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Darkjoy wrote:

Caine, the blade of Tyshalle, could beat Conan!

I doubt it, but it looks like someone I might have to read up on to figure out for sure.

Is his first name Solomon? ;) (just kidding, I googled it).


Conan would probably beat Elric - but Conan would NOT beat Elric WITH Stormbringer.

Vlad Taltos - He could (especially withh thhe help of his friends - kill anybody).

I don't know if he would beat Durendal (Dave Duncan's - Tales of the Kings Blades Series).

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Heathansson wrote:
Darkjoy wrote:

Caine, the blade of Tyshalle, could beat Conan!

I doubt it, but it looks like someone I might have to read up on to figure out for sure.

Is his first name Solomon? ;) (just kidding, I googled it).

I found both novels containing Caine a fine read, although book 2 did contain a few scenes that were a bit ..... strange.

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Flash Gordon, or He-Man! :)

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This needs to be a Marvel Team-Up style comic book.
#1 Conan vs. The Terminator
#2 Conan vs. Jerry Cornelius
#3 Conan vs. the I.R.S.
etc...etc...


Kyr wrote:

Conan would probably beat Elric - but Conan would NOT beat Elric WITH Stormbringer.

Sorry baby, Strombringer is quick but Conan is quicker.

Conan would break that blade in two with sunlight shinning on his steel.

Stormbringer would be sent screaming back to its demon-dimension with a broken heart; eventually committing demon suicide to escape the pang of humiliation throbbing in its heart and the pain of regret ringing in its mind.

Now bow to Conan, dog!

Crom!


I picked up a Marvel Comics Conan #1 from the early 70's back in the 80's. Must have it around here somewhere. Thing is, Conan is so strong that when I strike people in the back of their heads with the mere rolled up comic that bears his likeness, it's as if I had yellow paged them into next week! I can't believe they let me on airplanes with this thing.

Mint condition BTW, never actually rolled or used as a bludgeoner.


Darkjoy wrote:

Caine, the blade of Tyshalle, could beat Conan!

I can hear Conan now, "Bruce, Chuck let's go out clubbin' tonight." (see the demise of Kirk above)

"If we are Abel lets find this guy Caine."

said Conan dealing out some PUN-ishment.

Crom!

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The Jade wrote:

I picked up a Marvel Comics Conan #1 from the early 70's back in the 80's. Must have it around here somewhere. Thing is, Conan is so strong that when I strike people in the back of their heads with the mere rolled up comic that bears his likeness, it's as if I had yellow paged them into next week! I can't believe they let me on airplanes with this thing.

Mint condition BTW, never actually rolled or used as a bludgeoner.

Go ahead. Use it as a punkswatter. It can take it; s'got Conan on the cover drawn by Barry Windsor Smith. It's tough.

Crom and Mitra!


Lemmy from Motorhead could outdrink the Mitra-worshipping barbarian.


oooooh. What about Ajax, Swan, Cochise, Cowboy, Cleon, Vermin, Snow, Fox, and Rembrandt? Armed with pipes, knives, broken bottles, and stolen Furies' bats.

OR

Darryl Revok from Scanners could make Conan's head 'splode like it was full of dog food and rabbit livers and shot from behind with a 12-gauge.


Tensor wrote:
Kyr wrote:

Conan would probably beat Elric - but Conan would NOT beat Elric WITH Stormbringer.

Sorry baby, Strombringer is quick but Conan is quicker.

Conan would break that blade in two with sunlight shinning on his steel.

Stormbringer would be sent screaming back to its demon-dimension with a broken heart; eventually committing demon suicide to escape the pang of humiliation throbbing in its heart and the pain of regret ringing in its mind.

Now bow to Conan, dog!

Crom!

Okay well that response shows that you're delusional.

Which is fine as long you're happy.
I am curious though what exactly do you think Conan - or anyone else for that matter could break Stormbringer with?


hehe I read a Marvel What If comic and Conan easily killed Captain America. I would have rather seen him fight the Swordsman.

Vlad could kill him; but doubt he could beat him in a straight up fight; Morallan, Aleira or Sethra could easily though.

Elric would have to take his combat drugs.

Red Sonja beat him in a duel in one of the books; dont remember which one.

Achilles would just punk him and make it look easy :)

Hard to think of someone that could beat him that doesnt use magic or have the power of some diety though, in a straight up scrap mono a mono without magic, Conan is as tuff as they come.

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Valegrim wrote:

hehe I read a Marvel What If comic and Conan easily killed Captain America. I would have rather seen him fight the Swordsman.

Vlad could kill him; but doubt he could beat him in a straight up fight; Morallan, Aleira or Sethra could easily though.

Elric would have to take his combat drugs.

Red Sonja beat him in a duel in one of the books; dont remember which one.

Achilles would just punk him and make it look easy :)

Hard to think of someone that could beat him that doesnt use magic or have the power of some diety though, in a straight up scrap mono a mono without magic, Conan is as tuff as they come.

Shoot. I saw Red Sonja hit him in the back of the head once to avoid....paying a debt...

Conan would whoop all those folks and more.

And if he fough Elric with Stormbringer, he'd just go get Mournblade and spank that gloomy punk right good and proper.


Kyr wrote:


I am curious though what exactly do you think Conan - or anyone else for that matter could break Stormbringer with?

Leverage! (this is also what broke saddam hussein's neck!!)

duh...

Crom!

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Kyr wrote:


I am curious though what exactly do you think Conan - or anyone else for that matter could break Stormbringer with?

Not anyone else. Just Conan.


Fafhrd vs.Conan is an even-money fight.

Cyrano would hold him to a standstill at swordfighting. Then he would remember his dates with several dozen women that night and just shoot Conan.


Bill Lumberg wrote:

Fafhrd vs.Conan is an even-money fight.

Yes, Conan would not only take pleasure, but 'even-money' to slay Fafhrd. However, I do not think Fafhrd would fight Conan because he considers Conan his role-model.

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Cyrano would hold him to a standstill at swordfighting. Then he would remember his dates with several dozen women that night and just shoot Conan.

Guns. They are not magical.

You first have to get it out and aim. Againts Conan this would never happen.

Cyrano invented the first national Lottery System (in france. look it up.) He and Conan would be brothers in a Thieves' guild, but...

When Cyrano gets tired of being Conan’s wine&food boy it would be no contest.

Cyrano would have pretty, ballet-like fencing techniques through which Conan would smash. I can see Conan’s sword crashing through a text-book #5 parry into Cyrano’s right shoulder and cutting all the way down through his chest, stopping after severing the heart in two.

Crom!


Tensor wrote:
Bill Lumberg wrote:

Fafhrd vs.Conan is an even-money fight.

Yes, Conan would not only take pleasure, but 'even-money' to slay Fafhrd. However, I do not think Fafhrd would fight Conan because he considers Conan his role-model.

Bill Lumberg wrote:


Cyrano would hold him to a standstill at swordfighting. Then he would remember his dates with several dozen women that night and just shoot Conan.

Guns. They are not magical.

You first have to get it out and aim. Againts Conan this would never happen.

Cyrano invented the first Lottery System (fact, in france. look it up.) He and Conan would be brothers in a Thieves' guild, but...

When Cyrano gets tired of being Conan’s wine&food boy it would be no contest.

Cyrano would have pretty, ballet-like fencing techniques through which Conan would smash. I can see Conan’s sword crashing through a text-book #5 parry into Cyrano’s right shoulder and cutting all the way down through his chest, stopping after severing the heart in two.

Crom!

I never heard about Cyrano and the lottery. Could you let me know where you found this? I really would like to know.

I agree that Conan would probably form a guild with Cyrano, get drunk with Fafhrd and become the leader of an army of literary figures.

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What about Hulk Hogan? He has taken on gods before
what about Zeus in "no holds barred"?
He has slapped around Rocky
He has cheated certain death in the forms of steroids and thunder in paradise and he somehow is still successful
and he has a hot daughter ( does Conan have a hot daughter?)

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Apparantly, skiing is Conans only weakness


Bill Lumberg wrote:


I never heard about Cyrano and the lottery.

I do know of two sources:

The first is "The role of Roguery in the History of Probability" . (I’m sure Conan has read this paper.) If it is not direclty in this paper, then it is in one of the references to this paper. :\

The other one I am fuzzy on. It was a History Channel special. The show's title was something like, “The History of Gambling.”

Cheers! :)


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snake wrote:
( does Conan have a hot daughter?)

regularly...

Crom!

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Cyrano vs. Conan:
did you see Rob Roy?


snake wrote:
Apparantly, skiing is Conans only weakness

Except for that whole growing up in Cimmeria part.

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snake wrote:

What about Hulk Hogan? He has taken on gods before

what about Zeus in "no holds barred"?
He has slapped around Rocky
He has cheated certain death in the forms of steroids and thunder in paradise and he somehow is still successful
and he has a hot daughter ( does Conan have a hot daughter?)

Yeah he does, in Conan the King by Marvel Comics.


Here are the essential Conan books:

By:
Robert E. Howard, L. Sprague De Camp, and Lin Carter

1. Conan
2. Conan of Cimmeria
3. Conan the Freebooter
4. Conan the Wanderer
5. Conan the Adventurer
6. Conan the Buccaneer
7. Conan the Warrior
8. Conan the Usurper
9. Conan the Conqueror
10. Conan the Avenger
11. Conan of Aquilonia
12. Conan of the Isles

There are scores of others by different authors but not all of them are good. Also, true Conan fans think the movies sucked donkeys. (I have nothing to say about the comics and other illustrated works because I have not read most of them.)

:)

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Tensor wrote:

Here are the essential Conan books:

By:
Robert E. Howard,
L. Sprague De Camp,
and Lin Carter

1. Conan
2. Conan of Cimmeria
3. Conan the Freebooter
4. Conan the Wanderer
5. Conan the Adventurer
6. Conan the Buccaneer
7. Conan the Warrior
8. Conan the Usurper
9. Conan the Conqueror
10. Conan the Avenger
11. Conan of Aquilonia
12. Conan of the Isles

There are scores of others, so read them too. Also, true Conan fans think the movies sucked donkeys.

There's also a lot of REH purists who would say those 12 books are crap; I'm not gonna go there, but they were edited a lot by de Camp and Carter. I think in one instance, they took one of their own stories and did a name-and-location swap to make it a Conan story. I think the new volumes coming out recently are pure unadulterated REH.

Also, some people really rag de Camp for doing that and call him a hack, but I've read a few good things here and there by him.


Heathansson wrote:

There's also a lot of REH purists who would say those 12 books are crap; I'm not gonna go there, but they were edited a lot by de Camp and Carter. I think in one instance, they took one of their own stories and did a name-and-location swap to make it a Conan story. I think the new volumes coming out recently are pure unadulterated REH.

Also, some people really rag de Camp for doing that and call him a hack, but I've read a few good things here and there by him.

Nice work -- Now if this list of books is new to anyone they will

read your comment and think "I do not want to read these books now."

You have betrayed Conan.

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Tensor wrote:
Heathansson wrote:

There's also a lot of REH purists who would say those 12 books are crap; I'm not gonna go there, but they were edited a lot by de Camp and Carter. I think in one instance, they took one of their own stories and did a name-and-location swap to make it a Conan story. I think the new volumes coming out recently are pure unadulterated REH.

Also, some people really rag de Camp for doing that and call him a hack, but I've read a few good things here and there by him.

Nice work -- Now if this list of books is new to anyone they will

read your comment and think "I do not want to read these books now."

You have betrayed Conan.

Naah...everybody knows I'm fulla crap anyway. ;)


Well, what most people seem to forget was that Howard was a bit mad and writing to a different audience; most of the macho he man racist, sexual and elitist stuff has been edited out; the audience in the pre WWII era was much different and didnt have all the popularist, socialist and sheep toting views that modern America has today. The history of the Wonder Woman character is much the same with its semi dark beginning; if you like Conan, read the books by all the authors, maybe you will find one you like.

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Tensor wrote:


Cyrano would have pretty, ballet-like fencing techniques through which Conan would smash. I can see Conan’s sword crashing through a text-book #5 parry into Cyrano’s right shoulder and cutting all the way down through his chest, stopping after severing the heart in two.

As a fencer I object, Cyrano would give Conan the illusion that that was going to happen, he would actually sidestep and put the point of his rapier in Conan's eye-socket.

At least, that's what I would do.

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No way Cyrano would whup Conan.
Conan's from the steppes of Cimmeria. Allers fighting wolves, and cave lions. He's quicker than that prodigiously proboscised fencer could possibly believe.

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Conan could whup Cyrano in a fistfight.


We know that Gandalf could not beat Conan. He was a measly fifth level NPC.

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Bill Lumberg wrote:
We know that Gandalf could not beat Conan. He was a measly fifth level NPC.

That was actually my inspiration for this thread. That and numerous heated discussions in middleschool...

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Heathansson wrote:

No way Cyrano would whup Conan.

Conan's from the steppes of Cimmeria. Allers fighting wolves, and cave lions. He's quicker than that prodigiously proboscised fencer could possibly believe.

Sjeez, then I'll have my maitre kill him.


Tensor wrote:


Leverage! (this is also what broke saddam hussein's neck!!)

duh...

Saddams neck was not shaped from demonic steel, nor wielded by a drug enhanced, armored, spell casting, Champion Eternal.

As to Cyrano - well that depends.
War swords and duelling swords are pretty different - duelling swords - are much faster - and trained fencers are tough to beat (as it relates to sword play).

I think one of the problems with most fantasy writing (especially golden age - or golden age style - is that the authors don't know much about historical combat or swordplay - martial arts or or training) doesn't mean the books arent fun.

But please - Conan wouldn't allow himself to get shot - thats just silly - or blatant denial.

And I tend to side with thte Achilles vote as well. No one mentioned:

Cuchulain
Sun Wukong (Conan would be pasted in less time than it takes to type this)
Wolverine (or any number of other superheroes)
The nameless hero in Hero

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Darkjoy wrote:


Sjeez, then I'll have my maitre kill him.

Larry the Cable Guy? Please.

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Kyr wrote:
Tensor wrote:


Leverage! (this is also what broke saddam hussein's neck!!)

duh...

Saddams neck was not shaped from demonic steel, nor wielded by a drug enhanced, armored, spell casting, Champion Eternal.

As to Cyrano - well that depends.
War swords and duelling swords are pretty different - duelling swords - are much faster - and trained fencers are tough to beat (as it relates to sword play).

Not if Conan wore chainmail.


Kyr wrote:
Tensor wrote:


Leverage! (this is also what broke saddam hussein's neck!!)

duh...

Saddams neck was not shaped from demonic steel, nor wielded by a drug enhanced, armored, spell casting, Champion Eternal.

Ok, let me say it without the saddam part.

Leverage!

duh...


Darkjoy wrote:


As a fencer I ... would actually sidestep and put the point of his rapier in Conan's eye-socket.

At least, that's what I would do.

Bwa ha ha ha...!!

Yay, I am sure Conan is losing sleep over the threat you pose.


Robilar would beat him even without using his magic items.

Perseus would beat him after Conan made fun of his (admitedly laughable) name.

Zoot Sputnik would whup Conan without even breaking a sweat.

On a serious note, are the Conan books worth reading? The only fantasy books I liked were Lieber's Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser books. Are the Conan books similar in style or are they more high fantasy?


Bill Lumberg wrote:

On a serious note, are the Conan books worth reading? The only fantasy books I liked were Lieber's Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser books. Are the Conan books similar in style or are they more high fantasy?

Why don't read them and decide for yourself!

If you need help making other decisions in your life, like where to put your cash, let me know!

(If I were you I would put all your money in my pocket. It will be really really safe there. I promise!)

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Tensor wrote:
Darkjoy wrote:


As a fencer I ... would actually sidestep and put the point of his rapier in Conan's eye-socket.

At least, that's what I would do.

Bwa ha ha ha...!!

Yay, I am sure Conan is losing sleep over the threat you pose.

Mmm, did you notice the lack of adventure Conan is having lately? Most visibly exemplified by this thread, Conan isn't killing anyone..... That's why we are suggesting future match ups. So yeah, Conan is losing sleep.......which will make it easier still for me to kill him.


Fencing is all fine and well, but there is a reason that fencing blades were not used in war; ie, they break easily against heavy blades and they suck against heavily armored opponents; with no armor; Conan would be as a very serious disadvantage against a fencer, but in his age where were no fencing blades or fencers so it is really moot as it violates the high fantasy age of the broadsword or like weapons. It is like comparing apples and oranges and other unlike things though an agrument could be said that the Grey Mouser was a fencer and he and Fafrd fought several times with no victor, but really, he is an anomoly.


Darkjoy wrote:


Mmm, did you notice the lack of adventure Conan is having lately?

No, not at all.


Valegrim wrote:
Conan would be as a very serious disadvantage against a fencer...

Bwa ha ha ha !!! Wrong.

Blasphemous dog! Go back to Thoth Amon’s bathroom chambers and get back to work!


ok. here it is. Conan vs. Ripley.

Hudson: Let's just bug out and call it even, OK? What are we talking about this for?

Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Hudson: F++#in' A...

Burke: Ho-ho-hold on one second. This installation has a substantial dollar value attached to it.

Ripley: They can *bill* me.

boom

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