Including atmosphere, the Earth is about 15 trillion cubic feet. As a 20th level caster you can make 400 10 ft cubes with the Greater Create Demiplane spell, so 40,000 cubic feet per cast. It will take 3.8 billion casts to equal the volume of the Earth and its atmosphere. To cast that many permanency spells at 22,500 gp per cast it will cost 87 trillion gold pieces, plus 2 trillion gold for the cost of forked metal rods which are the material component for the Create Demiplane spells, so you will need 89 trillion gold pieces. One gold piece is 9 ounces, so you need 800 trillion ounces of gold, which is about 880 million american short tons of gold.
So for the low low price of a 1.5 billion square foot block of gold you can have Earth.
I was bored, I'm done now.
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Including atmosphere, the Earth is about 15 trillion cubic feet. As a 20th level caster you can make 400 10 ft cubes with the Greater Create Demiplane spell, so 40,000 cubic feet per cast. It will take 3.8 billion casts to equal the volume of the Earth and its atmosphere. To cast that many permanency spells at 22,500 gp per cast it will cost 87 trillion gold pieces, plus 2 trillion gold for the cost of forked metal rods which are the material component for the Create Demiplane spells, so you will need 89 trillion gold pieces. One gold piece is 9 ounces, so you need 800 trillion ounces of gold, which is about 880 million american short tons of gold.
So for the low low price of a 1.5 billion square foot block of gold you can have Earth.
I was bored, I'm done now.
Ha ha ha ha!!! Thats awesome!
I'm interested. Is shipping included? When can you have one ready for me?
Including atmosphere, the Earth is about 15 trillion cubic feet. As a 20th level caster you can make 400 10 ft cubes with the Greater Create Demiplane spell, so 40,000 cubic feet per cast. It will take 3.8 billion casts to equal the volume of the Earth and its atmosphere. To cast that many permanency spells at 22,500 gp per cast it will cost 87 trillion gold pieces, plus 2 trillion gold for the cost of forked metal rods which are the material component for the Create Demiplane spells, so you will need 89 trillion gold pieces. One gold piece is 9 ounces, so you need 800 trillion ounces of gold, which is about 880 million american short tons of gold.
So for the low low price of a 1.5 billion square foot block of gold you can have Earth.
I was bored, I'm done now.
That covers materials, what about labor costs?
I'm interested. Is shipping included? When can you have one ready for me?
Let's see, since shipping involves setting up any number of gates to any chosen locations on any number of planes of existence, yes it's free :P. As for when we can have one ready, for a detailed plane (wizard casting the 6 hour ritual once per day and spending 2 hours tweaking the landscape 5 days a week) it will take 15 million years, give or take a few decades (you know, holidays off and what not), though if you take our rushed option (wizard casting the 6 hour ritual twice a day 7 days a week) it will take a mere 5.3 million years, although there may be some quality issues.
Thank you for shopping with Pathfinder Magrathea ^_^
I've been crunching the numbers and am a little dismayed. It seems that, at current market rates, the gold you're asking for is worth approximately $1,193,120,000,000,000,000 (or 1 quintillion, 193 quadrillion, 120 trillion) US dollars. Seeing as how that'd roughly be the gross nation product of the entire earth for a projected 16,623,289,770,669.045 years (or 16 trillion, 623 billion, 289 million, 770 thousand, 669 years, 16 days, 10 hours and 12 minutes) and that the total life expectancy of our planet (projected to end once our sun expands into a red giant) is a mere 9,550,000,000 (or 9 billion, 550 million) years then I believe you'd agree with me that it would be ludicrous to charge what equates to the lifetime GNP of more than 1,740 earths to purchase a single new earth. Are you offering any rebates?
That covers materials, what about labor costs?Including atmosphere, the Earth is about 15 trillion cubic feet. As a 20th level caster you can make 400 10 ft cubes with the Greater Create Demiplane spell, so 40,000 cubic feet per cast. It will take 3.8 billion casts to equal the volume of the Earth and its atmosphere. To cast that many permanency spells at 22,500 gp per cast it will cost 87 trillion gold pieces, plus 2 trillion gold for the cost of forked metal rods which are the material component for the Create Demiplane spells, so you will need 89 trillion gold pieces. One gold piece is 9 ounces, so you need 800 trillion ounces of gold, which is about 880 million american short tons of gold.
So for the low low price of a 1.5 billion square foot block of gold you can have Earth.
I was bored, I'm done now.
Just offer free t-shirts, everyone will show up to help.
That covers materials, what about labor costs?Including atmosphere, the Earth is about 15 trillion cubic feet. As a 20th level caster you can make 400 10 ft cubes with the Greater Create Demiplane spell, so 40,000 cubic feet per cast. It will take 3.8 billion casts to equal the volume of the Earth and its atmosphere. To cast that many permanency spells at 22,500 gp per cast it will cost 87 trillion gold pieces, plus 2 trillion gold for the cost of forked metal rods which are the material component for the Create Demiplane spells, so you will need 89 trillion gold pieces. One gold piece is 9 ounces, so you need 800 trillion ounces of gold, which is about 880 million american short tons of gold.
So for the low low price of a 1.5 billion square foot block of gold you can have Earth.
I was bored, I'm done now.
Just offer free t-shirts, everyone will show up to help.
Nuh-uh. Some of us hold out for pizza and beer.
Love the number crunching, but the forked metal rod is a focus, not a material component. You only need one for the whole process.
It's a small portion of the overall cost, but it's still 2 trillion gold.
I love these new spells!
The thing is, the Earth is huge. It is large. It is very very big. I would say that the Earth is Huge.
What I mean by that is, just considering the surface of the Earth, and even though 75% of it is ocean and therefore does not have to really be considered, it has a lot of land area. In fact, a single "continent", Asia, is so large, that I don't think anybody can think of the entire continent at once. Go ahead, I challenge you. Think of Asia.
Chances are, you either imagined Asia on a globe, or you thought about east Asia, which is only one part of Asia.
Anyway, you can have a lot of fun on a much smaller world, say one with four million square miles of area. That's about 2,000 by 2,000 miles, and allowing seven miles for atmosphere and seven miles for bedrock, you've got about 56 million cubic miles.
How much would a world of that size cost to make?
My wizard used create greater demiplane along with his newfound immortality arcane discovery to create a timeless workshop. He steps in, crafts an item over a period of months, and steps out. To the outside world, it's only been a few days.
The thing is, the Earth is huge. It is large. It is very very big. I would say that the Earth is Huge.
What I mean by that is, just considering the surface of the Earth, and even though 75% of it is ocean and therefore does not have to really be considered, it has a lot of land area. In fact, a single "continent", Asia, is so large, that I don't think anybody can think of the entire continent at once. Go ahead, I challenge you. Think of Asia.
Chances are, you either imagined Asia on a globe, or you thought about east Asia, which is only one part of Asia.
Anyway, you can have a lot of fun on a much smaller world, say one with four million square miles of area. That's about 2,000 by 2,000 miles, and allowing seven miles for atmosphere and seven miles for bedrock, you've got about 56 million cubic miles.
How much would a world of that size cost to make?
166,320,000,000 gp
EDIT: Also, sorry to say this Ravingdork, but even Greater Create Demiplane only allows you to construct planes at double the normal time flow, timeless planes flow at the same speed as normal with a paused effect on things like hunger, aging, or poison that return cumulatively once you return to a plane without the timeless quality
Also, sorry to say this Ravingdork, but even Greater Create Demiplane only allows you to construct planes at double the normal time flow, timeless planes flow at the same speed as normal with a paused effect on things like hunger, aging, or poison that return cumulatively once you return to a plane without the timeless quality
Quite right. Nevertheless, I don't believe timeless and double flow are mutually exclusive.
With the arcane builder discovery you save 25% crafting time (or 50% in the pocket plane). Stack that with Cooperative Crafting feat, which allows you to double the amount of gp of a magic item you can craft each day (2,000gp rather than 1,000gp) and simulacrums of yourself you can make an item in half the time.
If you add +5 to the DC, you can make an item in half the time.
So, for example, a belt of giant strength +6 that would normally take 36 days to craft would only need 4.5 days to craft in the pocket plane.
A 200,000gp item (some of the most powerful available) will only take 25 days, rather than 200.
So, as I've said, you can turn months into mere days.
Ah, that makes more sense. Your original post made it sound like you had your pocket dimension set up at 30x speed or something.
Ah, that makes more sense. Your original post made it sound like you had your pocket dimension set up at 30x speed or something.
I did. Your forced my hand and I had to find another way to do it. :P
I have got to say this has been the most fascinating thread i've read in a while. while i'm not convinced to invest in such a venture i think you for your time and offer you some of my moms delicious German chocolate cake.
so now where to go from here.... hmmm.... In kingmaker if your kingdom starts heading into ruin how many Build Points would it take to build an area the total size of of the first area in kingmaker included in the first to adventure paths? I dont know the total miles but maybe someone can chime in :D It's always nice to have an escape plan....
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What I mean by that is, just considering the surface of the Earth, and even though 75% of it is ocean and therefore does not have to really be considered, it has a lot of land area.
That is only the surface layer of earth, which is some 10-20 miles thick. Then comes the outer core and the inner core...all completely void of empty space...
Why have u created the core of the earth? i mean paying billions and billions of gold to include it seems a bit to much, considering its just lava. So if you only include the first say 50 or 70 miles of bedrock, and the air, how much would that cost?
I've been crunching the numbers and am a little dismayed. It seems that, at current market rates, the gold you're asking for is worth approximately $1,193,120,000,000,000,000 (or 1 quintillion, 193 quadrillion, 120 trillion) US dollars. Seeing as how that'd roughly be the gross nation product of the entire earth for a projected 16,623,289,770,669.045 years (or 16 trillion, 623 billion, 289 million, 770 thousand, 669 years, 16 days, 10 hours and 12 minutes) and that the total life expectancy of our planet (projected to end once our sun expands into a red giant) is a mere 9,550,000,000 (or 9 billion, 550 million) years then I believe you'd agree with me that it would be ludicrous to charge what equates to the lifetime GNP of more than 1,740 earths to purchase a single new earth. Are you offering any rebates?
Ludicrous? Or genius from the end of the salesmen?
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Why have u created the core of the earth? i mean paying billions and billions of gold to include it seems a bit to much, considering its just lava. So if you only include the first say 50 or 70 miles of bedrock, and the air, how much would that cost?
That "just lava" Is the reason we have atmosphere, because the mass of the entire earth gives it enough gravity to keep the air around it. Also, a hollow planet would be cold. Very cold. And mos probably a barren, frozen wasteland, with nothing to keep it warm on the inside.
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Including atmosphere, the Earth is about 15 trillion cubic feet. As a 20th level caster you can make 400 10 ft cubes with the Greater Create Demiplane spell, so 40,000 cubic feet per cast. It will take 3.8 billion casts to equal the volume of the Earth and its atmosphere. To cast that many permanency spells at 22,500 gp per cast it will cost 87 trillion gold pieces, plus 2 trillion gold for the cost of forked metal rods which are the material component for the Create Demiplane spells, so you will need 89 trillion gold pieces. One gold piece is 9 ounces, so you need 800 trillion ounces of gold, which is about 880 million american short tons of gold.
So for the low low price of a 1.5 billion square foot block of gold you can have Earth.
I was bored, I'm done now.
Not to mention the 722 years it would take to cast a spell that many times (assuming 1 cast per round)
That "just lava" Is the reason we have atmosphere, because the mass of the entire earth gives it enough gravity to keep the air around it. Also, a hollow planet would be cold. Very cold. And mos probably a barren, frozen wasteland, with nothing to keep it warm on the inside.Why have u created the core of the earth? i mean paying billions and billions of gold to include it seems a bit to much, considering its just lava. So if you only include the first say 50 or 70 miles of bedrock, and the air, how much would that cost?
You don't really need the lava and the core you have gravity from the spell, so you create a 2nd surface facing inwards and you can cut the casting time by almost half. You also make the plane with enhanced magic for the time you cast the spells and you have +2 CL that's 10% more area on level 20.
Get some people (or some monkeys if you can wait for the evolution to take it's path) and wait a few generations mess with their lives enough so they start worshipping you and enjoy being a god.
That "just lava" Is the reason we have atmosphere, because the mass of the entire earth gives it enough gravity to keep the air around it. Also, a hollow planet would be cold. Very cold. And mos probably a barren, frozen wasteland, with nothing to keep it warm on the inside.
There you go mixing hard science and fantasy gaming again.
It's a world in which gods, demons, magic, and people with pointy ears abound. A wizard can literally create something from nothing with the snap of his or her fingers. Joebob The Mighty Left Hand Of Croom, God of Drunken Brawls, can hold up the Sacred Tankard and shout out "CROOOOOOOOOOOOM ON YA!" and whollop a Dragon for a skintillion points of damage and later go out carousing with the Dragon's (now deep into her cups) dearly lamenting pixie girlfriend.
No one in a fantasy game worries about "atmosphere" - they ask "Is there air?" The molten core of the world doesn't keep it warm, that's what the SUN does! Or, if not the sun, the warmth of the Creator Gods! If the world is hollow, it's hollow! Hidden civilizations! Dinosaurs! A sun that never moves! Travis Morgan, The Warlord of Skartaris, striking out from Shamballah The Golden to bring freedom and unity to the entirety of the hidden world!
Or is that Mike Grell and DC comics? I can never remember.
My point being that while the catgirl population is clearly out of control, there's no need to slaughter millions of them by bringing hard science into a conversation about creating a world using fantastic magical power. ;)
One gold piece is 9 ounces, so you need 800 trillion ounces of gold, which is about 880 million american short tons of gold.
50 gold pieces are a pound, so a gold piece is about a third of an ounce. Not over half a pound.
Your base assumption is incorrect. The volume of the earth, excluding atmosphere, is 1.08321 trillion cubic kilometers. Each cubic kilometer is 35.3 trillion cubic feet, yielding a total volume of 3.82 * 10^25 cubic feet. Divided by the per-casting volume of 400,000 cubic feet, you get 9.56 * 10^19 castings.
The Earth has a surface area of 510,072,000 square kilometers, so limiting yourself to a depth of 10 feet and a height of 20 feet gives you a usable volume of 165 quadrillion cubit feet, or roughly 400 billion castings.
Including atmosphere, the Earth is about 15 trillion cubic feet. As a 20th level caster you can make 400 10 ft cubes with the Greater Create Demiplane spell, so 40,000 cubic feet per cast. It will take 3.8 billion casts to equal the volume of the Earth and its atmosphere.
A cube 10 feet on a side is 1000 cubic feet of volume. So, if you're making 400 such cubes per casting, that's 400,000 cubic feet per cast. Therefore, only 380 million casts are required. So, that's only a total of 8.9 trillion gp (including the material components). At 50 gp per pound, thats 178 million pounds of gold which is 89,000 short tons and *much* more reasonable a price. :)
What if you used a combination of Clone, tarrasque's corpses, and Flesh to Stone?
Using the original numbers, we would get:
1 Tarrasque weights 130 tons, which assuming a flesh density of 63,5 pounds per cubic feet (it's the number for humans; tarrasques are probably denser, which would cheapen the planet), yields about 4,000 cubic feet.
Cloning costs 1,000 gp per cast (plus a base focus of 500 gp), takes 10 minutes to cast, then takes an average of 5 months to grow the body. So to create enough flesh to equate the volume of the Earth, we would need to repeat the process 3.6 billion times.
That would cost us 3.6 trillion gold pieces -plus 500gp for the focus- (or a 61 million square foot cube of gold) and take a total of roughly 1.5 billion years.
Then we need to turn them into stone. Since you have to wait 5 months for each body to be ready, you can turn them into stone during that time, thus sticking around 1.5 billion years without change. You would waste around 6 million cubic foot of material components assuming a spending of 2 ounces per cast (Flesh to Stone spends dirt, which we could say we grind from some of the previously stoned tarrasque's body's pieces), but that's little enough not to affect the calculations (at worst you'll have a hill less over there).
Now, there is the problem of transportation, but if we are going to spend a gold block the size of a small town into it, I'm sure we could set up the working place in a magical platform in space.
As you make more and more tarrasques into stone and bundle them together, gravity should eventually kick in at a critical threshold and keep the stuff together. It won't be nice, it won't be breathable, but hey, it's a cheaper planet.
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Take the immortality arcane discovery and start mining the infinite plane of earth for it's gold, diamonds, and other valuable metals. Fabricate it into cut diamonds, jewelry, and other art objects to triple its original value. Sell your wares, buy the appropriate material components with the profits, and get to work on creating a new world.
That "just lava" Is the reason we have atmosphere, because the mass of the entire earth gives it enough gravity to keep the air around it. Also, a hollow planet would be cold. Very cold. And mos probably a barren, frozen wasteland, with nothing to keep it warm on the inside.
There you go mixing hard science and fantasy gaming again.
It's a world in which gods, demons, magic, and people with pointy ears abound. A wizard can literally create something from nothing with the snap of his or her fingers. Joebob The Mighty Left Hand Of Croom, God of Drunken Brawls, can hold up the Sacred Tankard and shout out "CROOOOOOOOOOOOM ON YA!" and whollop a Dragon for a skintillion points of damage and later go out carousing with the Dragon's (now deep into her cups) dearly lamenting pixie girlfriend.
No one in a fantasy game worries about "atmosphere" - they ask "Is there air?" The molten core of the world doesn't keep it warm, that's what the SUN does! Or, if not the sun, the warmth of the Creator Gods! If the world is hollow, it's hollow! Hidden civilizations! Dinosaurs! A sun that never moves! Travis Morgan, The Warlord of Skartaris, striking out from Shamballah The Golden to bring freedom and unity to the entirety of the hidden world!
Or is that Mike Grell and DC comics? I can never remember.
My point being that while the catgirl population is clearly out of control, there's no need to slaughter millions of them by bringing hard science into a conversation about creating a world using fantastic magical power. ;)
Plus, not only can you greatly reduce the weight of material needed by making the world completely hollow, but you can also stick a sun on the inside of the sphere as well and double your living space.
Or, if you left it lightless what kind of ecology could you create in a black void the size of a planet? Shadow corrupted air elementals? Huge schools of Beholders? Cities of Mind Flayers built on huge, floating monsters?
Plus, not only can you greatly reduce the weight of material needed by making the world completely hollow, but you can also stick a sun on the inside of the sphere as well and double your living space.
Or, if you left it lightless what kind of ecology could you create in a black void the size of a planet? Shadow corrupted air elementals? Huge schools of Beholders? Cities of Mind Flayers built on huge, floating monsters?
Leave it hollow, fill the hollow with all that gold you saved by not making it solid, put on a duck suit, a top hat, and a tailcoat. Go swimming.
Of course, you could always make a magic item of it. It'd just take years and years of constant work to make!
The Genesis Gauntlet.
:D
One of the things you can do with Create Demiplane is creating features like mountains and castles... so just use the spell to create a mountain of solid gold, then mine it to pay for your future expansion. When running low, make another mountain.
Nothing says you have to pay the whole cost at once, so it really only costs a few castings to get a demiplane big enough to hold your mountain, and then the mountain itself.
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are there any discounts for an "earth" slightly used?
Seems like it would be a lot cheaper to just take over an earth-like planet instead of making one.
Maybe THAT's why world dominion is so popular.
And this is why my reality is stacked on turtles.
So for the low low price of a 1.5 billion square foot block of gold you can have Earth.
And for the 'very low' cost of a 'limited wish' scroll (around 2,500 gold) you destroy it in an instant.
What a wonderful world!
That covers materials, what about labor costs?Including atmosphere, the Earth is about 15 trillion cubic feet. As a 20th level caster you can make 400 10 ft cubes with the Greater Create Demiplane spell, so 40,000 cubic feet per cast. It will take 3.8 billion casts to equal the volume of the Earth and its atmosphere. To cast that many permanency spells at 22,500 gp per cast it will cost 87 trillion gold pieces, plus 2 trillion gold for the cost of forked metal rods which are the material component for the Create Demiplane spells, so you will need 89 trillion gold pieces. One gold piece is 9 ounces, so you need 800 trillion ounces of gold, which is about 880 million american short tons of gold.
So for the low low price of a 1.5 billion square foot block of gold you can have Earth.
I was bored, I'm done now.
Just offer free t-shirts, everyone will show up to help.
Wow Pinkey and the Brain?
That "just lava" Is the reason we have atmosphere, because the mass of the entire earth gives it enough gravity to keep the air around it. Also, a hollow planet would be cold. Very cold. And mos probably a barren, frozen wasteland, with nothing to keep it warm on the inside.Why have u created the core of the earth? i mean paying billions and billions of gold to include it seems a bit to much, considering its just lava. So if you only include the first say 50 or 70 miles of bedrock, and the air, how much would that cost?
It's magic and the verbiage of the spell covers these details.
Don't forget if you get a Widen Metamagic Rod you can go 8x the volume with 3 castings a day.
With 3.5, you could also tack in things like Repeat Spell and Twin Spell, if you have a means of paying for them. So we can increase the volume x32 without too much of a problem.
Now get some old Thayan Circle Magic to boost your caster level to the moon...
Of course, the 3.5 spell to create a demiplane is much more powerful, but there you have it.
==Aelryinth
Don't forget if you get a Widen Metamagic Rod you can go 8x the volume with 3 castings a day.
With 3.5, you could also tack in things like Repeat Spell and Twin Spell, if you have a means of paying for them. So we can increase the volume x32 without too much of a problem.
Now get some old Thayan Circle Magic to boost your caster level to the moon...
Of course, the 3.5 spell to create a demiplane is much more powerful, but there you have it.
==Aelryinth
There's no such thing as a metamagic rod of widen (at least not that I can find anywhere).
And this is why my reality is stacked on turtles.
All the way down!
it can be made...
If your GM allows for it, sure.
And this is why my reality is stacked on turtles.
No, no, no... You can't just stick your reality on the back of a turtle! It'd roll off!
You need some kind of buffer.. say... hmmmm... five unimaginably big elephants? That would keep it stable.
I love this thread. Just saying. xP
Obviously if you're attempting something at this scale, you'll want to max out caster level at all costs.
Feats
Spell Specialization
Varisian Tatoo
Traits
Lore Seeker (Campaign)
Gifted Adept
Items
Orange Ioun Stone
Others?
...and I'm not quite sure if this would even do anything, but...
Coven (Ex): The witch counts as a hag for the purpose of joining a hag's coven. The coven must contain at least one hag. In addition, whenever the witch with this hex is within 30 feet of another witch with this hex, she can use the aid another action to grant a +1 bonus to the other witch's caster level for 1 round. This bonus applies to the witch's spells and all of her hexes.
Since it only lasts one round, I guess it does nothing? ...or would the other witches need to be constantly using the aid another action every turn? Meh.
Anyway, interesting thought experiment to say the least?