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1. Yes. There have been several threads on this. If you have a spell like ability, any feat you have that can modify the spell works, with the exception of metamagic feats which require the spell to use a different level spell slot.
3. It says "spells cast" so most items are out. A case could be made for scroll use, but otherwise: no.
4. The second is correct. The first is leftover from a version where the summoner could only summon the eidolon once a day. As a general rule, ignore the short description if it's different from the full writeup.
5. Nope. Only the first level of a PC class get's max HP. Racial HD are never auto-maxed.
Ouch, I remember that description about question 2. I refuse to open that can of worms again, but I'll FAQ this just in case.
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Can I add a question? Are you allowed to use Evolution Surge to add the large evolution to an eidolon that has ability boost (Str and/or Con)?
Ouch, I remember that description about question 2. I refuse to open that can of worms again, but I'll FAQ this just in case.New to this message board where find this FAQ. Did you make the handbook?
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Oh, no no. That would be the OP, he even linked to it above. The FAQ is... on the individual pages about each book? I still have trouble navigating this site, so I'm not entirely sure.
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Can I add a question? Are you allowed to use Evolution Surge to add the large evolution to an eidolon that has ability boost (Str and/or Con)?
If I were the DM, I'd give a conditional "yes" to that. Large doubles the cost of each level of the Ability Increase evolution for Str and Con. Any points that you'd spent increasing those abilities don't go away.
Basically I'd say if you had 2 levels of either ability increase when medium, you'd only have 1 level in large. If you only had 1 in medium form, that's not enough evolution points to still have it in large form.
As a house rule I'd allow Greater Evolution Surge to grant the Large evolution and make up the point difference in keep a Str or Con ability increase. Obviously that's not supported by RAW since you normally can't use those points to upgrade an evolution you already have.
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Do you know where to find a definitive ruling on Augment Summoning & the Eidelon?
Augment Summoning only works with "Summon Spells". Spell-like abilities work just like spells, so the feat does work with the summoner's Summon Monster SLA. The ritual to summon the eidolon isn't a spell or a spell like ability so Augment Summoning won't work with it. The Summon Eidolon 2nd level spell is a "Summon spell" so the eidolon does benefit from the feat when summoned by that spell.
Since your guide assumes that you can cast Enlarge Person on the eidolon, I wonder what you base it's permissibility on. Obviously Enlarge Person cannot be cast on non-humanoids, and eidolons have the type outsider. Share spells in the summoner class states that "A summoner may cast spells on his eidolon even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the eidolon’s type (outsider)." I am not sure on how to interpret that, but I am leaning towards "if it specifically says that you cannot cast a spell on outsiders, it still goes on the eidolon", but it might also mean that you can cast any spell that targets any specifical type? Also, you indicate that the eidolon would only gain reach if it is biped? What is this based on? *confused*
Only a Large Biped has 10' reach. The Summoner can only cast spells from the Summoner list using the "Share Spell" ability. This stops a Ranger / Summoner from casting "Lead Blades" on the Eidolon's manufactured weapons.
Casting using a scroll via the Share Spell ability is still open to interpretation.
Quick Question: Can Eidolons speak any languages? Or do they have to get access to the Linguistics skill to learn a language?
I know they can communicate telepathically with their master of course.
Since your guide assumes that you can cast Enlarge Person on the eidolon, I wonder what you base it's permissibility on. Obviously Enlarge Person cannot be cast on non-humanoids, and eidolons have the type outsider. Share spells in the summoner class states that "A summoner may cast spells on his eidolon even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the eidolon’s type (outsider)." I am not sure on how to interpret that, but I am leaning towards "if it specifically says that you cannot cast a spell on outsiders, it still goes on the eidolon", but it might also mean that you can cast any spell that targets any specifical type? Also, you indicate that the eidolon would only gain reach if it is biped? What is this based on? *confused*
This has come up before.
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The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “you” on his eidolon (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on himself. A summoner may cast spells on his eidolon even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the eidolon’s type (outsider). Spells cast in this way must come from the summoner spell list.
This ability does not allow the eidolon to share abilities that are not spells, even if they function like spells.
One more question to go with the "Can they speak"
If I choose Bipedal form, which has 2 claws, and choose Increased Damage as one of my starting evolutions, does that effect BOTH Claw attacks or just 1 of the 2 claws?
Not sure why there is any confusion regarding speach. In the first paragraph under Eidolon:
"An eidolon has the same alignment as the summoner that calls it and can speak all of his languages."
Heh completely missed that one! :P DUR Thanks sir.
Since your guide assumes that you can cast Enlarge Person on the eidolon, I wonder what you base it's permissibility on. Obviously Enlarge Person cannot be cast on non-humanoids, and eidolons have the type outsider. Share spells in the summoner class states that "A summoner may cast spells on his eidolon even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the eidolon’s type (outsider)." I am not sure on how to interpret that, but I am leaning towards "if it specifically says that you cannot cast a spell on outsiders, it still goes on the eidolon", but it might also mean that you can cast any spell that targets any specifical type? Also, you indicate that the eidolon would only gain reach if it is biped? What is this based on? *confused*
It's quite clear. Enlarge person is a spell that does not normally affect outsiders. Share spells allows the summoner to bypass that fact if they're casting from their list.
Since your guide assumes that you can cast Enlarge Person on the eidolon, I wonder what you base it's permissibility on. Obviously Enlarge Person cannot be cast on non-humanoids, and eidolons have the type outsider. Share spells in the summoner class states that "A summoner may cast spells on his eidolon even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the eidolon’s type (outsider)." I am not sure on how to interpret that, but I am leaning towards "if it specifically says that you cannot cast a spell on outsiders, it still goes on the eidolon", but it might also mean that you can cast any spell that targets any specifical type? Also, you indicate that the eidolon would only gain reach if it is biped? What is this based on? *confused*
It probably isn't totally clear because of the way share spells changed for balance reasons between 3.5 an PF. It used to be that you could have any spell you cast on yourself ALSO affect your companion, even if you normally couldn't cast it on them. The new version keeps some of the bonus effect, without being quite so broken.
New Question:
The Summoner and the Eidolon share magic item slots yes? And the Eidolon cannot wear armor, even if he takes a feat?
So lets say I find 2 Rings of Protection +1. I could have my Eidolon wear both, but then I could not wear any rings? or we could each wear 1 and then that would be the only rings we could wear? Or I could wear both and he get nothing? That about sum it up?
Or one of us could have a belt but not both of us? Am I understanding this correctly?
Finally: How does the Eidolon regain lost HP? Spells and Potion only? It does not heal normally according to the book hence my asking. (If so I am totally gonna buy a Wand of Cure Light Wounds once I get going)
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The Summoner and the Eidolon share magic item slots yes? And the Eidolon cannot wear armor, even if he takes a feat? So let's say I find 2 Rings of Protection +1. I could have my Eidolon wear both, but then I could not wear any rings?
Two rings of protection +1 each provide a deflection bonus, so they don't stack in any case. But if the Eidolon were wearing one ring, the Summoner could wear the other. If the Eidolon then tried to wear a second ring, the creature could put it on its finger, but the ring wouldn't have any effect.
Or one of us could have a belt but not both of us? Am I understanding this correctly?
At least, we're understanding it in the same way.
Finally: How does the Eidolon regain lost HP? Spells and Potion only? It does not heal normally according to the book hence my asking. (If so I am totally gonna buy a Wand of Cure Light Wounds once I get going)
Summoners have a few rejuvenate eidolon spells available at 1st, 3rd, and 5th level. [i]Purified summons/i] calls the eidolon with all damage and temporary afflictions removed. Also, eidolons can take fast healing as a 4-point evolution.
The Summoner and the Eidolon share magic item slots yes? And the Eidolon cannot wear armor, even if he takes a feat? So let's say I find 2 Rings of Protection +1. I could have my Eidolon wear both, but then I could not wear any rings?Two rings of protection +1 each provide a deflection bonus, so they don't stack in any case. But if the Eidolon were wearing one ring, the Summoner could wear the other. If the Eidolon then tried to wear a second ring, the creature could put it on its finger, but the ring wouldn't have any effect.
Or one of us could have a belt but not both of us? Am I understanding this correctly?At least, we're understanding it in the same way.
Finally: How does the Eidolon regain lost HP? Spells and Potion only? It does not heal normally according to the book hence my asking. (If so I am totally gonna buy a Wand of Cure Light Wounds once I get going)Summoners have a few rejuvenate eidolon spells available at 1st, 3rd, and 5th level. [i]Purified summons/i] calls the eidolon with all damage and temporary afflictions removed. Also, eidolons can take fast healing as a 4-point evolution.
Cool thanks.
In regards to healing an Eidolon, I know about the Heal spells (my Summoner took the 1st level 1 of course), and I fully intend to eventually get a Wand with that spell in it.
Can an Eidolon drink a potion? I would assume if it had hands (the evolution) it could have the manual dexterity needed to drink one just like a normal person, following the same rules a PC would follow.
EDIT - Found the spot about how if the summoner is asleep the Eidolon desummons. Ah well! :)
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The Summoner and the Eidolon share magic item slots yes? And the Eidolon cannot wear armor, even if he takes a feat? So let's say I find 2 Rings of Protection +1. I could have my Eidolon wear both, but then I could not wear any rings?Two rings of protection +1 each provide a deflection bonus, so they don't stack in any case. But if the Eidolon were wearing one ring, the Summoner could wear the other. If the Eidolon then tried to wear a second ring, the creature could put it on its finger, but the ring wouldn't have any effect.
Or one of us could have a belt but not both of us? Am I understanding this correctly?At least, we're understanding it in the same way.
Finally: How does the Eidolon regain lost HP? Spells and Potion only? It does not heal normally according to the book hence my asking. (If so I am totally gonna buy a Wand of Cure Light Wounds once I get going)Summoners have a few rejuvenate eidolon spells available at 1st, 3rd, and 5th level. [i]Purified summons/i] calls the eidolon with all damage and temporary afflictions removed. Also, eidolons can take fast healing as a 4-point evolution.Cool thanks.
In regards to healing an Eidolon, I know about the Heal spells (my Summoner took the 1st level 1 of course), and I fully intend to eventually get a Wand with that spell in it.
Can an Eidolon drink a potion? I would assume if it had hands (the evolution) it could have the manual dexterity needed to drink one just like a normal person, following the same rules a PC would follow.
EDIT - Found the spot about how if the summoner is asleep the Eidolon desummons. Ah well! :)
That's a big complaint of mine that an eidolon does not heal at all by itself. I'd just rely on healers for healing the eidolon. I'm not going to waste my entire spell slot for Rejuvenate. At low levels, Summon Monster SLA is enough to make up for half HP eidolons, especially since all of my serious summoner builds have tons of CON and STR for melee combat myself.
That's a big complaint of mine that an eidolon does not heal at all by itself. I'd just rely on healers for healing the eidolon. I'm not going to waste my entire spell slot for Rejuvenate. At low levels, Summon Monster SLA is enough[/i]...
I am going to be using Mage Armor frequently to keep my Eidolon toughened up (AC 19 total with the Natural Armor evolution, dex, nat armor, and spell) which is pretty handy.
Thats my plan anyway! The personality of the character himself doesn't really promote melee combat anyway.
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The FAQ is... on the individual pages about each book? I still have trouble navigating this site, so I'm not entirely sure.
Hit the link at the very top right of every page that says Help/FAQ. You'll see a page with General Store Questions, Questions about Payment and Billing, and other stuff nobody ever reads. But, look on the right: a box titled "MORE FAQS" that's what you want. Inside there is CUPolicy, subscriptions, and other stuff nobody ever reads. But there's also a FAQ for each major PF book.
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Regarding Eidolons and Enlarge Person spell
I understand that you can cast this spell on the Eidolon as Share Spells allow it to be done. BUT!!!, it does not say anything about the Form. The spell, Enlarge Person, says it is cast on a Humanoid, and if the Eidolon is biped, there is no doubt.
I have a serpentile form. My GM says it cannot be cast as the Eidolon is not biped. Is he right? Must I research the spell, Enlarge Monster/Enlarge Sepentile Form/Enlarge Quad Form to enlarge those eidolons that are not biped?
I need a reference point to a ruling, preferably 'offical' PAIZO
I'm certainly not official, but I don't see anything in the Enlarge Person spell supports that other than the Target line, which as you said is fixed by Share Spells. The spell just causes you to increase in size, it doesn't change you into a humanoid.
The only difference for a Serpentine Eidolon will be that his reach may not change. (Non-bipedal creatures don't gain 10' reach when Large, only when Huge. See the Large Evolution for details)
Regarding Eidolons and Enlarge Person spell
I understand that you can cast this spell on the Eidolon as Share Spells allow it to be done. BUT!!!, it does not say anything about the Form. The spell, Enlarge Person, says it is cast on a Humanoid, and if the Eidolon is biped, there is no doubt.
I have a serpentile form. My GM says it cannot be cast as the Eidolon is not biped. Is he right? Must I research the spell, Enlarge Monster/Enlarge Sepentile Form/Enlarge Quad Form to enlarge those eidolons that are not biped?
I need a reference point to a ruling, preferably 'offical' PAIZO
Many thanks in advance,
Morien
Yes, it should work. Being biped does not mean being humanoid. Humanoid is a type, in the rigid definition sense. You can cast spells that don't normally affect outsiders. Enlarge Person does not normally affect Outsiders. But due to Share Spell, it does affect the Eidolon.
The relevant rules are in the Share Spell feature of Eidolons.
Grick will be by shortly to correct me :)
One thing to do is sit down with your GM and make sure you A) both understand the rules of the summoner fully, B) go through and verify the Eidolon is correctly built, and C) Ask if there are any rules he wants to institute from the beginning.
Summoners are very prone to being nerfed in play due to how powerful they are.
The other questions were addressed, so let me answer this one.
2. Can a Biped eidolon take the Bite evolution once, and then take it again to add 1 1/2 its Strength modifier to damage? The wording's unclear and there was a long debate on this one in the Summoner's Handbook thread.
Of course it can. Otherwise, the "if it has a bite attack already" clause is only applicable to Evolved Familiars.
No Eidolons have bite attacks without using the bite evolution. Yes, certain forms start with the bite evolution, but that doesn't change things. There's also no rule about not taking the same evolution multiple times.