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You sure that life of killing sentient beings and constantly almost dying horribly in world where lot of different beings are able to inflict fate worse than death upon you sounds like fine life? :D Along with apocalyptic world ending threats and living on planet that is basically a can for universe ending worm
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If I had that option... why would I come back? I'd move to Sandpoint and become a goblin hunter!
What works best as goblin bate? Dogs? Horses? Written words? (provoking them)
... Gunpoweder?
I'm curious. I'd think it'd be fun if my PCs were to find something or carry around something that Goblins would hunt the party for. Like, ambushing the party for the sole purpose of destroying the wagon full of books they just recovered, or something like that.
Have you watched Local Hero? (The movie with Burt Reynolds and a young Peter Capaldi among the cast members, to avoid confusion, since it seems like it'd be a title that's been used more than once.)
Will we find out what the final hardcover book this year is at Paizo Con or before that?
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Hey James,
I have a serious question this time.
I have read in several places that Chaotic religions ore outlawed in Cheliax. So what is the punishment if you are found out to be faithful such religion?
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If you did permanently jump to Golarion, and you knew you were being given one shot at life there, and got to transform (I don't know, through interdimensional customs or some such) into a race and class what would they be?
PROBABLY an elven bard.
Have you ever played in a "you-be-you" game/campaign?
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You sure that life of killing sentient beings and constantly almost dying horribly in world where lot of different beings are able to inflict fate worse than death upon you sounds like fine life? :D Along with apocalyptic world ending threats and living on planet that is basically a can for universe ending worm
There's more to Golarion than murder and apocalypse. And at times, depending on my day or mood and on world events... absolutely I think Golarion'd be a better place to live.
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If I had that option... why would I come back? I'd move to Sandpoint and become a goblin hunter!What works best as goblin bate? Dogs? Horses? Written words? (provoking them)
... Gunpoweder?
I'm curious. I'd think it'd be fun if my PCs were to find something or carry around something that Goblins would hunt the party for. Like, ambushing the party for the sole purpose of destroying the wagon full of books they just recovered, or something like that.
Dogs, probably.
Goblins would LOVE gunpowder if they saw it.
And goblins are evil and crazy. Pretty much ANYTHING is an excuse for them to attack a caravan. So... make it something tragic for them to wreck... like a load of beautiful paintings. Or maybe several crates of puppies.
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Hey James,
I have a serious question this time.
I have read in several places that Chaotic religions ore outlawed in Cheliax. So what is the punishment if you are found out to be faithful such religion?
Depends on the religion and the extent. In some cases, a fine or a few days imprisonment or hard labor are enough, in a case where it's a minor worshiper of a non-confrontational chaotic deity like Cayden Cailean. But in a case where you're an actual cleric of a rabble-rouser like Desna or Milani, or an anarchist like Rovagug or Gorum... life imprisinmont or death by torture (aka "excruciation") or mind control/forced religion change are the most common; best you could look forward to is exile, if you're LUCKY.
Depends on the religion and the extent. In some cases, a fine or a few days imprisonment or hard labor are enough, in a case where it's a minor worshiper of a non-confrontational chaotic deity like Cayden Cailean. But in a case where you're an actual cleric of a rabble-rouser like Desna or Milani, or an anarchist like Rovagug or Gorum... life imprisinmont or death by torture (aka "excruciation") or mind control/forced religion change are the most common; best you could look forward to is exile, if you're LUCKY.Hey James,
I have a serious question this time.
I have read in several places that Chaotic religions ore outlawed in Cheliax. So what is the punishment if you are found out to be faithful such religion?
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** spoiler omitted **Depends on the religion and the extent. In some cases, a fine or a few days imprisonment or hard labor are enough, in a case where it's a minor worshiper of a non-confrontational chaotic deity like Cayden Cailean. But in a case where you're an actual cleric of a rabble-rouser like Desna or Milani, or an anarchist like Rovagug or Gorum... life imprisinmont or death by torture (aka "excruciation") or mind control/forced religion change are the most common; best you could look forward to is exile, if you're LUCKY.Hey James,
I have a serious question this time.
I have read in several places that Chaotic religions ore outlawed in Cheliax. So what is the punishment if you are found out to be faithful such religion?
Not quite. Demon worshipers would go to the Abyss. DEVIL worshipers go to Hell.
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You've never heard of feral children?If being left alone for 7 years resulted in insanity of some sort, yes. If the child was sane but merely uneducated and ignorant of the world, no, the spell would not magically impart to the child all that knowledge.Mr. James Jacobs,
Greater restoration has been stated to be able to cure insanity and genetic disease. Could greater restoration could be used to heal the mind of a child left alone in a closet for the first 7 years of her life?
They generally don't turn out well, Disney and Burrough stories to the contrary.
If I'm not mistaken, all the spell will do is restore a mind as to what it would be developed in those conditions. The mind of such a child would already be in it's normal state, no?
And a greater restoration would indeed cure the madness and insanity part of their problems, but would do nothing to help them integrate into society. A kid who spends the first 7 years of life in a closet wouldn't have a spell magically impart to her mind what the sky is, for example, but that spell might likely make her less likely to go insane or freak out upon seeing the sky for the first time.
The mind of a child kept locked in a closet, in other words, would be restored to normal state... but she'd still have no knowledge or memories or anything about what exists OUTSIDE of the closet. That kind of thing is beyond the scope of the spell.
If I had that option... why would I come back? I'd move to Sandpoint and become a goblin hunter!What works best as goblin bate? Dogs? Horses? Written words? (provoking them)
... Gunpoweder?
I'm curious. I'd think it'd be fun if my PCs were to find something or carry around something that Goblins would hunt the party for. Like, ambushing the party for the sole purpose of destroying the wagon full of books they just recovered, or something like that.
Dogs, probably.
Goblins would LOVE gunpowder if they saw it.
And goblins are evil and crazy. Pretty much ANYTHING is an excuse for them to attack a caravan. So... make it something tragic for them to wreck... like a load of beautiful paintings. Or maybe several crates of puppies.
Hmm... perhaps an encounter with an underground dog fighting circuit and they rescue a bunch of puppies that were being bred for combat...
Depends on the religion and the extent. In some cases, a fine or a few days imprisonment or hard labor are enough, in a case where it's a minor worshiper of a non-confrontational chaotic deity like Cayden Cailean. But in a case where you're an actual cleric of a rabble-rouser like Desna or Milani, or an anarchist like Rovagug or Gorum... life imprisinmont or death by torture (aka "excruciation") or mind control/forced religion change are the most common; best you could look forward to is exile, if you're LUCKY.Hey James,
I have a serious question this time.
I have read in several places that Chaotic religions ore outlawed in Cheliax. So what is the punishment if you are found out to be faithful such religion?
Wow that is kinda lighter than I thought it would be...for the non-confrontational chaotic deity.
What about for a Calistria worshiper? Where does she fall?
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There's more to Golarion than murder and apocalypse. And at times, depending on my day or mood and on world events... absolutely I think Golarion'd be a better place to live.
Wow, thats cynical. I mean, Golarion is better even with all demons/devils/daemons/qilippoths and tentacle horrors from beyond the stars? Harsh man
Though honestly, maybe I'm just weird when it comes to escapism. What would make Golarion be better place for pacifistic(fighting is cool though, but I'm type of the guy who plays rpgs as non violently as possible even when I don't plan to) loner who wants friends and that flu cure would be a easy thing?
(also lack of video games, comics, cartoons, movies, role playing games, etc would make me sad)
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Not quite. Demon worshipers would go to the Abyss. DEVIL worshipers go to Hell.** spoiler omitted **Depends on the religion and the extent. In some cases, a fine or a few days imprisonment or hard labor are enough, in a case where it's a minor worshiper of a non-confrontational chaotic deity like Cayden Cailean. But in a case where you're an actual cleric of a rabble-rouser like Desna or Milani, or an anarchist like Rovagug or Gorum... life imprisinmont or death by torture (aka "excruciation") or mind control/forced religion change are the most common; best you could look forward to is exile, if you're LUCKY.Hey James,
I have a serious question this time.
I have read in several places that Chaotic religions ore outlawed in Cheliax. So what is the punishment if you are found out to be faithful such religion?
I think he's referring to something like how the various demon cults can wrongly condemn souls to their lord's realm.
Sort of like the malediction spell from Princes of Darkness (if the victim fails a save, there's a window where their soul immediately goes to Hell if they die.)
Asmodeus is an odd god - can you picture Asmodeus receiving the soul of another god's worshiper and just sending it to Pharasma's court for proper processing? If he was on speaking terms with the soul's god, anyways...
"This soul got misfiled. I'm returning it. We both know you'll pay me back."
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Wow that is kinda lighter than I thought it would be...for the non-confrontational chaotic deity.
What about for a Calistria worshiper? Where does she fall?
It's examples, not the ONLY ones. Thrune has plenty of ways to escalate a punishment.
A Calistrian would be somewhere between Milani and Cayden. More toward Milani if they caught her getting revenge on a Thrunie.
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I just read an article showing how the wealthy elite have systematically crushed the will of American youth with student debt, consumerism and the thuggish responses to peaceful protest. Is there ANY hope left in this world? :(
There's always hope. Nothing is forever.
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@Archpaladin Zousha: Take it from someone who's been literally obsessing over this sort of thing continually for the past 15 years - I think we're in the turning point now.
Dear James,
The old Adventurer's Armory mentions a board game called "Perils & Pitfalls" that is popular among Chelaxian nobility and carries political consequences for players.
Was this, by chance, intended as a twisted reference to Jack Chick's claim that RPGs were a way for Devil-worshippers to sort out wheat from chaff in their recruitment efforts ("Blackleaf, you failed to detect the poison trap - I pronounce you DEAD!")?
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There's more to Golarion than murder and apocalypse. And at times, depending on my day or mood and on world events... absolutely I think Golarion'd be a better place to live.Wow, thats cynical. I mean, Golarion is better even with all demons/devils/daemons/qilippoths and tentacle horrors from beyond the stars? Harsh man
Though honestly, maybe I'm just weird when it comes to escapism. What would make Golarion be better place for pacifistic(fighting is cool though, but I'm type of the guy who plays rpgs as non violently as possible even when I don't plan to) loner who wants friends and that flu cure would be a easy thing?
(also lack of video games, comics, cartoons, movies, role playing games, etc would make me sad)
It is indeed cynical. I've got a fair amount of cynicism bouncing around in my head as it works out... but after 43 years, the world's been pretty generous on putting that cynicism in my head in the first place! :P
And yes, I think Golarion might be better, even with all those monsters out there. Because as much monsters as there are... the world has a LOT of beauty and good. For ever qlippoth there's an azata. For every Rovagug there's a Sarenrae. Plus... magical healing and wishes and being able to fly and all that? Pretty dang compelling.
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I think he's referring to something like how the various demon cults can wrongly condemn souls to their lord's realm.
Sort of like the malediction spell from Princes of Darkness (if the victim fails a save, there's a window where their soul immediately goes to Hell if they die.)
Asmodeus is an odd god - can you picture Asmodeus receiving the soul of another god's worshiper and just sending it to Pharasma's court for proper processing? If he was on speaking terms with the soul's god, anyways...
"This soul got misfiled. I'm returning it. We both know you'll pay me back."
ANY evil cult can send a soul to the wrong domain by sacrifice. Demon cults, devil cults, and the rest.
What I was pointing out was that demons and devils and their cults are VERY different things in Golarion, PARTICULARLY in Cheliax. There are no demon cultists who worship Asmodeus.
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@Archpaladin Zousha: Take it from someone who's been literally obsessing over this sort of thing continually for the past 15 years - I think we're in the turning point now.
Dear James,
The old Adventurer's Armory mentions a board game called "Perils & Pitfalls" that is popular among Chelaxian nobility and carries political consequences for players.
Was this, by chance, intended as a twisted reference to Jack Chick's claim that RPGs were a way for Devil-worshippers to sort out wheat from chaff in their recruitment efforts ("Blackleaf, you failed to detect the poison trap - I pronounce you DEAD!")?
As far as I know it's a vague reference to the game "Snakes and Ladders," but played more extremely, and with real-world consequences. Basically, a variant on the old story of the gambler who bids a finger or a hand or whatever in a high stakes game.
ANY evil cult can send a soul to the wrong domain by sacrifice. Demon cults, devil cults, and the rest.
What I was pointing out was that demons and devils and their cults are VERY different things in Golarion, PARTICULARLY in Cheliax. There are no demon cultists who worship Asmodeus.
Sorry, I suppose I didn't communicate clearly, as that wasn't what I was trying to imply at all.
... the canvas on the scaffold falls away to reveal the Instruments of Judgment.
In the center is a blazing furnace in the shape of a three-faced devil. From each of its gaping jaws juts a bramble of iron implements: knives, spears, chains, rods, brands, and most conspicuous of all the Tines of Cheliax. Each is a two-pronged fork sized for a stone giant, and today there are two of them.
Arrayed between the furnaces are racks of torture devices retrieved from every civilized nation on Golarion, and several not so civilized. The spiked cages of Geb are a crowd favorite, and two of them already hold prisoners. One is a fat man who begins screaming the moment he is revealed, while the other is pock-faced Gellius Bonner, the Butcher of Merrow Lane.
If it were for the murders alone, Bonner might have met his Judgment at the edge of an axe or, if it were only one or two killings, in hard labor for a decade. The devilworshiping
lords of Cheliax, however, do not suffer the denizens of the Abyss in the city. For consorting with demons, Bonner earned his special voyage to Hell.
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“Look here,” the boss beckons to the guard. Together they kneel beside the corpse, and Jeggare indicates the marks on her lips and nose. He takes a candle from the dressing table and directs the guard to hold it up while he pries open Drulia’s jaw. A lump of what looks like red-black stone tumbles out of her mouth, seething with a vermillion haze. The guard reaches for it, but Jeggare stops his hand.
“Don’t touch it,” he says. “That appears to be a hell coal.”
The guard recoils from the stone. “A what?”
The boss peers into Drulia’s mouth, and I briefly glimpse the raw, meaty pit that has been seared out of her skull before he lays her head back. “A tool used by certain devils, or their servants, to destroy the eternal spirits of mortal beings.”
... and,
I tell him the story about her gambling. When I get to the part where Zandros the Fair bought up her debts and forced her to alter legal contracts with her magical calligraphy, Jeggare turns to face me. He can tell by my expression that I know how serious her crime is. In Egorian, killers go to the salt mines. Forgers go to Hell.
... all make it seem like damnation to hell is the punishment within Cheliax (or at least Egorian) to those who serve demons.
The existence of an Ebon Acolytus (found in the bestiary of AP 6) just seems to confirm that such things are not only possible but probable for explicit crimes.
That was what I meant.
I still might be misreading, but the implications seemed like there were enough tools and elements to be able to damn specific criminals (namely demonic cultists and forgers) to Hell, regardless of their actual alignment or supposed rewards. Made Cheliax (or, again, at least Egorian) much more monstrous in that regard, more, well, Hellish.
So was I just misreading? Was that just fluff-text? Or do the laws lean that way to use such devices and magic to force that?
Also, while reading through the AP to find those quotes, I came across the entry for the Lar, again, and I just have to say: I LOVE THE LAR. Oh, my word, that what an awesome creature! Did you come up with that, or someone else (and if so, do you know who)? What was the inspiration?
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Maybe someday we'll create a book that's more about stories about the gods, but since that type of book would have very little game play mechanics, it's a MUCH harder book to sell to management than one that appeals to lots of players.
How about putting myths and legends (like stories about the gods) as the fiction in an AP? Rather than the "contemporary" stuff you do now.
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Mini article on a cave with a jungle growing inside.
It's just itching to be a prehistoric adventuring site, isn't it?
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...ANY evil cult can send a soul to the wrong domain by sacrifice. Demon cults, devil cults, and the rest.
What I was pointing out was that demons and devils and their cults are VERY different things in Golarion, PARTICULARLY in Cheliax. There are no demon cultists who worship Asmodeus.
Sorry, I suppose I didn't communicate clearly, as that wasn't what I was trying to imply at all.
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Damnation to Hell is indeed an option. Not the only one.
Awesome. Thanks!
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How about putting myths and legends (like stories about the gods) as the fiction in an AP? Rather than the "contemporary" stuff you do now.
Maybe someday we'll create a book that's more about stories about the gods, but since that type of book would have very little game play mechanics, it's a MUCH harder book to sell to management than one that appeals to lots of players.
I prefer putting myths and legends all over the place, frankly. They OFTEN show up in adventures. And that lets ME make sure they're "right," since I develop the adventures. I really don't have a lot to do with the actual production of the fiction, and as such I'd rather not start revealing key load-bearing deity mythology in there that often.
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Mini article on a cave with a jungle growing inside.
It's just itching to be a prehistoric adventuring site, isn't it?
Yes.
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How did the current dualist paradigm of paladin vs. antipaladin come to be? Was there ever a discussion on whether to include two more 'alignment champions' to cover the remaining alignment extremes? (Plus a fifth for true neutrality, I guess, if a case can be made for 'zeal in moderation'.)
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As far as I know it's a vague reference to the game "Snakes and Ladders," but played more extremely, and with real-world consequences. Basically, a variant on the old story of the gambler who bids a finger or a hand or whatever in a high stakes game.
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How did the current dualist paradigm of paladin vs. antipaladin come to be? Was there ever a discussion on whether to include two more 'alignment champions' to cover the remaining alignment extremes? (Plus a fifth for true neutrality, I guess, if a case can be made for 'zeal in moderation'.)
+1 to this; I liked the Paladins of Honor/Tyranny/Freedom/Slaughter setup from 3.5 Unearthed Arcana setup best, so far (though the Holy Liberator prestige class wasn't bad, either).
As stands, the Pathfinder Antipaladin looks a lot like it was taken from here, which I believe was published before the Advanced Player's Guide....
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How did the current dualist paradigm of paladin vs. antipaladin come to be? Was there ever a discussion on whether to include two more 'alignment champions' to cover the remaining alignment extremes? (Plus a fifth for true neutrality, I guess, if a case can be made for 'zeal in moderation'.)
It came to be first in the earlier edition of the game, where the idea of an antipaladin as the opposite of a paladin first appeared.
And a HUGE part of the reason we went with it was nostalgia.
There was never a discussion of it being anything other than chaotic evil, really.
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How did the current dualist paradigm of paladin vs. antipaladin come to be? Was there ever a discussion on whether to include two more 'alignment champions' to cover the remaining alignment extremes? (Plus a fifth for true neutrality, I guess, if a case can be made for 'zeal in moderation'.)+1 to this; I liked the Paladins of Honor/Tyranny/Freedom/Slaughter setup from 3.5 Unearthed Arcana setup best, so far (though the Holy Liberator prestige class wasn't bad, either).
As stands, the Pathfinder Antipaladin looks a lot like it was taken from here, which I believe was published before the Advanced Player's Guide....
And no... I suspect Paths of Power took the same sort of inspiration we did by looking at 1st edition and then just "oppositing" the current paladin. If we HAD used that book, we would have cited it in the OGL for the APG.
what happens to a character soul when he is turned into a zombie
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Does "Askstenn" or "Askstennar" sound like something Kellid parents would name their kid?"Askstenn" sounds like "Ask Stenn" from Dragon Age.
"Askstennar" sounds too much like Alkenstar.
It's a magic stone from Swedish folklore said to be made when lightning strikes the earth that's used to drive away and summon storms.
My struggle to find a Kellid-sounding name that doesn't sound like a caveman continues. -_-
If a dragon (either forced or voluntarily) became a grave knight, would it look like a Ravener wearing plate? How would you stat that up?