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shield bash and the feat (improved shield bash) is only good when you are doing Two Weapon fighting because at level 6 you would get 4 attacks per round,

with a Light shield plus spikes
18str +6bab +1Magic +1 weapon focus +12 attack

+10 attack with weapon
+10 attack with shield
+5 attack with weapon
+5 attack with shield

this is at level 6, without two weapon fighting its better to just take two atttacks with your weapon which has a bigger die roll. and conciderable less feats

right, but you need also Improved Two-Weapon fighting in order to do 2 attacks with the shield...

But you're going to argue this to get your bonus no matter what I say, aren't you?

no, i only want to understand the way shield slam works

see this old discussion:

http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz1saz?Shield-SlamImproved-Bull-RushGreater-Bull- Rush#0

in effect, improved/greater bull rush speak about bonus on "checks made to bull rush a foe"...not on making a bull rush combat maneuver

ok, thank you!
so the right Bull rushing Total is 25, isn't it?

I know in case of Shield Slam you make a free bull rush substituting your attack roll for the combat maneuver check adding the bonuses from Improved/Greater Bull Rush.
But what about Weapon Training - Close bonus to combat maneuver checks?

for instance, attack roll for hitting:
12 - dice
+4 - strenght
+6 - BAB
+1 - Weapon Training Close bonus on attack
23 - Attacking TOTAL

while attack roll for bull rushing;
23 - Attacking TOTAL
+2 - Improv. Bull Rush
+1 - Weapon Training Close bonus on Combat Maneuver Checks
26 - Bull Rushing TOTAL

is it right?