So, I'm seeing a lot of this pattern anymore:
Poster One: "I'm stating my opinion of X, which I believe to be the case from my experience."
Poster Two: (Realizing that Poster One obviously hasn't been properly trained in what the general internet consensus on the topic is according to RPG forums) "Hah, that was really funny, that opinion you just had. Which is to say that your opinion is so wrong that it is amusing, but what I really mean is that your opinion is so wrong that you deserve to be ridiculed, in public. And the reason I know you are wrong is not just that I've had different experience than you, but because I've spent more time reading the right internet forums about RPGs and found a bunch of people that agree with me, and thus I have the weight of internet behind me.
So basically, even though you stated your opinion without really being confrontational or rude, since I can prove you are wrong by my standard of rightness, I'm going to try and trash you and hope that others of my ilk will back me up, because nothing makes for a strong internet community like trying to kill off the weak or at least drive them from the internet, even if the definition of weak is, anyone that disagrees with me."
So, seriously, can we maybe not ridicule someone's opinion just because general internet logic seems to be against their statement?
Since we're talking about stopping things now, I'd like to petition Gary or Ross to added the term "weak sauce" to the language filter.
-Skeld
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Oh, weak sauce probably comes from the same place as "awesome with a side of awesome sauce".
It's a cute coined phrase that's overstayed its welcome.
Yeah, its hella lame.
I'm sorry, I'm better than that.
No . . . I'm not.
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It is said that what is called the Spirit of an Age
is something to which one cannot return.
That this spirit gradually dissipates is due to the world's coming to an
end.
In the same way, a single year does not have just spring or summer.
A single day, too, is the same.
For this reason, although one would like to change today's world
back to the spirit of one hundred years or more ago, it cannot be done.
Thus it is important to make the best out of every generation.
hagakure......."hidden among lulz"
Gishsauce smells bad.
Someone asked for gishsauce?
Oh, weak sauce probably comes from the same place as "awesome with a side of awesome sauce".
It's a cute coined phrase that's overstayed its welcome.
I have never heard anybody ever say that. And... yeah where ever it comes from, it should probably stay.
Being helpful is more important than being clever or hateful.
Sebastian, perhaps you need to reread Daigle's post. Of course, it doesn't apply to me, because he said, "or," not "AND." If you can't be helpful, clever, and hateful, maybe you should go get people to stop saying impactful and gish, which would be helpful. Or you can help me get my mind around the phrase "internet logic"...
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Over on Television Without Pity, a site *devoted* to snarky banter and egregious displays of nerdrage, there's a funny little 'rule' not to start a post with 'Um.'
It's been clinically proven that a post starting with 'Um,' is going to be snotty and start a fight, so they banned it. :)
My pet peeve is people saying, 'I'm sorry, but...' when they go on to rip the person they are replying to a new one, making it pretty darn clear they are not even in the same universe as 'sorry,' being closer to 'squirming in my seat with glee at this opportunity to verbally excoriate some dude on a message board, bringing out my very bestest snark and the wittiest 'burns' I've ever read someone cleverer than myself use.'
Replies of 'No, just no. And also? No.' are also great examples of a singular wit.
And by singular, I mean one.
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Being helpful is more important than being clever or hateful.Sebastian, perhaps you need to reread Daigle's post. Of course, it doesn't apply to me, because he said, "or," not "AND." If you can't be helpful, clever, and hateful, maybe you should go get people to stop saying impactful and gish, which would be helpful. Or you can help me get my mind around the phrase "internet logic"...
Um, No. Just No. Also,
Knock, knock
No, just no.
AHAHAHAHA!
Edit: That made me so happy, I want to give you something.
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KnightErrantJR - I too am sick to death of the impoliteness and disrespect. Posters hide behind the semi-anonymity of an internet message board to state the most obnoxious and rude things imaginable toward other posters. The kind of statments that if we were together in a coffee shop would get you rightly punched in the face for saying so. Frankly I'm sick of it and avoid many Paizo forums because I refuse to endure the childish rudeness of some posters. I have been close to complaining several times to the administrator, but have considered so far that churlish boors should be suffered gladly and are not worth the trouble. My good friend Daigle has said it well, "Being helpful is more important than being clever or hateful." It's time we started shouting down rude comments declaring them for what they are: unacceptable on our message boards!
it will be alright if we all speak with conviction!
Gishsauce smells bad.
But it tastes great on me!
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Sorry to jack the thread there, but I couldn't help it.
I absolutely agree.
Normally, when I see someone treat another in such a way, the "valiant defender" light clicks on and I find myself fighting with the rude individual because of their actions. I will admit, I rarely post here anymore, so I am not sure if I am in the position to really condemn the actions of others. Part of that reason was the kind of rudeness I saw exhibited by some posters I had not previously seen on these boards before. I make it a point to avoid nearly all of the Pathfinder RPG forums (especially the rules forum) because it appears such rudeness is bandied about as a matter of course.
Of course, it is possible that this is mostly perception on my part, so I am sure it is not as bad as I assume. But I do carry that prejudice concerning that part of these boards.
I have found it is best just to be silent about the situation, which doesn't help the poor person who is getting beat on. If I do post, I try to engage the actual point presented by the original poster and praise them in some way, even if it is to say they have an interesting idea. If the situation is one where the statement does have a wrong or right answer, simply pointing that out in a polite, friendly manner is the only way to go, in my opinion.
I cannot comprehend people who find the need to be rude. This is true of any venue in life. Even if you think you have reason, being rude is hardly the way to handle it. That always exacerbates the problem and does not lead to resolution. Somehow I think some have forgotten that those strangers around us are human beings as well. They deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.
This place was/can be/is still a great home for those who enjoy Paizo's products. I just don't have solutions, unfortunately.
Gishsauce smells bad.But it tastes great on me!
I hate to tell you this... but Gishsauce is made from fermented Gish Fish.
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The Paizo community is good at keeping this to a minimum, in general, but there are a handful that I often note who are merely here to hide behind the internet and insult others. I don't know if it is just their nature to want to debate every single thing, or whether they get some sort of rush of power.
The problem is that by developing the reputation of being obnoxious on the boards, you pretty much burn all bridges if you ever want to step out from behind your online persona, and be part of the real-world community. I know that if you ever show up at PaizoCon, people are going to remember that YOU are THAT jerk.
General rule is if you wouldn't say it to someone's face, don't say it on the internet.
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I'd love it if people could conduct themselves as respectful members of a community. Yes I know I've lost my cool a few times, I take the blame for that. I think too many of the, well the trolls, are so wrapped up in their own arrogance, that they feel threatened if presented with any opinion that doesn't reinforce their own. It's why I seldom leave the FAWTL thread, it doesn't matter where you stand on pretty much any topic, you "leave it at the door", so to speak.
Of course, out here in the open, our feuds resume, Moorluck.
Seriously, you guys raise some points about behavior that it is all good for us to be reminded of, from time to time.
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You may want to use a sledgehammer here, I can be pretty damn hardheaded. :PI know that if you ever show up at PaizoCon, people are going to remember that YOU are THAT jerk.
Hmmm...head trauma causes memory loss, right?
Hmmm...maybe there's a DIY lobotomy kit out there somewhere...
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Hmmm...maybe there's a DIY lobotomy kit out there somewhere...
There is. Do not Google it. Also, do not click this link
Being helpful is more important than being clever or hateful.
I believe my answer above is an example of helpfulness, with plenty of cleverness and hatefulness. :D
Eeew. Just hovering was enough to keep me from doing it.
Edit: Also, Cosmo, when you're done with my schtick, please put it back in my old footlocker.
I hate to tell you this... but Gishsauce is made from fermented Gish Fish.Gishsauce smells bad.But it tastes great on me!
<shocked silence>
<leaves the room with a trail of water behind him>
What pisses me off is that this type of response is my shtick! All you posers need to back off and find your own gimmick.
Yeah, but your comedic timing is better. Plus you worked out that algorithm of how many posts of lying low it takes before someone is psychologically flat footed so you can make your shots count more.
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Eeew. Just hovering was enough to keep me from doing it.
Edit: Also, Cosmo, when you're done with my schtick, please put it back in my old footlocker.
You should be more trusting of people's links. Like this one.
Hmmm...maybe there's a DIY lobotomy kit out there somewhere...
{zips over to Amazon.com, orders the pony a copy of Trepanning for Dummies}
(rolls through)
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So, I'm seeing a lot of this pattern anymore:
Poster One: "I'm stating my opinion of X, which I believe to be the case from my experience."
Poster Two: (Realizing that Poster One obviously hasn't been properly trained in what the general internet consensus on the topic is according to RPG forums) "Hah, that was really funny, that opinion you just had. Which is to say that your opinion is so wrong that it is amusing, but what I really mean is that your opinion is so wrong that you deserve to be ridiculed, in public. And the reason I know you are wrong is not just that I've had different experience than you, but because I've spent more time reading the right internet forums about RPGs and found a bunch of people that agree with me, and thus I have the weight of internet behind me.
So basically, even though you stated your opinion without really being confrontational or rude, since I can prove you are wrong by my standard of rightness, I'm going to try and trash you and hope that others of my ilk will back me up, because nothing makes for a strong internet community like trying to kill off the weak or at least drive them from the internet, even if the definition of weak is, anyone that disagrees with me."
So, seriously, can we maybe not ridicule someone's opinion just because general internet logic seems to be against their statement?
OMG this whole complaint reeks of weaksauce. You do realize there's freedom of speach right? People should be able to use arguments to make you change your mind especially if you've proven with your description of events that your experiences are full of fail because you're doing it wrong. You need to leave and not come back until you understand how the internet works...
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My Roomate
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This thread is a forum troll's dream.
Huh! What?
I'm awake, I'm awake... wasn't sleeping, just resting the eyes while doing some math in my head.
i am here too
This thread is a forum troll's dream.Huh! What?
I'm awake, I'm awake... wasn't sleeping, just resting the eyes while doing some math in my head.
Oooh, look, somebody ordered me some take out.
My pet peeve is people saying, 'I'm sorry, but...' when they go on to rip the person they are replying to a new one, making it pretty darn clear they are not even in the same universe as 'sorry,' being closer to 'squirming in my seat with glee at this opportunity to verbally excoriate some dude on a message board, bringing out my very bestest snark and the wittiest 'burns' I've ever read someone cleverer than myself use.'
I'll confess I was guilty of this, on one occasion. Hey, what can I say? I felt a certain passion for the subject. But I'll try to avoid doing this in the future.
What *I* hate is the fact that I actually agree with so many of the biggest offenders. So many people out there post messages expressing views with which I wholehearted agree, and they back up their arguments with good, solid facts and research that show that they know just what they're talking about...
...but they ruin their arguments with lines like "you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Learn about the subject before you post." Or far worse lines that I don't dare put into writing.
It's infuriating. I want to write in with my support of those people's views, but I don't want to be associated with a troll! I can't even enter a debate once I read a post like that in it.
If your opponent in a debate doesn't know what (s)he's talking about, that will become clear to the readers. Talking that kind of trash won't make your argument more convincing. In fact, it can even have the reverse effect.
I believe that being nice to other people is never a bad thing (there could be some corner cases that I just can't think of where this doesn't apply, but anywho..) and being rude and putting other people down for having a different view than your own is kind of silly...
You forgot to put [JTK] [/JTK].