PathfinderWiki is your best place to start for starting to learn about the realm of Golarion (also the upcoming Inner Sea Primer). For dwarves in particular, check out Dwarves of Golarion.
If he's just trying to get you to check out Golarion, well, okay I can see that. But c'mon, what's more iconic than a Barbarian Dwarf? And just because Dwarf society is lawful as a whole, why does that mean there can't be a chaotic minority?
Liz, your link has two periods.
Darn my sticky fingers! Fixed. :)
Dwarves might have a tendency to be lawful, but they're no archons, devils or inevitables, which are all lawful outsiders (meaning order is as much part of their being as flesh is to a human's). It's just a racial tendency. There totally are non-lawful dwarves, and a lot.
The Advanced Player's Guide has the following to say about dwarf barbarians:
"Although their kin usually call them berserkers, dwarf barbarians are a valuable part of many dwarven armies. Those who strike out on their
own to become adventurers do so in search of greater challenges."
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Best I can do is from the APG:
Barbarian: Although their kin usually call them berserkers, dwarf barbarians are a valuable part of many dwarven armies. Those who strike out on their own to become adventurers do so in search of greater challenges.
But I can't find anything Golarion specific for Dwarven Berserkers or or Battle Ragers. I can't see what your DM would have a problem with it, though.
nope different world entirely. I like the way the world is built. some areas compleatly open to explore, others known (mostly). That aside, why not play a dwarf "fighter" with anger issues? You know, certain things just make you so... MAD!
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Drow predate Forgotten Realms by a very long shot. I think they originate either in some Greyhawk product or even in the original Monster Manual, not sure. Either way, they are open content, and everybody is free to use them as long as you don't use the actual copyrighted content, such as Lolth or the whole spider fetish thing.
Underdark is also not a FR-only concept, since it appears in Greyhawk and Eberron (as Khyber).
Forgotten Realms is much younger than many think.
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There are PLENTY of barbarian dwarves in Golarion. Just as most humans are civilized, most dwarves are civilized. The fact that there are fewer dwarves than there are humans means that there are more human barbarians than there are dwarf barbarians... but there's also more human paladins, clerics, fighters, rogues, and every other class than there are dwarves.
NO race in Golarion is barred from being any class.
There can be dwarven barbarian tribes pretty much anywhere, but the most likely places you'd find them would be the lands of the Linnorm Kings, the Realm of the Mammoth Lords, Numeria, Five Kings Mountains, or the upper levels of the Darklands (Nar Voth).
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Ok I dont want to come off hostile or spoiling for a fight but is the Pathfinder world Forgoten Realms without the copyright infringement?
Drow, evil elves that come from the Underdark er Darklands... I know they have them in regular D&D, but didnt Drow come from FR?
And I like Playing pathfinder lol dont think I dont. Id much rather it than 3.5 or WoW&D (World of Wardungeons and Dragons as Ive read the books).
Yeah; the drow first showed up in the 1st edition module "Hall of the Fire Giant King" back around 1979 or so. They've been a part of Greyhawk ever since. Forgotten Realms came out not quite a decade later, but the drow presence there didn't really kick in until R. A. Salvatore's book "The Crystal Shard" a year or two after the Forgotten Realms launched.
The concept of "drow" itself is based on real-world mythology, although highly altered by Gary Gygax to make the race into a group of evil demon-worshiping elves.
Dwarven barbies most certainly do.
Battleragers are a 5 level PrC in the "Races of Faerun" FR setting book.
Since 3.5 is compatable with PFRPG, then they can exist, yes.
Unfortunately for you, your DM makes the final call.
But there's no reason why they can't exist.
I have played a Battlerager in non-FR games. In that game, he was the first of his kind. His backstory was, his temper was out of control, and often caused unecessary injuries to his fellow warriors while training. He was told after a few incidents that his rage was a handicap and he needed to go do some soul searching before he could take his place with his people as a defender. He left, then found and lived with a tribe of human barbarians, and learned how to control his rage, to turn his handicap into a powerful ally. His goal became how do I turn this into a fighting style, and show my people not only am I not a handicap, but a valuable ally?
He would have eventually founded the Battleragers in that campaign, had it lasted longer.
Danfarth Stonehack. I miss playing him :)
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Something about the OP, the "find a place he/she would come from" bit, seems very reasonable to me coming from a DM to a Player making a new PC.
I don't see anything wrong with a DM saying, "Sure, you can make a Thibbledorf Pwent-like chaotic Dwarf; just make sure that, since you're in a different campaign world and a new campaign, you have some background answers."
That being said, like Jacobs said earlier, in Golarion what you're looking for is as easy to find as finding candy in a candy store.
As you can see in Pathfinder.Wikia thanks to Lilith, there's plenty of places to find Dwarves. Thus, there's plenty of places to find chaotic, Barbarian Dwarves.
Pick one of those places -- Janderhoff is great, or maybe the 5 Kings Mountains -- and let your DM know your shiny new Chaotic Dwarf Barbarian is from just outside of Janderhoff on the brunt of the Cinderlands, where his clan of dwarves, friendly with the Shoanti, were recently slain by a pair of Lamia. So now your Dwarf is on his own, looking for adventure.
Best I can do is from the APG:
Barbarian: Although their kin usually call them berserkers, dwarf barbarians are a valuable part of many dwarven armies. Those who strike out on their own to become adventurers do so in search of greater challenges.But I can't find anything Golarion specific for Dwarven Berserkers or or Battle Ragers. I can't see what your DM would have a problem with it, though.
While the RPG books aren't written especially for Golarion, you can assume that everything in there fits neatly into Golarion.
Golarion is what Greyhawk was to D&D 3e (and before): The standard campaign setting. You won't get setting material in the RPG books (beyond the bare minimum, stuff like a list of major deities, for example), but when they think of new rules and feats and classes and whatever, you can be sure that they use Golarion as the backdrop to their musings.
Of course, Golarion supports just about every play stile, so it's not as if they limit themselves unduly, but you'll probably see no "Mystic ninja of the way of the wily fox" or anything in a regular RPG book, and those wouldn't fit the Inner Sea Region (which is the standard area the Pathfinder Campaign Setting's shenanigans take place in).
So if the book says something like "Dwarves often have barbarians in their armies, calling them berserkers", or "Halflings usually live alongside humans", or "Gnomes are too frikking curious for their own good", you can assume that this applies to Golarion as well.
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I think Golarion fits as "like GH" in that it's the default setting -- generic enough for anything in the Core Book (Class, Race, Alignment combos) -- like Jacobs said earlier.
I certainly agree that Golarion is far more "put together" than GH.
But I still like GH more than Golarion. Maybe just 'cuz all the years of GH. Or maybe cuz it's easier to type out GH or FR than it is to type Golarion.
Whatever.
why on earth would your DM say no to a barbarian dwarf? Does he also not allow halfling paladins, and gnome fighters?He said that the Dwqarves in the region are Lawful so no.
Then again, my Orc Barbarian got a no as well cause most of the group are Elves. Coulds be he doesnt like em, but he did leave the caveat, so Im taking advantage of it, or trying to anywaysLiz, your link has two periods
Does he not allow human paladins since humans are neutral? Are there no human serial killers because none of them are evil? Does he not allow any PC races to worship Asmodeus (even if they are only NPCs) because none of them are evil?
The Land of the linnorm Kings has Dwarven Skalds (Bards), and the Trait for Dwarves - Frostborn giving bonuses vs cold, and such, and the Land of the Linnorm Kings is very big on Barbarian Dwarves... There is also a Trait for Dwarven Bards(Skalds) for up there...
Thats where I get my Dwarven Barbarians from ;)
I would be leary of saying that Gallorion is the Greyhawk of Pathfinder.
What I meant with Golarion being Pathfinder's Greyhawk was that it's the standard setting, i.e. whenever they need to use anything from a setting, they take stuff from the Pathfinder (Chronicles) setting and file off the serial numbers, just as they did with GH in D&D (though they did it more in D&D).
I don't know enough about GH to comment on any other similarities, but there is one big difference: GH is a thing of the past, while Golarion has a bright future ahead of itself.
it shouldn't be too hard to adapt the BattleRager prestige class to the game.
I'd say it should be unnecessary. The barbarian class is perfectly fine and well-suited for dwarven berserkers, battleragers, barbarians, or whatever.
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GH is a thing of the past
I don't necessarily know about that. Greyhawk has risen "From the Ashes" numerous times before. Let's also not forget that it has the largest nostalgia value of any campaign setting...it was the first campaign setting published by TSR, and it was the one created by Gary Gygax. I don't know if WotC intents to do anything with it at this point in time, but I'd wager they do something with it eventually.
I'd be amazing if WotC sold the rights to Greyhawk to Paizo. I think the Paizo staff have a bit of a soft spot for the setting...they never did any Forgotten Realms or Ebberon adventure paths, after all.
NO race in Golarion is barred from being any class.
Woohoo! I am gonna play storm giant rogue next game!
With leadership and a Barbarian Nixie for cohort!
GH is a thing of the pastI don't necessarily know about that. Greyhawk has risen "From the Ashes" numerous times before.
I don't think wizards is in any hurry to put out books for that setting. It's pretty much a generic fantasy setting, and they already have the realms for that.
And, as a GH fan I would hope they don't do any more Greyhawk books for some time. GH doesn't fit 4e, and look what they did to the Realms....
I don't know if WotC intents to do anything with it at this point in time, but I'd wager they do something with it eventually.
Unfortunately, eventually is measured in aeons.
I'd be amazing if WotC sold the rights to Greyhawk to Paizo. I think the Paizo staff have a bit of a soft spot for the setting...they never did any Forgotten Realms or Ebberon adventure paths, after all.
While Paizo has a huge soft spot for GH I think, they wouldn't have the manpower to do anything much with it. I think this came up before, and Paizo commented that they focus on the Pathfinder setting. And I'd say if they ever did another setting, it would not be another vanilla setting just like Chronicles. Having numerous similar settings competing with each other was what spelled TSR's doom apparently...
NO race in Golarion is barred from being any class.
Woohoo! I am gonna play storm giant rogue next game!
With leadership and a Barbarian Nixie for cohort!
Well, first: While storm giants can be any class, players can't usually be any race they want. Personally, even if I allowed it, I'd count its HD as its effective level, meaning a storm giant rogue 1 would be in the same party as 20th-level characters of the other races.
And second: Weak. No match for my rune giant ninja!
Are there any plans for Paizo to come out with an official Battlerager playable class? My DM let me play one in D&D 3.5 with a build that I found on the web and it was a blast, but I think if I tried to play one again, he would want something PF sanctioned....
Are there any plans for Paizo to come out with an official Battlerager playable class? My DM let me play one in D&D 3.5 with a build that I found on the web and it was a blast, but I think if I tried to play one again, he would want something PF sanctioned....
Have you tried the barbarian?
WotC's latest 4th Ed book, "Mordenkainen's Magnificent Emporium," has lots of flavor text written by Mordy and obviously set in classic Greyhawk instead of Points-of-Light-World, although it's made clear that the text has more or less fallen into PoLW from somewhere else.
Are there any plans for Paizo to come out with an official Battlerager playable class? My DM let me play one in D&D 3.5 with a build that I found on the web and it was a blast, but I think if I tried to play one again, he would want something PF sanctioned....Have you tried the barbarian?
Yes, but I am looking for something that will allow you to give up the fast movement and the light armor restrictions and be a heavy-armored Dwarven tank that rages until all enemies are gone before him!
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Even if theyre known by another name.
Barbarian Dwarves are what Im talking about.I wanted to make a Barbarian Dwarf in the game Im playing and the DM said no but with a caveat.
"Unless you can find a place he/she would come from. Youd need to do some homework"So Im trying that. Asking here first, then going onto Google and searching the net. I dont have any books other than the Core and Advanced Players Guide so I dont know the backstory of the realm, and wouldnt know where to start.
So I need some help please.
Count yourself lucky! James Jacob himself has done the homework for you! LOL!
I totally understand where your DM is coming from though. He's trying to have a "typical Golarion" experience, and share the world with the players, and trying to have the players come up with plausible characters.
While dwarf barbarians are fine, in Golarion, you may have a better barbarian experience if you play an Ulfen or Kellid human, as there is a wealth of lore to support your character choice.
A great player can make "any" character memorable though. I know a great charismatic player that always gravitate towards party leader, whether he plays a 7 Cha fighter or 19 Cha bard, because he brings theatrics to the game table and he "actively" plays the game, with great energy, as opposed to the tired, bored-looking reactive players.
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Yes, but I am looking for something that will allow you to give up the fast movement and the light armor restrictions and be a heavy-armored Dwarven tank that rages until all enemies are gone before him!
Armored Hulk from Ultimate Combat. Specialize in grappling and spiked armor and you're done.
Horns of Valhalla on Golarion summon berserker dwarves (Adventurer's Armory). I guess they don't summon them from FR.
Yes, but I am looking for something that will allow you to give up the fast movement and the light armor restrictions and be a heavy-armored Dwarven tank that rages until all enemies are gone before him!Armored Hulk from Ultimate Combat. Specialize in grappling and spiked armor and you're done.
Thanks Mark! That is exactly what I am looking for!