I know its been covered but I was hoping to maybe get Paizo to reconsider adding a Half-Orc Iconic for the final version of Pathfinder.
My suggestion, with all the great artwork (ie the cover of just about every Adv. Path as well as inside art) it might not be a bad idea to give each race its own Iconic. My only complaint about the Alpha art was the side by side of the races. I just looking at it when it hit me, give each race an Iconic art. I know Half-Orcs are rare in your setting, but lets face it they are beloved, and they are a optional core race. I don't expect an Iconic Lizardfolk or Iconic Centaur or Drow as they are not core, but the Half-Orc is. Moreover giving Races an Iconic only adds options for recuring characters, after all in the Pathfinder Adv. Paths you get 12 Iconics a year, by the time the Final version comes out that's almost 30 images from them alone, nevermind any other artwork you own. Pluse it gives a more vaired view of what an Elf, Gnome, or Human look like.
Well thats my two coppers, hoping somebody is listing.
TTFN Dre
And please try something outside Barbarian/Fighter category ;)
Well, a half orc wizard would also look better than most people think.
How about a Female Half-Orc Druid. That would be cool.
Half-elves didn't get an iconic either. Just the pureblooded races. One elf. One dwarf. One gnome, one halfling. The rest filled in by humans.
Not that I'm complaining (Half elves are lame), I'm just saying hlaf-orcs were not the only ones excluded.
Half-elves didn't get an iconic either. Just the pureblooded races. One elf. One dwarf. One gnome, one halfling. The rest filled in by humans.
Not that I'm complaining (Half elves are lame), I'm just saying hlaf-orcs were not the only ones excluded.
Wrong.
Seltyiel is half-elf.
Too late. :(
We already know who the 12 iconics are.
A Dwarven Ranger
An Elf Rogue
A Gnome Druid
A Half-Elven Multiclass
A Halfling Bard
A Human Barbarian
A Human Cleric
A Human Fighter
A Human Monk
A Human Paladin
A Human Sorceress
A Human Wizard
At this point, who would the "Bump" to be the half-orc iconic.
Wrong.
Seltyiel is half-elf.
You are correct, Sir! For some reason I was thinking he was human.
Too late. :(
We already know who the 12 iconics are.
A Dwarven Ranger
An Elf Rogue
A Gnome Druid
A Half-Elven Multiclass
A Halfling Bard
A Human Barbarian
A Human Cleric
A Human Fighter
A Human Monk
A Human Paladin
A Human Sorceress
A Human WizardAt this point, who would the "Bump" to be the half-orc iconic.
Ironically, the one you could "bump" would be Seoni.
She is already the "Obligatory Marketing Babe" for the Pathfinder series, so her place is assured. But, that would also allow room for a Half-Orc Sorcerer Iconic. :)
(Just a thought.)
Well, a Half-Orc would be a good multiclass iconic as well, making a Half-Orc/Half-Human - Half-Cleric/Half-Sorcerer...
(Possibly fiendish half-dragon umbral vampire)...
What more mixed would you want? :D
I fear that it's too late. The 12 iconics are done. They won't be any other iconics. Starting with Pathfinder #13, the covers will have important NPCs on them (like the drow from #13, and the Vankaskerkin - I know there are supposed to be some c's in there, but I don't care - on #14), and Pathfinder modules, as well as adventure paths starting with #19, will have the same iconics, albeit with a different setup (#19 might have the classical wizard, cleric, fighter, rogue in it).
Eventually there WILL be a half-orc on the cover of Pathfinder.
We've ordered covers through to #24, though, and none of them have half-orcs. I'll see what I can do for #25.
Edit: Though ironically, there is no half-orc in #25 given that the adventure path after Second Darkness involves fighting foot odor and the forces of toenail fungus. In retrospect, maybe I should've based that adventure path off of something other than a toe fungus commercial...
Nah.
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Ironically, the one you could "bump" would be Seoni.She is already the "Obligatory Marketing Babe" for the Pathfinder series, so her place is assured. But, that would also allow room for a Half-Orc Sorcerer Iconic. :)
(Just a thought.)
No need to bump, just use a Half-Orc to showcase the new sorcerer bloodlines as opposed to the generic sorcerer. My vote would be celestial. Just picture a ruggedly handsome half-orc with golden hair and skin like a solar!
Where do i sign the petition ? We need a half-orc iconic yesterday. Make it a Half-orc Ranger like the Claudio Pozas one...
Better yet, make him a duel scimitar wielding half-orc who has had to escape from his evil culture. Have him driven to the far north were he gains a measure of acceptance from a defeated Human Barbarian, a Dwarven Warrior-Smith, a Halfling Rogue (himself on the run from his guild from his distant desert homeland) and the Dwarf's Human Female Ward . . .
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Where do i sign the petition ? We need a half-orc iconic yesterday. Make it a Half-orc Ranger like the Claudio Pozas one...Better yet, make him a duel scimitar wielding half-orc who has had to escape from his evil culture. Have him driven to the far north were he gains a measure of acceptance from a defeated Human Barbarian, a Dwarven Warrior-Smith, a Halfling Rogue (himself on the run from his guild from his distant desert homeland) and the Dwarf's Human Female Ward . . .
Hmmm.... no panther ? Maybe Obould reveal that he is his father. That would be mind blowing huh ?
Too late. :(
We already know who the 12 iconics are.
A Dwarven Ranger
An Elf Rogue
A Gnome Druid
A Half-Elven Multiclass
A Halfling Bard
A Human Barbarian
A Human Cleric
A Human Fighter
A Human Monk
A Human Paladin
A Human Sorceress
A Human WizardAt this point, who would the "Bump" to be the half-orc iconic.
About 6 of those Humans.
About 6 of those Humans.Too late. :(
We already know who the 12 iconics are.
A Dwarven Ranger
An Elf Rogue
A Gnome Druid
A Half-Elven Multiclass
A Halfling Bard
A Human Barbarian
A Human Cleric
A Human Fighter
A Human Monk
A Human Paladin
A Human Sorceress
A Human WizardAt this point, who would the "Bump" to be the half-orc iconic.
As virtually true as it is, why do you mention it?
As virtually true as it is, why do you mention it?About 6 of those Humans.Too late. :(
We already know who the 12 iconics are.
A Dwarven Ranger
An Elf Rogue
A Gnome Druid
A Half-Elven Multiclass
A Halfling Bard
A Human Barbarian
A Human Cleric
A Human Fighter
A Human Monk
A Human Paladin
A Human Sorceress
A Human WizardAt this point, who would the "Bump" to be the half-orc iconic.
Bigger fan of Half Orcs, I like fantasy races to have a bigger presence than humans in fantasy, and thats way to many humans.
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Bigger fan of Half Orcs, I like fantasy races to have a bigger presence than humans in fantasy, and thats way to many humans.As virtually true as it is, why do you mention it?About 6 of those Humans.Too late. :(
We already know who the 12 iconics are.
A Dwarven Ranger
An Elf Rogue
A Gnome Druid
A Half-Elven Multiclass
A Halfling Bard
A Human Barbarian
A Human Cleric
A Human Fighter
A Human Monk
A Human Paladin
A Human Sorceress
A Human WizardAt this point, who would the "Bump" to be the half-orc iconic.
Disagree completely as Human culture has always formed the baseline around which D&D is built. Fans love other races, and they also have a place in the game. That said, humans provide the common ground point around which players can build an understanding of the game. That is because everyone knows what it is like to be human. Further, Humans are far more populous in the game world than the demi-human races and thus more common from a population demographics perspective. So it stands to reason their race would be more representative of the iconic art. Now that the iconics are done, the rest of the cover art will be NPC's and the like from the AP's. Undoubtedly that group will have a larger representation of races other than human.
All of that said, I can empathize with wanting to see more dwarves, elves, or whatever. I'm sure they will get to it as we go. The art for the 12 iconics is so cool I can live with their choices of race for each.
Bigger fan of Half Orcs, I like fantasy races to have a bigger presence than humans in fantasy, and thats way to many humans.As virtually true as it is, why do you mention it?About 6 of those Humans.Too late. :(
We already know who the 12 iconics are.
A Dwarven Ranger
An Elf Rogue
A Gnome Druid
A Half-Elven Multiclass
A Halfling Bard
A Human Barbarian
A Human Cleric
A Human Fighter
A Human Monk
A Human Paladin
A Human Sorceress
A Human WizardAt this point, who would the "Bump" to be the half-orc iconic.
Disagree completely as Human culture has always formed the baseline around which D&D is built. Fans love other races, and they also have a place in the game. That said, humans provide the common ground point around which players can build an understanding of the game. That is because everyone knows what it is like to be human. Further, Humans are far more populous in the game world than the demi-human races and thus more common from a population demographics perspective. So it stands to reason their race would be more representative of the iconic art. Now that the iconics are done, the rest of the cover art will be NPC's and the like from the AP's. Undoubtedly that group will have a larger representation of races other than human.
All of that said, I can empathize with wanting to see more dwarves, elves, or whatever. I'm sure they will get to it as we go. The art for the 12 iconics is so cool I can live with their choices of race for each.
Honestly, I hate that. I'm so tired of humans (And most fantasy staple races). In fantasy I don't giver two craps about common ground I wanna see the fantastic, theirs a reason I haven't played a human in about a year. And thats another thing that annoyed me, why do humans all ways have to be the most populous?
And thats another thing that annoyed me, why do humans all ways have to be the most populous?
Because that's their thing: humans are the race with the most drive, the most frantic ones, the ones most driven to grow and expand.
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We won't bump an existing iconic just to make room for a half-orc. If/when we have a half-orc iconic, he/she will be his/her own class. Maybe another multiclass option, maybe a new base class.
As for the human question: Golarion is humanocentric. Humanity is our world's baseline, its common ground. In my opinion, the fantastic seems all the more fantastic in this way, since using humans as the baseline gives us (as humans) a place to identify with and to experience the world of fantasy alongside of the in-world human counterparts.
Because that's their thing: humans are the race with the most drive, the most frantic ones, the ones most driven to grow and expand.
...that aren't evil. Goblins and Orcs would love to grow and expand.
We won't bump an existing iconic just to make room for a half-orc. If/when we have a half-orc iconic, he/she will be his/her own class. Maybe another multiclass option, maybe a new base class.
Hellknight. Hellknight. Hellknight. ....
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We won't bump an existing iconic just to make room for a half-orc. If/when we have a half-orc iconic, he/she will be his/her own class. Maybe another multiclass option, maybe a new base class.Hellknight. Hellknight. Hellknight. ....
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We'll be putting a hellknight on the cover before we put a half-orc on the cover, I suspect.
Of course, since hellknights wear full armor... any of them could be half-orcs! Or gnomes or halflings, for that matter, since the iconics generally don't have anything indicating their actual scale to the world.
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We won't bump an existing iconic just to make room for a half-orc. If/when we have a half-orc iconic, he/she will be his/her own class. Maybe another multiclass option, maybe a new base class.Hellknight. Hellknight. Hellknight. ....
:)
We'll be putting a hellknight on the cover before we put a half-orc on the cover, I suspect.
Of course, since hellknights wear full armor... any of them could be half-orcs! Or gnomes or halflings, for that matter, since the iconics generally don't have anything indicating their actual scale to the world.
*Looks at Lem's image on the front of PathFinder 8 which is half the size of everyone else's.* Ok, who wants to tell the fiendish T-Rex that he may not be 100% correct?
Because that's their thing: humans are the race with the most drive, the most frantic ones, the ones most driven to grow and expand....that aren't evil. Goblins and Orcs would love to grow and expand.
Everybody and their little dog wants to grow and expand. It's more than that. With goblins and orcs it's a power thing, a drive for dominance. With humans, it's wanting to make the most of the short lives they get, it's wanting to *matter*.
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We won't bump an existing iconic just to make room for a half-orc. If/when we have a half-orc iconic, he/she will be his/her own class. Maybe another multiclass option, maybe a new base class.Hellknight. Hellknight. Hellknight. ....
:)
We'll be putting a hellknight on the cover before we put a half-orc on the cover, I suspect.
Of course, since hellknights wear full armor... any of them could be half-orcs! Or gnomes or halflings, for that matter, since the iconics generally don't have anything indicating their actual scale to the world.
Halfling hellknight. That just screams recurring villain.
Hmm.
Do something interesting. Maybe . . . female half orc ranger rifleman type (yes, with a rifle). Maybe a pit fighter. Perhaps a psionic class.
Psychic warrior half orc? I'd buy that for a dollar.
If/when we have a half-orc iconic, he/she will be his/her own class. ... maybe a new base class.
Hopeful this becomes a WHEN and not an IF and hopeful that it is a new base class. Perhaps a non-magical healer for low magic worlds or a reworked truenamer class.
Me demand iconic!