Are you kiddin'? Somebody is smokin' somethin' funky.
Since 4th edition is non-OGL and very much owned by WoTC that would likely never happen.
Ummm. LIES!!!!! I would rather eat broken glass than play in the 4e style. Paizo stay the same! We love you for it!
I can't tell if you're making a snarky comment suggesting 5th edition is coming much much sooner than WotC would want us to believe, or if you're just a silly silly person. :D
Ok... I didn't mind playing 4e. It's not something I would go out of my way for (I would for pathfinder) but it wasn't so horrible I would choose torture over it.
However as stated paizo can't move towards 4e since 4e is non-OGL -- it would be like paizo saying, "Alright guys we are going to have our company kill itself -- have fun now!"
I did not like 4e at all, not my style. Broken glass might be a bit exaggerated... Paizo has my support 150% with Pathfinder though. And it would break my heart to see it alter in a detrimental way.
Might want to reread OP because I'M not saying anything.
<wink> Gotcha.
:D
Personally I would take it more as a sign that at this point, no one really knows what WOTC plans on doing with 4e, or a possible 5th edition.
Is it disturbing or ambiguous?
I could read that statement as saying that D&D has no plans for another edition ever in future.
It's not necessarily a dig on Pathfinder. Heck, as I understand it, a lot of people from both companies are still pretty good friends.
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I could read that statement as saying that D&D has no plans for another edition ever in future.
That's how I see it.
"There is a better chance that Spider-Man will be the next Batman than Robin"
That isn't saying anything against Spider-Man or Batman or Robin. It's a comment on the likelihood of an event. Or more like the unlikelihood.
Exactly.
I think the case is that Hasbro has no plans for 5th edition, or at least no plans more serious than selling off a foundering asset and letting someone else deal with the question.
It's not as if D&D hasn't been sold before.
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I think Paizo should give serious consideration to this business plan.
Think of it: a new edition of Pathfinder every six months until we hit a 5th edition in mid-2013. That's $50 per Pathfinder player every six months! That's a license to print money!!!
Oooh! They could even release special rare editions of the core rules, with twinked out versions of the classes. So, if you got the ultra rare Core Rules Ruby, you could play a fighter with +2 BAB/level and 10,000 hps.
This, my friends, is the way of the future. Get on board or get out of the way.
I want maneuvers that allow me to sparkle. And stabby blast. And recharge every 7.5 minutes versus 15. I like what you say, pony lawyer man.
Heck, I prefer many of 4E's mechanics, but WotC is clearly struggling with D&D's direction. I'd be surprised if there isn't a major shake-up/repackaging/new edition of D&D announced in the next 12 months, but downright shocked if there is a new edition of Pathfinder announced during that time...
I think Paizo should give serious consideration to this business plan.Think of it: a new edition of Pathfinder every six months until we hit a 5th edition in mid-2013. That's $50 per Pathfinder player every six months! That's a license to print money!!!
Oooh! They could even release special rare editions of the core rules, with twinked out versions of the classes. So, if you got the ultra rare Core Rules Ruby, you could play a fighter with +2 BAB/level and 10,000 hps.
This, my friends, is the way of the future. Get on board or get out of the way.
I'd like to get a head start on setting the table for your next feast. A few questions: What kind of stuffing would you like in your crow? Any particular wines to pair with it? I'm thinking a Zinfindel.
Oooh! They could even release special rare editions of the core rules, with twinked out versions of the classes. So, if you got the ultra rare Core Rules Ruby, you could play a fighter with +2 BAB/level and 10,000 hps.
Hmmph. I'll just stick with my Munchkin Player's Handbook Monk.
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I'd like to get a head start on setting the table for your next feast. A few questions: What kind of stuffing would you like in your crow? Any particular wines to pare with it? I'm thinking a Zinfindel.
Having never tasted crow, I would not know what you mean.
Now, I suggest you bugger off before I challenge your trademark in the Patent and Trademark Office. I hope you've used it in interstate commerce and registered it. Otherwise, I'm going to be releasing Mairkurion brand home enema kits in the near future.
Wow. I'm trying to figure out if you had a head injury, or if you're insulting my memory capacity, my search capacity, or my linking capacity?
Or the last helping of crow was infested with some kind of parasitic brain worm. Yeah, I'm thinking the later is now the most distinct possibility, given your usual sweet demeanor.
"I think I will put it this way. There is a better chance that Pathfinder will change over to 4th edition version sooner than the release of 5th edition."
I never expect Paizo to publish a version of D&D 4th edition, but I would love for them to publish a Pathfinder 2nd Edition. In the sense that Pathfinder is version 3.75, that could have been what they were referring to.
Thanks guys, Ive had a really tuff couple of days emotionally, what with a guy I knew for 21 years being jailed for war crimes. I really needed this destresser...
"I think I will put it this way. There is a better chance that Pathfinder will change over to 4th edition version sooner than the release of 5th edition."I never expect Paizo to publish a version of D&D 4th edition, but I would love for them to publish a Pathfinder 2nd Edition. In the sense that Pathfinder is version 3.75, that could have been what they were referring to.
I also wouldn't mind if Pathfinder produced a 2nd edition, as long as it was put out somewhere around 2015 or so at the earliest.
Yeah, I completely read that as "we're ditching DnD real soon" rather than "Paizo is going the way of Wizards." Since Paizo is completely unlikely to go 4th edition, it seems to me that the speaker was hinting at never having a 5th edition. Which, given the brand's history, would not surprise me.
It's pretty much impossible.
Also 4e and Pathfinder are both great games.
As far as I can tell, they don't refer to it as 4th edition much anymore. It's just "Dungeons and Dragons" and they reference 'previous editions'. The shift to an online focus, together with the monthly errata and now essentials seems to me to result in a game which evolves rather than going through seismic shifts at any clearly defined point. The game now is substantially different from what it was on release, but it's hard to point to any one moment when it 'changed definitively' since even the essentials products are being released over a whole year rather than all in one go. (Maybe the release of the rules compendium would count as a sudden change, though given it is entirely optional and backwards compatible "new edition" just doesnt seem to fit).
I'd like to get a head start on setting the table for your next feast. A few questions: What kind of stuffing would you like in your crow? Any particular wines to pare with it? I'm thinking a Zinfindel.Having never tasted crow, I would not know what you mean.
Now, I suggest you bugger off before I challenge your trademark in the Patent and Trademark Office. I hope you've used it in interstate commerce and registered it. Otherwise, I'm going to be releasing Mairkurion brand home enema kits in the near future.
I'm going to have to challenge that patent. And it's not an enema kit. It's my hydroponic delivery system. I'll be amsterdamned!
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I don´t think that WotC will call a new edition of D&D just that, least of all 5th edition. I´d rather guess that they will change the rules with nomenclatures like "Essentials" or whatever their marketing division can come up with. If you designate something with numerical edition labels, the sales of the "old stuff" tank the very moment the new stuff is on the market - not a wise move from a sales point of view. I don´t think that WH tabletop ever printed edition numbers on their stuff, but left it to the buyers to figure things out. If you buy old stuff because you don´t know better - well, tough to be you.
Stefan
The whole "essentials" thing reminds of the first episode of Invader Zim when he first receives Grr...
Zim, "It's broken!"
The Tallest, "It's not broken! -- It's Advanced!"
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I'd like to get a head start on setting the table for your next feast. A few questions: What kind of stuffing would you like in your crow? Any particular wines to pair with it? I'm thinking a Zinfindel.
I think Paizo should give serious consideration to this business plan.Think of it: a new edition of Pathfinder every six months until we hit a 5th edition in mid-2013. That's $50 per Pathfinder player every six months! That's a license to print money!!!
Oooh! They could even release special rare editions of the core rules, with twinked out versions of the classes. So, if you got the ultra rare Core Rules Ruby, you could play a fighter with +2 BAB/level and 10,000 hps.
This, my friends, is the way of the future. Get on board or get out of the way.
Beaujolais. Trust me. The zin may be a bit heavy for crow.
On the official WotC forums for D&D today, I saw a thread about 5th edition speculation and someone had this to say...
"I think I will put it this way. There is a better chance that Pathfinder will change over to 4th edition version sooner than the release of 5th edition."
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Tell me this will never happen, Paizo! Tell me everything is going to be alright!
I think that this is almost certain.
The conversion of Pathfinder and Golarion to D&D 4th Edition is inevitable.
Unless they close the open Gameing linces who realy cares this stuff take back to WoTC Boards.
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I think that this is almost certain.
The conversion of Pathfinder and Golarion to D&D 4th Edition is inevitable.
How do you figure?
Without an open license, there's no room for Pathfinder as I understand it. It isn't just some setting/flavor book. They've actually gone and modified the rules, to the point of providing an entire play experience out of only their own book. This is a big no-no under 4e's version of the license. As I understand it, you're strongly discouraged from referencing ANYTHING that would inhibit the sale of core books.
Whenever 5th edition comes out, it won't be called that. So watch for "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons" or something similar, just like D&D Essentials was 4th edition's .5 version.
Pretty much - WotC's model is based on new editions, after all. Problem is I think the 4e players could be getting 'edition fatigue' which means a '5th Edition' might not do so well.
Heck, I prefer many of 4E's mechanics, but WotC is clearly struggling with D&D's direction.
Tongue and Cheek -- I see it as a direct consquance of being unable address "gnomes" properly in the first PHB. Clearly their dismissal as just funny monsters set the game down a path which seems to be ending in disaster. You cannot disrespect the gnomes, they will come for you... someday, when you least expect it. :P
Essentials isn't 4.5. Essentials and 3.5 are nowhere similar in the slightest.
You cannot disrespect the gnomes, they will come for you... someday, when you least expect it. :P
Wait...I thought that was the halfings... :)
Essentials isn't 4.5. Essentials and 3.5 are nowhere similar in the slightest.
No. Just...no.
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Heroes of the Fallen Land and Heroes of the Forgotten Kingdom are great additions to the existing Player's Handbooks.
Monster Vault on the other hand is a great replacement for Monster Manual I.
Still, the Essential books are fully compatible with classic 4E, which is rather different from 3.0 and 3.5.
I'd like to get a head start on setting the table for your next feast. A few questions: What kind of stuffing would you like in your crow? Any particular wines to pair with it? I'm thinking a Zinfindel.
ZinFANdel please.
Keep me out of this!
'findel