I've just made a weapon/shield ranger because I can have access to shield master at lvl 6 now instead of 12 ;)
However do I NEED to take 2 weapon fighting ?
At level 1 I can attack once, I can either use my weapon or my shield.
Since the shield is an offhand attack I would get the -4 penalty and only half strenght(right?)
When I get two attacks at level 6, can I alternate the attacks ?
Round 1
Attack one: Shieldbash
Attack two: Weapon hack/slash
Round 2
Attack one: Shieldbash
Attack two: Weapon hack/slash
etc.
Since I'm not attacking with two weapons at the same time ... I don't need two-weapon fighting ... right ?
Ofcourse this will become better at around level 12 with shield slam/shield master ... So until then I can just hit with the sword ...
Hope I got this right :)
And I know the damage is not good, that's besides the point, I just want to try and knock my opponent down and then attack him.
-TDL
Off hand attack penalties only apply when you are two weapon fighting. There are no off hand penalties for what you are doing, so you get full str and no attack penalty.
I haven't looked at it much, but you may be interested in the shield fighter variant in the APG.
Already looked it over and it's very nice, but already playing a fighter in another campaign ;)
If you are right I will change his build slightly, getting shield master at level 6 is nice :D
Thanks :)
If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get
one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6
penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary
hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when
you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two
ways. First, if your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are
reduced by 2 each. An unarmed
strike is always considered
light. Second, the Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the
primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6
I would allow it. Two-weapon fighting only applies if you are making THIRD and FOURTH attack. Otherwise-> -6 & -10 to attacks
I would allow it. Two-weapon fighting only applies if you are making THIRD and FOURTH attack. Otherwise-> -6 & -10 to attacks
If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get
one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6
penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary
hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when
you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two
ways. First, if your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are
reduced by 2 each. An unarmed
strike is always considered
light. Second, the Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the
primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6
That's what I thought ... Besides this I won't be shieldbashing until level 6 anyway.
At level 6 (with my ranger) I will have improved shield bash, shield slam and shield mastery. No penalties at all, free bull rush and I keep my shield AC ... and even more important ... at that level I can attack 2 times.
I just need to position myself so that my opponent is with his back against a wall if possible so I can knock him down :)
Not sure if this will ever work, but I like the idea ...
-TDL
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I would allow it. Two-weapon fighting only applies if you are making THIRD and FOURTH attack. Otherwise-> -6 & -10 to attacks
If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get
one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6
penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary
hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when
you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two
ways. First, if your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are
reduced by 2 each. An unarmed
strike is always considered
light. Second, the Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the
primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6
I would have to agree with Aventi if you are attacking with 2 weapons without the two-weapon fighting feat you get penalties.
I would allow it. Two-weapon fighting only applies if you are making THIRD and FOURTH attack. Otherwise-> -6 & -10 to attacks
If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get
one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6
penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary
hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when
you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two
ways. First, if your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are
reduced by 2 each. An unarmed
strike is always considered
light. Second, the Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the
primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6
Yes, that's what I thought aswell.
Besides, I won't be shieldbashing until level 6.But at that point, I will have improved shield bash(keep AC), shield slam(free bullrush) and shield mastery(no penalties and attack bonus) .. and ofcourse a second attack.
I figure I move my opponent into position near a wall, shieldbash him(hoping to knock him to the floor) and attack with my axe(since he's prone I get a +4 bonus ;)) and when he tries to get up ... I get an AoO :D
Sounds nice to me, hope it will ever work ... but still ... I like the concept :)
-TDL
You only get the two weapon penalty and limited off hand damage if you are taking the extra attacks. You can use either weapon without an issue as far I a can tell.
So if you attack at +6,+1 you can hit with either your weapon or you shield for either attack at full damage. There is not handedness in Pathfinder so either weapon or shield will attack just fine as long as you do not try and do both at the same time like a two weapon fighter.
If you attack with +6,+6,+1,+1 then you get the full two weapon fighting penalties based upon your feats and weapon sizes.
How are you getting shield mastery at level 6, doesn't it require a base attack bonus of +11?I've just made a weapon/shield ranger because I can have access to shield master at lvl 6 now instead of 12 ;)
-TDL
Classes that give class features in the form of feats can sometimes bypass feat re-reqs. The ranger has a few of these. Improved Precise Shot is one of the feats they can also get early from the Archery tree.
This is also true to the Monk in many of their class features.
How are you getting shield mastery at level 6, doesn't it require a base attack bonus of +11?I've just made a weapon/shield ranger because I can have access to shield master at lvl 6 now instead of 12 ;)
-TDL
This character is a ranger, he doesn't care about feat prereqs.
To the OP, keep in mind that in the errata a weapon and shield ranger can select two-weapon fighting as one of his bonus feats.
It is from the Advanced Players Guide. This book added a lot of options to existing classes and added some new base classes... among other things.
If you are going to shield bash you kind of need the Two Weapon Fighting to take full advantage of it. Sure you could do with out and just take the -6 to hit with your weapon. So at 6th level you bash for +6/+1 and swing the sword for +0 (adjust for strength, feats and magic). One feat removes your -6 penalty, like have +6 to hit for one feat on that extra attack. As well it opens the door for improved and greater two weapon fighting which you don't get as combat style feats.
Since he gets shield master for free at 6th. Assuming he doesn't take TWF. He could attack with his sword at -6 and shield at normal bonus. This is because shield master negates the attack penalty on the shield while wielding another weapon.
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i'm almost positive that Shield Master got ruled out of the Weapon and Shield combat style, but I just can't find which thread... :P
anyways, it's broken and something that has a prereq of BAB 11 being offered free of prereqs at level 6 for a non fighter class should raise some flags with the powers that be...
i'm almost positive that Shield Master got ruled out of the Weapon and Shield combat style, but I just can't find which thread... :P
anyways, it's broken and something that has a prereq of BAB 11 being offered free of prereqs at level 6 for a non fighter class should raise some flags with the powers that be...
First there is nothing about shield master in the APG's errata.
Second the shield master feat isn't a fighter only feat.Third no it's not broken, the big advantage of a ranger is that he gets to ignore prereqs, also if this feat was to be put at the 10th level ranger bonus feat then the shield combat style wouldn't be so good for a ranger and that's because this partucular form of fighting requires A LOT of feats and the ranger get very few bonus feats. I think that the idea behind this decision is that since a ranger can't quite pull off the weapon and shield combat style (due to few bonus feats) a ranger gets good toys very early.
shield bash and the feat (improved shield bash) is only good when you are doing Two Weapon fighting because at level 6 you would get 4 attacks per round,with a Light shield plus spikes
18str +6bab +1Magic +1 weapon focus +12 attack+10 attack with weapon
+10 attack with shield
+5 attack with weapon
+5 attack with shieldthis is at level 6, without two weapon fighting its better to just take two atttacks with your weapon which has a bigger die roll. and conciderable less feats
right, but you need also Improved Two-Weapon fighting in order to do 2 attacks with the shield...
If my Cleric has a Archclass in Crusader
and got "Shield Master" from Crusader's special feat
(didn't get through "Two Weapon Figting")Then when I attach both of weapon and shield
Do I get penalty -6 on my weapon??
This was an old thread.
If you use normal iterative attacks and alternate weapons, there are never any Two-Weapon Fighting penalties.
If you use the Two-Weapon Fighting combat style to gain an extra attack with your off-hand, then Two-Weapon Fighting penalties will apply. These penalties depend on what kind of weapons you use, which of them is your off-hand, and whether or not you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat.
Look at Table: Two-Weapon Fighting Penalties to determine your penalties.
The Shield Master feat removes those penalties from attacks made with your shield. They will still apply to other weapons used in the full-attack.
However, I don't see Shield Master listed in the feat selection for a Crusader Cleric Archetype.
