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I see that page 45 of the final playtest document refers to Pathfinder Bestiary II. Does this suggest it will be released around the same time as the Advanced Players Guide?Given that there are varying definitions of the word "around," I'll go with "yes."
Woo-hoo! July? August? September? Vic, can't you spill *anything* [more] about the release date for Beastiary II?
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Woo-hoo! July? August? September? Vic, can't you spill *anything* [more] about the release date for Beastiary II?I see that page 45 of the final playtest document refers to Pathfinder Bestiary II. Does this suggest it will be released around the same time as the Advanced Players Guide?Given that there are varying definitions of the word "around," I'll go with "yes."
I can spill that full spillage is imminent...
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I can spill that full spillage is imminent...Woo-hoo! July? August? September? Vic, can't you spill *anything* [more] about the release date for Beastiary II?I see that page 45 of the final playtest document refers to Pathfinder Bestiary II. Does this suggest it will be released around the same time as the Advanced Players Guide?Given that there are varying definitions of the word "around," I'll go with "yes."
Ooh... you're a shameless tease! Will there be previews from the book? When? :)
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Jason,
Did we lose the 'extra head' evolution you said you'd been mulling over? I'm still thinking of a cerberus type Eidelon with 3 heads, but with no evolution to allow it, it's mostly just for show (a multi-head evolution should theoretically give it a boost to perception, allow breath evolution to be purchased multiple times, etc). Or did I just miss it in the evolutions somehow?
Jason,
Did we lose the 'extra head' evolution you said you'd been mulling over? I'm still thinking of a cerberus type Eidelon with 3 heads, but with no evolution to allow it, it's mostly just for show (a multi-head evolution should theoretically give it a boost to perception, allow breath evolution to be purchased multiple times, etc). Or did I just miss it in the evolutions somehow?
This. The eidolon doesn't feel complete without the ability to get extra heads/bites.
Since it doesn't specify, is the reach evolution stackable? I.e. can you give your eidolon a tentacle attack with 15' reach by adding the reach evolution twice?
You can only take evolutions once each unless otherwise specified.Use the normal stacking rules where appropriate.
but you can now take large & reach gaining a 15' reach
True. Can you get a 20-ft. reach if you have a huge creature with the reach evolution? I have no idea what the standard reach is for a huge creature.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned here but inquisitor is utter jank. That is once they hit lvl 10 they get this ability to destroy anything that walks up. They get the equivilent of about 19d6 damage with no save, and can do this consitently against anything. The primary reason for this is divine power, giving them full bab and +6 enhancement to str. This combined with their ability to do judgement for damage and attack, as well as an assumed +2 bow (easily achievable by lvl 10) and you have an average damage of 79.5 with a cap damage of 109.5. This is significantly above that of a sorcerer (meant to blow stuff up) and they have to have a save for half on top of their damage. I guess it just doesn't seem anywhere near in line with any of the other classes. Just my ovservations as I had a person play one in my campaign earlier.
Wormyxl
Except that Pathfinder Divine Power works differently than the 3.5 one did.
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Except that Pathfinder Divine Power works differently than the 3.5 one did.I don't know if this has been mentioned here but inquisitor is utter jank. That is once they hit lvl 10 they get this ability to destroy anything that walks up. They get the equivilent of about 19d6 damage with no save, and can do this consitently against anything. The primary reason for this is divine power, giving them full bab and +6 enhancement to str. This combined with their ability to do judgement for damage and attack, as well as an assumed +2 bow (easily achievable by lvl 10) and you have an average damage of 79.5 with a cap damage of 109.5. This is significantly above that of a sorcerer (meant to blow stuff up) and they have to have a save for half on top of their damage. I guess it just doesn't seem anywhere near in line with any of the other classes. Just my ovservations as I had a person play one in my campaign earlier.
Wormyxl
exactly, strength checks and strength based skill checks =/= a +6 bonus to strength, in fact all divine power gives you is a +1 to hit per 3 levels which at level 10 is a +3 to hit and damage. So please make sure you're using the spell correctly before you complain that something is overpowered. You gain a whopping +0 bonus to strength. Oh yeah and you'll get an extra 10hp ZOMG that's broken 10 hit points he'll be able to one shot asmodeus. I demand that the Inquisitor be removed from the game and all our memories be mind wiped before this game ruins our childhoods retroactively and kills all our puppies.
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How does the Eidolon interact with things like Bane and the Rangers favored enemy? Both require a specific subtype of outsider whereas the Eidolon doesn't have one.
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An eidolon has the same alignment as the summoner that calls it.
So that would make it lawful/chaotic and good/evil outsider depending on the summoner.
An eidolon has the same alignment as the summoner that calls it.So that would make it lawful/chaotic and good/evil outsider depending on the summoner.
No. Alignment and alignment subtypes are not directly linked. You can have a neutral Succubus (Fall-From-Grace); she still has the [evil] subtype because she's still a Succubus. Similarly, you can have an evil-aligned Outsider that does not have the [evil] subtype, such as an Efreet.
No. Alignment and alignment subtypes are not directly linked. You can have a neutral Succubus (Fall-From-Grace); she still has the [evil] subtype because she's still a Succubus. Similarly, you can have an evil-aligned Outsider that does not have the [evil] subtype, such as an Efreet.An eidolon has the same alignment as the summoner that calls it.So that would make it lawful/chaotic and good/evil outsider depending on the summoner.
Not to mention that there are plenty of outsiders in the Bestiary with no alignment subtype (elementals, jann, aasimar, salamanders, etc.).
The thought occurs to me it would make no sense at all for there to be any category for a ranger to use to get a favored enemy bonus vs. an eidolon.
How can you be familiar with the physiology and habits of creatures which are different each time they appear?
Then again...how do you make a shirt out of a chaos beast?
The thought occurs to me it would make no sense at all for there to be any category for a ranger to use to get a favored enemy bonus vs. an eidolon.
How can you be familiar with the physiology and habits of creatures which are different each time they appear?
Then again...how do you make a shirt out of a chaos beast?
How do you fit an elephant in a Safeway shopping cart?
Regarding the Eidolon, the rules for the maximum number of attacks specifically says:
"Max. Attacks: This indicates the maximum number of natural attacks that the eidolon is allowed to possess at the given level. If the eidolon is at its maximum, it cannot take evolutions that grant additional natural attacks."
As you can see in this thread, an Eidolon currently can simply bypass this limitation taking the Weapon Training evolution and multiple times the Limbs(arms) evolution, and loading itself with manufactured weapons.
Although it's not completely assured that with the Multiweapon Fighting feat it can also benefit taking Imp.TWF and Greater TWF (I believe it cannot), it can still (by RAW) bypass the limit of 8 natural attacks.
Mighty Eidolon from the thread in fact, at worst has 13 attacks (6 from Tentacles, 3 from the primary weapon - a Huge Glaive - , and 4 from his 4 secondary weapons - 4 Huge Bastard Swords), and at best... 21 attacks (!!!).
I think that something has still to be taken in consideration, regarding the maximum number of attacks allowable.
Just my 2c.
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Sorry it took so long for me to reply, I've been away from my computer for a while... now, even with the str taken away, all that does is reduce yur damage by 3/attack, reducing the effective d6's down to about 16d6, still 6 class lvls above the average sorcerer.
*edit* oah... I forgot to also state that Divine Power also Gives you the bonus to damage at +1/3lvls... which i believe is +3 damage (the same number that the strength was giving us before hand).... back up to 19d6 again...
please post a build or explain because I do not see how +3 to hit and damage is equivalent to 19d6. You've only mentioned divine power so I have nothing to work with here. You're saying that a +3 to hit and damage makes an inquisitor have the equivalent of 19d6. a d6 is average 3.5 so as far as I can see without any other relevant facts (since you've given us none) you're claiming that something that gives you the equivalent of a d6 extra damage gives you 19d6. So you can see how we find it ludicrous.
I see +2 bow, that's +2 damage, not equivalent to a d6, I see divine power for +3, so far we have +5. on top of a shortbow which would be d6 we have right now an equivalent of 2d6+2. add bane (at 10th level you only have bane) and we have 4d6+2. and you have two judgements that grant an attack or damage bonus. so you'll have +3 to attack and damage and used 2 of your 4 judgements a day. once again +3 is equivalent to a d6 so 5d6+2 and that's after having it running 3 rounds. Lets assume a str 18, that'd be +4, so we have an equivalent now of 7d6. +7/+2 which with our bonuses from divine power and judgement is now +13/+8 (after 3 rounds) and lets also assume an 18 dex (since he's also split with str.) oh yeah and lets assume a composite Str rated bow so +17/+12 dealing the equivalent of 8d6+1. For a no save equivalent of 16d6+2 without a save if both attacks hit. not bad, but nothing I can't match with a fighter of equivalent level.
exactly, strength checks and strength based skill checks =/= a +6 bonus to strength, in fact all divine power gives you is a +1 to hit per 3 levels which at level 10 is a +3 to hit and damage. So please make sure you're using the spell correctly before you complain that something is overpowered. You gain a whopping +0 bonus to strength. Oh yeah and you'll get an extra 10hp ZOMG that's broken 10 hit points he'll be able to one shot asmodeus. I demand that the Inquisitor be removed from the game and all our memories be mind wiped before this game ruins our childhoods retroactively and kills all our puppies.Except that Pathfinder Divine Power works differently than the 3.5 one did.I don't know if this has been mentioned here but inquisitor is utter jank. That is once they hit lvl 10 they get this ability to destroy anything that walks up. They get the equivilent of about 19d6 damage with no save, and can do this consitently against anything. The primary reason for this is divine power, giving them full bab and +6 enhancement to str. This combined with their ability to do judgement for damage and attack, as well as an assumed +2 bow (easily achievable by lvl 10) and you have an average damage of 79.5 with a cap damage of 109.5. This is significantly above that of a sorcerer (meant to blow stuff up) and they have to have a save for half on top of their damage. I guess it just doesn't seem anywhere near in line with any of the other classes. Just my ovservations as I had a person play one in my campaign earlier.
Wormyxl
Sorry it took so long for me to reply, I've been away from my computer for a while... now, even with the str taken away, all that does is reduce yur damage by 3/attack, reducing the effective d6's down to about 16d6, still 6 class lvls above the average sorcerer.
*edit* oah... I forgot to also state that Divine Power also Gives you the bonus to damage at +1/3lvls... which i believe is +3...
Doing some very simple archery builds at lvl 10 with 20 dex and str and +2 bow, I got an Inquisitor who can put out 33.5 damage per hit, 4 attacks at + 20/20/20/15 for 7 rounds of combat straight before his effectiveness wears down. It takes a couple rounds for his judgements kick in at full power, and a round to buff with Divine Power. This also requires him to use his expendable bane ability, which adds 7 average damage and +2 to the hit for 10 rounds, and Divine Power, which he gets 2 times/day and adds 3 to hit and damage. He has just hit a level where he can use judgment almost every fight. The build has 1 unallocated feat. Unbuffed, he is 16.5 damage at +12/12/12/7
A Fighter build with the same stats can easily hit 25.5 and +17/17/17/12 to hit for every combat the entire day, without having to worry about expended resources. He doesn't need to spend the first round buffing, so he gets an extra full attack, and does not need to wait for judgements. Next level he will also gain annother attack over the Inquisitor. There are 2 unallocated feats.
Personally, considering the loss of a full attack and the resources expended, I do not mind the inquisitor occasionally out-shining the fighter and dropping well below him when those resources aren't spent.
Sorry it took so long for me to reply, I've been away from my computer for a while... now, even with the str taken away, all that does is reduce yur damage by 3/attack, reducing the effective d6's down to about 16d6, still 6 class lvls above the average sorcerer.
*edit* oah... I forgot to also state that Divine Power also Gives you the bonus to damage at +1/3lvls... which i believe is +3 damage (the same number that the strength was giving us before hand).... back up to 19d6 again...please post a build or explain because I do not see how +3 to hit and damage is equivalent to 19d6. You've only mentioned divine power so I have nothing to work with here. You're saying that a +3 to hit and damage makes an inquisitor have the equivalent of 19d6. a d6 is average 3.5 so as far as I can see without any other relevant facts (since you've given us none) you're claiming that something that gives you the equivalent of a d6 extra damage gives you 19d6. So you can see how we find it ludicrous.
I see +2 bow, that's +2 damage, not equivalent to a d6, I see divine power for +3, so far we have +5. on top of a shortbow which would be d6 we have right now an equivalent of 2d6+2. add bane (at 10th level you only have bane) and we have 4d6+2. and you have two judgements that grant an attack or damage bonus. so you'll have +3 to attack and damage and used 2 of your 4 judgements a day. once again +3 is equivalent to a d6 so 5d6+2 and that's after having it running 3 rounds. Lets assume a str 18, that'd be +4, so we have an equivalent now of 7d6. +7/+2 which with our bonuses from divine power and judgement is now +13/+8 (after 3 rounds) and lets also assume an 18 dex (since he's also split with str.) oh yeah and lets assume a composite Str rated bow so +17/+12 dealing the equivalent of 8d6+1. For a no save equivalent of 16d6+2 without a save if both attacks hit. not bad, but nothing I can't match with a fighter of equivalent level.
From what I can tell, using 2 judgements at once does not cost 2 uses of judgement.
inquisitor uses her judgment ability, she selects two
different judgments, instead of one. As a swift action,
she can change one of these judgments, causing the
bonuses from that judgment to reset to those granted
on the first round.
Ok, here is how the math folds...Sorry it took so long for me to reply, I've been away from my computer for a while... now, even with the str taken away, all that does is reduce yur damage by 3/attack, reducing the effective d6's down to about 16d6, still 6 class lvls above the average sorcerer.
*edit* oah... I forgot to also state that Divine Power also Gives you the bonus to damage at +1/3lvls... which i believe is +3 damage (the same number that the strength was giving us before hand).... back up to 19d6 again...please post a build or explain because I do not see how +3 to hit and damage is equivalent to 19d6. You've only mentioned divine power so I have nothing to work with here. You're saying that a +3 to hit and damage makes an inquisitor have the equivalent of 19d6. a d6 is average 3.5 so as far as I can see without any other relevant facts (since you've given us none) you're claiming that something that gives you the equivalent of a d6 extra damage gives you 19d6. So you can see how we find it ludicrous.
I see +2 bow, that's +2 damage, not equivalent to a d6, I see divine power for +3, so far we have +5. on top of a shortbow which would be d6 we have right now an equivalent of 2d6+2. add bane (at 10th level you only have bane) and we have 4d6+2. and you have two judgements that grant an attack or damage bonus. so you'll have +3 to attack and damage and used 2 of your 4 judgements a day. once again +3 is equivalent to a d6 so 5d6+2 and that's after having it running 3 rounds. Lets assume a str 18, that'd be +4, so we have an equivalent now of 7d6. +7/+2 which with our bonuses from divine power and judgement is now +13/+8 (after 3 rounds) and lets also assume an 18 dex (since he's also split with str.) oh yeah and lets assume a composite Str rated bow so +17/+12 dealing the equivalent of 8d6+1. For a no save equivalent of 16d6+2 without a save if both attacks hit. not bad, but nothing I can't match with a fighter of equivalent level.
Add on Many Shot, the lvl 9 feat fo this archer, for double damage on the first shot, and Deadly aim, for +6 damage ut -2 to hit.
My build, I forgot the +2 from bane on weapon damage.
Doing some very simple archery builds at lvl 10 with 20 dex and str and +2 bow, I got an Inquisitor who can put out 33.5 damage per hit, 4 attacks at + 20/20/20/15 for 7 roundsOkay, I know I'm missing something, because I can't figure out how a 10th level character can get 4 attacks.
Probably something like Rapid Shot + Haste. Or maybe Rapid Shot + Manyshot (if you pretend that Manyshot gives two attacks).
Doing some very simple archery builds at lvl 10 with 20 dex and str and +2 bow, I got an Inquisitor who can put out 33.5 damage per hit, 4 attacks at + 20/20/20/15 for 7 roundsOkay, I know I'm missing something, because I can't figure out how a 10th level character can get 4 attacks.
I screwed up a lot.
With the manyshot, I and added it as an extra attack rather than double damage to the first attack. Then I forgot about the bonus attack from Divine Power that the Inquisitor would get. He can also have manyshot at lvl 9.That being said, its really easy to get an extra haste attack that doesn't stack with Divine Power.
Seeing this material makes me think somebody, not point at Paizo as they have a lot on their table already, could do a great new campaign setting using these classes as alternates to some of the existing ones. Using Oracles instead of clerics and druids comes immediately to mind. Would give a fantasy setting a new feel. Could even limit familiars to just witches. Have all wizards use bonded items. I am highly impressed with the work so far. I haven't been able to playtest any of this, due no time to run a game (as well as nobody in my group being interested), but I do read up on a lot of the feedback. I personally don't sweat the small stuff, as long as the class still seems fun to play.
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Just wanting to chip in regarding the cavalier. One of my players who was using it wasn't bothered by all the changes (however he seemed a bit down when challenge got nerfed, but he was alright none the less).
However he seems very eager to use the Tactician ability, hwever since it is only oce per day he is constantly hessitant.
Looking over at other classes I don't think it would be such a bad idea to make it a rounds per day thing. It would mbe more in line with bardic music at least which would make it see more gameplay.
Just my 2cp
I'm working with an alchemist , enjoying every moment I might add, but we encountered some spectral ankle biters. At this point only the paladin had a magic weapon so I was relying on a wand of magic missle as my faithful companion, but I was curious. Do you count bombs as magic weapons? I mean they say its infused with part of your magic aura.
Because they are unable to become +y magic weapons due to their expendable nature I weas wondering if you could count them as magic weapons for purposes such as blowing up ghosts effectively?
I did remember this forum was for feed back on the classes and I'd like to give you some on the alchemist. Hopefully I'll get a few nods.
I think they should be able to make infusions without sacrificing the discovery (maybe a class feature at mid-levels?), that severly hinders their ability to contribute to the party and makes them focus much more on chucking a bomb at the enemy (which is a hell of a lot of fun but still less teamwork than I think the alchemist could do for the party.)
I do think the alchemical items should be expanded upon and maybe include poison amongst this (not entirely sure if poison already counts as an alchemical item, but giving us a buyable list would be nice.)
As for the turning spells into extracts I really think it suits the class and gives the alchemist the correct flavor. It was one of the things I liked about the class the most.
Mutagens. Ah mutagens. They are a good idea at first, but then they dont seem to get any better. I mean taking a minus two to my intellegence? Even if it does give me a plus four to strength its a heavy price for an alchemist. So I see them as more so something to help the eparty, but alas to make them effective you have to sacrifice atleast two precious discoveries to give your barbarian friend a plus six and a minus two to whatever. I mean yes this equates to him having 2 extra hp and +3 more attack and +5 to damage if hes playing his character optimally but you sacrificed 2d6 damage per round to give him it.
Your just better not every using mutagens the way they have been built because messing with your own ability scores isnt very good because again -2 ro either wisdom or intellegence effects your battle stats. Maybe give us more variety to the mutagens making them a little more bad ass like a breath weapon? I also suggest red bull literally giving you wings? I would totally sacrifice the ability score if it was a little more niffty. I think you were on the right track with feral mutagens. I like more of that.And again, making the infusion a class feature at maybe level 7 or 8 would do the class a big favor in making the alchemist a team player instead of a bomb chucker( Although I cxertianly enjoy his bomb chucking status he can certianly be a more flexible class.)
So the way I see it all is the alchemist is a great and whimsical class. I love it very much. I like the extracts I think the mutagens could use a little work but not much and the bombs are damn near perfect, and I love the idea of brewing alchemical items( and an expanded list of alchemical items would make it cooler and useful.) Great work keep on truckin'.
I'm working with an alchemist , enjoying every moment I might add, but we encountered some spectral ankle biters. At this point only the paladin had a magic weapon so I was relying on a wand of magic missle as my faithful companion, but I was curious. Do you count bombs as magic weapons? I mean they say its infused with part of your magic aura.
Because they are unable to become +y magic weapons due to their expendable nature I weas wondering if you could count them as magic weapons for purposes such as blowing up ghosts effectively?
Yup, they could as magical attacks. Magical attacks and not affected by SR either.
Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability's effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells.
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i do have a question hopefully someone can answer does augment summoning affect the eidolon. sorry in advance if this question has been answered before, but i could not find it anywhere
this has been answered before & the answer is no - it is not summoned via a spell but by a ritual so augment summoning does not work with this - besides this E does not really need it
he does as of right now.
