the society to get a new one or an Enhanced one or one that has vanities.
This would make sense to me for the reason that a wayfinder could be attuned to the owner so that it could be used like a magic id card. Unlike the Rings that our enemies have. BTW 2 of my characters have collect a full set of them.
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It is being used in a current thread as the definitive reference as to how these enhancements work so it is a current issue.
A random post by an official Paizo employee or freelancer, not only changes the function of published content, but does so with a condescending tone.
It's worth pointing out that Mark Moreland is not just an "official Paizo employee or freelancer." He isn't as active on the PFS boards these days, but he is PFS campaign leadership. I'm not sure exactly when Mike Brock started, but it's possible in 2011 Mark Moreland was still the sole PFS campaign leader, so he was not posting as the author of the book. He was posting a ruling for PFS, because that is (was) his job. A PFS specific ruling is not appropriate for inclusion in an errata.
There are many other PFS specific rulings that have been issued in discussion forums, because that is the most convenient way for campaign leadership to quickly address an issue. There had been an effort to collect them. This thread was not included, I'm guessing because the ones that were were mostly from Mike Brock. All of the ones that were, however, eventually made it into the FAQ as resources and time allowed. It took almost a year, though, so it was good to have the clarifications in the meantime.
That thread is located here.
Paizo's policy on errata is also that they are only issued when a book goes for a new printing, so, once again, forum posts are much faster. Since a reprinting of the Field Guide is unlikely, it's unlikely errata will ever be issued.
In the past, and in many of the threads linked to in that compilation thread, people have been able to get Campaign leadership to change rulings or allow previously banned options by clearly stating what it is they'd like to see changed, then making a reasoned argument for what the benefits of that change would be and why it would not cause problems for the campaign. I'd suggest taking that approach instead. It may not be successful, but campaign leadership (Mark included) has shown in the past that they are very willing to listen to the forum community when an issue is discussed and reasoned arguments made. Simply saying I don't believe this ruling was the right one isn't likely to change anything.
I'll even give you your first talking point: Allowing wayfinder enhancements to actually enhance an existing wayfinder would promote the use of more wayfinders and wayfinder vanities and make the wayfinders more unique to each Pathfinder. It would allow an emblem of the society to become an emblem of the individual as well. There are at least a couple of scenarios that grant wayfinders on their chronicle sheets, and being able to enhance those with vanities would only add to the individual's history and connection to the item.
I'd expect part of your argument would need to explain why allowing enhancements on already special wayfinders is not mechanically game breaking.
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Mark, I was under the impression that a Pathfinder was only allowed to own one Wayfinder at a time and that you had to sell or trade your current wayfinder back to the society to get a new one or an Enhanced one or one that has vanities.
This would make sense to me for the reason that a wayfinder could be attuned to the owner so that it could be used like a magic id card. Unlike the Rings that our enemies have. BTW 2 of my characters have collect a full set of them.
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Lou,
The only limit on wayfinders is that you can only have one wayfinder with a resonant Ioun stone in it, or the two wayfinders with resonant powers would neutralize each other.
If you only have one wayfinder with a resonant Ioun stone in it, and multiple without, they should all work normally.
I do not remember anything in any of the wayfinder write-ups, in any of the sources with it in them, including the GtPSFOP v5, that gives any sort of other limitations on them.
If, indeed, there is a limit to only being able to possess one wayfinder, I will need to know that, so I can "fix" several of my PCs who own multiple wayfinders, oif one sort or another, from one with a second wayfinder so he can still use the light cantrip whilke the other has a resonant effect running, through my PC with a standard wayfinder with a resonant Ioun stone it, and a Dayfinder, and an Ebon wayfinder...
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If you only have one wayfinder with a resonant Ioun stone in it, and multiple without, they should all work normally.This is the light wayfind.. no thats the guidance.. THIS is the light wayfi...no thats the message. OH! Hello venture captain. Didn't know this was still on. Hmmm is this the light? No but now i havea +1 to my search check. Maybe its this one...
Okay, this is my cold iron greatsword. Oops, no that's the silversheen one. Maybe this one? Nope, adamantine.
And we won't even go into the archer's toolkit.
Arrows
Blunt arrows
Cold iron arrows
Silvered arrows
Adamantine arrows
Durable arrows
Grappling arrows
Thistle arrows
Flight arrows
Smoke arrows
Whistling arrows
Then start adding weapon blanch to them.
Cold iron weapon blanch
Silver weapon blanch
Adamantine weapon blanch
Ghost salt weapon blanch
So, which arrow am I planning on using, and which quiver is it in, and is that one of my efficent quivers?
Yeah, let's compare, maybe, 4 or 5 wayfinders, at least some of which have different desciptions, with a bunch of different arrows. If you can do it with the arrows, andf you can, as a free action, even during a ranged AoO (Snap Shot), then keeping track of a few wayfinders is nothing.
Consider a bunch of wands or scrolls, too.
I have PCs with upward of 5 or 6 wands, too.
Magic Missile
Infernal Healing
Cure Light Wounds
Inflict Light Wounds
Magic Missile (CL5)
Scorching Ray (CL7)
Dispel Magic (CL14)
Heh. He can actually use most of those wands without UMD, too...
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Each of the vanity wayfinders is its own item. If you have an adamantine wayfinder, that is in addition to your normal wayfinder.
That is interesting...
Then why is it required to own one before you spend the PP?
Maybe the Lodge quartermaster wants to see if you can be trusted to look after a normal one, before he lets you touch the rare ones?
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Each of the vanity wayfinders is its own item. If you have an adamantine wayfinder, that is in addition to your normal wayfinder. There are no rules for changing one type of magic item into another, other than to upgrade numbered bonuses.
The rule is what it is. There is a prereq to get those vanities, which is owning a wayfinder. If you don't have that, you can't get those boons. Simple. Whether that makes sense to you doesn't change the fact that you need what you need, the same way you need to meet PrC or feat prereqs.
I know this is sort of a thread necro, but I didn't want to start a whole new thread when this one already existed.
I recently played Scenario #5-08 The Confirmation for the first time and it gives the following boon for a 0 xp PC: (my question at the end of the spoiler to not spoil the scenario/boon for anyone who hasn't done it)
the Three Masters has formally recognized you as a field agent and given you a wayfinder engraved with
your name and the date of your graduation. If this is the first time you have received this boon for any of
your characters, you receive this wayfinder for free; otherwise, you may acquire it by spending 1 Prestige
Point. Furthermore, if you assign this Chronicle sheet to a character whose starting XP is 0, you reduce
the Prestige Point cost of any wayfinder enhancement vanities you purchase to modify this wayfinder by 1
(minimum 1).
Does this mean if I use PP to get a wayfinder enhancement I will have 2 wayfinders as per the ruling quoted above, or does the wayfinder I receive due to this boon modified (i.e. I only have 1 enhanced wayfinder) as the "Furthermore, ..." part of the boon Reads as written?
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Apparently, another thread said that posts from developers are not official. I thought I flagged a post as a FAQ candidate, but maybe that was before I knew how. In any case, it is marked as added to the FAQ so I will check it out when I can.
If it is in the FAQ, fantastic, Mark Moreland's condescending post is no longer the most official face Paizo is presenting on the matter.
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Apparently, another thread said that posts from developers are not official. I thought I flagged a post as a FAQ candidate, but maybe that was before I knew how. In any case, it is marked as added to the FAQ so I will check it out when I can.
If it is in the FAQ, fantastic, Mark Moreland's condescending post is no longer the most official face Paizo is presenting on the matter.
The post you're referring to was about posts to the messageboards by members of the Pathfinder Design Team. Posts by PFS Campaign leaders, of which Mark Moreland is one, are official with regards to the PFS Organized Play Campaign.
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You may not simply ignore rules clarifications made by the campaign leadership, including the campaign coordinator and campaign developer, on the paizo.com messageboards. GMs are not required to read every post on the messageboards, but GMs familiar with rules clarifications made by the campaign leadership (which have not been superseded by the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play or FAQ) must abide by these clarifications or rulings. If it is a significant clarification, it will be updated in the FAQ, and later in the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play if necessary.
I do agree that the chronicle from The Confirmation seems in conflict with Mark's earlier clarification, though not in a huge way.
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Stop calling people names, please. I could use adjectives to describe your posts and behaviour as well, but I recall the most important rule of PFS.
I have never called anyone names. I can understand that you might misconstrue my intentions, but please stop misrepresenting my actions.
I have reread Mark's post and find it less offensive than when I originally read it. Perhaps "condescending" was not the best word to describe the tone, but I did find it rude. I found the post rude. I never said anything about Mark Moreland. I do not know him in any capacity and I assume that the above post was off moment.
The post you're referring to was about posts to the messageboards by members of the Pathfinder Design Team. Posts by PFS Campaign leaders, of which Mark Moreland is one, are official with regards to the PFS Organized Play Campaign.
I was not aware that Mark Moreland was a PFS Campaign Leader. That is disappointing, not to imply that he in any way performed sub par in that role, but because I strongly feel that this change merits a FAQ entry at the least.
So, Kyle Baird's Scenario #5-08: The Confirmation conflicts with Mark Moreland's ruling above. Since the Season 5 scenario is more recent and has the potential of overturning Mark's stance, can we get a FAQ entry for upgrading Wayfinders using the Wayfinder Enhancements in the Pathfinder Society Field Guide?
I assume that we cannot expect an errata for either document since they are PDF only (and thus never reprinted), correct?
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So, Kyle Baird's Scenario #5-08: The Confirmation conflicts with Mark Moreland's ruling above. Since the Season 5 scenario is more recent and has the potential of overturning Mark's stance, can we get a FAQ entry for upgrading Wayfinders using the Wayfinder Enhancements in the Pathfinder Society Field Guide?
I assume that we cannot expect an errata for either document since they are PDF only (and thus never reprinted), correct?
I gotta say as a new Pathfinder Society player, I am really surprised that this conflict (Mark's clarification and Scenario 5-08) has not yet been resolved, at least not as far as I can tell. I recently acquired the most recent version of the guides, and in the Pathfinder Society Field Guide, it has two different sections, one for "Specialized" Wayfinders (for each faction), and one for Wayfinder "Enhancements".
Common sense would seem to indicate that as long as you pay the requisite PPs, you should be able to enhance a plain wayfinder with a few enhancements. You have the wayfinder, which is the initial prerequisite, and then you pay the PP's, which is a second prerequisite. It makes no sense to carry around a bunch of wayfinders (unless that's your choice), when honestly, they are rarely used in scenarios, as far as I can tell from watching other players. Rarely do players spend PP's on these, so they should encourage ingenuity.
Why offer the enhancements when they discourage their use by making record-keeping a part of using wayfinders? As short as the playing sessions are anyway...
And before anyone gets all bent out of shape, I did take the time to read all of the posts prior to this one, and it seems like a lot of back and forth without any REAL resolution, other than a ruling that seems to not be based on common sense, even in the face of a conflicting document.
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So, Kyle Baird's Scenario #5-08: The Confirmation conflicts with Mark Moreland's ruling above. Since the Season 5 scenario is more recent and has the potential of overturning Mark's stance, can we get a FAQ entry for upgrading Wayfinders using the Wayfinder Enhancements in the Pathfinder Society Field Guide?
I assume that we cannot expect an errata for either document since they are PDF only (and thus never reprinted), correct?
I gotta say as a new Pathfinder Society player, I am really surprised that this conflict (Mark's clarification and Scenario 5-08) has not yet been resolved, at least not as far as I can tell. I recently acquired the most recent version of the guides, and in the Pathfinder Society Field Guide, it has two different sections, one for "Specialized" Wayfinders (for each faction), and one for Wayfinder "Enhancements".
Common sense would seem to indicate that as long as you pay the requisite PPs, you should be able to enhance a plain wayfinder with a few enhancements. You have the wayfinder, which is the initial prerequisite, and then you pay the PP's, which is a second prerequisite. It makes no sense to carry around a bunch of wayfinders (unless that's your choice), when honestly, they are rarely used in scenarios, as far as I can tell from watching other players. Rarely do players spend PP's on these, so they should encourage ingenuity.
Why offer the enhancements when they discourage their use by making record-keeping a part of using wayfinders? As short as the playing sessions are anyway...
And before anyone gets all bent out of shape, I did take the time to read all of the posts prior to this one, and it seems like a lot of back and forth without any REAL resolution, other than a ruling that seems to not be based on common sense, even in the face of a conflicting document.
I am inclined to agree that the Wayfinder Enhancements should be an option that can be upgraded to an existing wayfinder or a new wayfinder for the PP cost.
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I'm unclear why this is an issue. We are talking about 250gp.
Not every character has 250gp to toss around as 'chump change' after upgrading their gear, buying consumables, etc.
Not every character has 1-2PP to toss around as 'chump change' after purchasing gear, consumables, adding to their 'res' fund.