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Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Oops. I've been told it's Nicolas Logue and Richard Pett.

Fixed.

Contributor

I need a lie down...

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Cherrio all!

Just chiming in to let you all know that I jolly well apreciate your testament to my abilities as a writer.

I'd love to write more, but I'm knackered, being a pruny old Englishman and all. Just need a quick lie down to refresh me is all. I'll be back after a quick f%$...and perhaps some spotted dick.

Huzzah!

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Richard Pett wrote:

f!#

I was refeurring to a cigarette thank you very much gooud chaps in the censour department. Caurry on then.

Huzzah!

And three cheers for the Queeun!

Contributor

Alright then lads! The jig is up so to speak.

You have me Mr. Logue. I simply cannot contend with you any longer. Well done sir. Well done indeed. I just received my issue of #141 and I must say "Swords of Dragonslake" is by far the most stunning piece of gripping drama I have laid eyes on to date. It far surpasses anything to grace Dungeon's pages prior. I concede Mr. Logue. Though I must say I am honoured to share this issue with such an exquisite adventure as "Swords of Dragonslake."

Perhaps you could teach me your secrets sometime young master. It seems I have much to learn.


I truely enjoyed The Sea Wyvern's Wake and must say that it was my favorite adventure of the issue.

But I have to tip my hat to Nicolas Logue for basing characters on his fellow writers. Rikard Prett..hahaha...and you really nailed Greg Vaughan with Janton Wirespindle.

ASEO out

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ASEO wrote:

I truely enjoyed The Sea Wyvern's Wake and must say that it was my favorite adventure of the issue.

Well thank you for the kind kind words ASEO, but I really must disagree! My adventure simply couldn't hold a candle to "Swords of Dragonslake." I am shamed by all my high talk, and boastful braggadochio. I now realize I am nothing compared to Nicolas Logue. That young man is a true prodigy. Hats off to you Logue.

Huzzah!

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ASEO wrote:

But I have to tip my hat to Nicolas Logue for basing characters on his fellow writers. Rikard Prett..hahaha...and you really nailed Greg Vaughan with Janton Wirespindle.

ASEO out

HHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAAA!

That's mean...

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAA!


Rich, with all these references to spotted dick the Americans might not realize you're talking about a desert; they might think you need ointment or something... (No offense intended!) :-)

Liberty's Edge

ericthecleric wrote:
Rich, with all these references to spotted dick the Americans might not realize you're talking about a desert; they might think you need ointment or something... (No offense intended!) :-)

That's ...not...Rich. Issa Body Snashcher.

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ASEO wrote:

I truely enjoyed The Sea Wyvern's Wake and must say that it was my favorite adventure of the issue.

But I have to tip my hat to Nicolas Logue for basing characters on his fellow writers. Rikard Prett..hahaha...and you really nailed Greg Vaughan with Janton Wirespindle.

ASEO out

Cream Cakes all round!

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I'm begining to doubt my own sanity...

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Richard Pett wrote:
ASEO wrote:

I truely enjoyed The Sea Wyvern's Wake and must say that it was my favorite adventure of the issue.

Well thank you for the kind kind words ASEO, but I really must disagree! My adventure simply couldn't hold a candle to "Swords of Dragonslake." I am shamed by all my high talk, and boastful braggadochio. I now realize I am nothing compared to Nicolas Logue. That young man is a true prodigy. Hats off to you Logue.

Huzzah!

git

Contributor

Does this mean I get Nick's paychecks?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Nicolas Logue wrote:
I'm begining to doubt my own sanity...

Whoops. Wrong button. All settled now.

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Richard Pett wrote:
Does this mean I get Nick's paychecks?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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Vic Wertz wrote:
Nicolas Logue wrote:
I'm begining to doubt my own sanity...
Whoops. Wrong button. All settled now.

Awwwwww...I was just starting to have fun too! ;-)

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That was horrible...

Liberty's Edge

I was confused. That Loguey was makin' Rich say bad stuff.
It felt like my heart was dying slowly, by measures.

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Heathansson wrote:

I was confused. That Loguey was makin' Rich say bad stuff.

It felt like my heart was dying slowly, by measures.

Heathansson my old chum, I feel some measure of vengeance is called for...it may take time, but when it happens the outrageous slur will be avenged>)

Sovereign Court

Add a vote for Tito Leati.

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Hagen wrote:
Add a vote for Tito Leati.

Tito is awesome.

Liberty's Edge

Richard Pett wrote:
Heathansson wrote:

I was confused. That Loguey was makin' Rich say bad stuff.

It felt like my heart was dying slowly, by measures.
Heathansson my old chum, I feel some measure of vengeance is called for...it may take time, but when it happens the outrageous slur will be avenged>)

The ultimate revenge shall be when a Styes-themed amusement park opens on Logue's island chain.


Ah, ye amusing scriveners! "Chains of Blackmaw" vs. "Sea Wyvern's Wake." "Bullywug Gambit" vs. "The Weavers." A noble rivalry indeed, indeed. A pair of talented scalawags, sans doubt. And, like the tortoise and the hare, they loudly hawk the relative merits of their undoubtedly excellent wares, when all the while the fox (some fool named Jaqubbs or some such) casually drops in a few gems like "Wormcrawl Fissure" and "No Honor," rendering your race a moot point, for the tortoise and hare are both dinner.

Seriously, both of you guys rock hard (for any of you across the pond who don't speak Colonial, that's a high complement). And JJ is the baddest of the lot (meaning the best, of course). May all three continue their submissions until such time as I discontinue my subscription or until the sun goes out, whichever comes first. Total respects, all!


Greensburrows to both of you, if my opinion counts. Although the rivalry is almost as entertaining as your submissions, I just got finished reading Dragonslake in its entirety (I read Wyvern's a few days ago) and I can't decide if one is "better" as they are such different styles of adventures and both truly entertaining and engrossing. I look forward to running them both with my current group.

Liberty's Edge

Just got the ish. yesterday, and have finished half of the latest Richard Pett masterpiece, as well as thumbed through the rest to look at pictures.
Not sure who wins yet, but the certain character in Dragginslacker, you know the one...curled up with the tiger...
sure is gonna make it hard to vote for Wyvern's Wake.
What! What am I saying!?! Crom, what an underhanded piece of MANipulation!!!
Dagon it, Pavlovian subliminal mindgames...

The Exchange

Just read Mr Pett's masterpiece this lunchtime. Very well done, making a basic journey into a really interesing series of encounters. Get's my vote over the navel-gazing thesp thing by Mr Louge.

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Having just got my copy, as much as I hate to admit it, Logue's adventure, despite the outrageous references to my old friend Greg Vaughn and certain slanderous suggestions about certain other people who have been fortunate enough to appear from time to time in Dungeon - as well as it's disgraceful use of glamour models and imagery - isn't too bad if you like that kind of navel gazing thing:). I'd definately rate it in the top 3 adventures this issue:)

Huzzah and a huge slice of lemon merrangue pie to those people kind enough to write in, and shame on you Heathansson for being so easily swayed by what amounts to little more than pointy eared, erm, art.

Rich

Hey, where'd that title come from?...Huzzah! Promotion at last! Has...oh damn he has...


I love a good omphaloskepsis reference myself. :)

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Heathansson wrote:

Just got the ish. yesterday, and have finished half of the latest Richard Pett masterpiece, as well as thumbed through the rest to look at pictures.

Not sure who wins yet, but the certain character in Dragginslacker, you know the one...curled up with the tiger...
sure is gonna make it hard to vote for Wyvern's Wake.
What! What am I saying!?! Crom, what an underhanded piece of MANipulation!!!
Dagon it, Pavlovian subliminal mindgames...

That's right Heath, just let the art do its work on your man-mind...give in...say it with me..."Dragginslackin GOOD."

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Richard Pett wrote:

Having just got my copy, as much as I hate to admit it, Logue's adventure, despite the outrageous references to my old friend Greg Vaughn and certain slanderous suggestions about certain other people who have been fortunate enough to appear from time to time in Dungeon - as well as it's disgraceful use of glamour models and imagery - isn't too bad if you like that kind of navel gazing thing:). I'd definately rate it in the top 3 adventures this issue:)

Huzzah and a huge slice of lemon merrangue pie to those people kind enough to write in, and shame on you Heathansson for being so easily swayed by what amounts to little more than pointy eared, erm, art.

Rich

Hey, where'd that title come from?...Huzzah! Promotion at last! Has...oh damn he has...

Prett,

Maybe stop copying my avatar. Sheesh...no originality at all.

Still no issue for me. What's with friggin Engerland getting a copy before Hawai'i. We're part of this country...aren't we? Maybe we aren't? Damn. I'll have to go check.

Hawaiian Sovereignty Now! Hawai'i for Hawaiians!

Gimme my #141 yo! I want to read Sea Slug's Slime Trail, or whatever it's called.

HUZZAH!

Liberty's Edge

Actually, I just heard somewhere that the only place further away from any major land mass than Hawaii is Easter Island...


Okay. I'm not that stupid. I can get the hint that Vic has been dropping. Nicolas/Richard Logue/Pett. They're the same person! Have any of you ever noticed that you've never seen them in the same room? I can't believe we've all been duped for so long. I mean just look at the avatars. LOOK!

The only thing I'm not sure about is how Richolas Pegue (Nicard Loett?) knows both Hawaiian pidgin and British idiosyncrasies so well.

Does this make Greg V. some sort of Lex Luthor archetype?

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Eltanin wrote:

Okay. I'm not that stupid. I can get the hint that Vic has been dropping. Nicolas/Richard Logue/Pett. They're the same person! Have any of you ever noticed that you've never seen them in the same room? I can't believe we've all been duped for so long. I mean just look at the avatars. LOOK!

The only thing I'm not sure about is how Richolas Pegue (Nicard Loett?) knows both Hawaiian pidgin and British idiosyncrasies so well.

Does this make Greg V. some sort of Lex Luthor archetype?

Ahhh! The game is up! TELL NO ONE ELTANIN!!! TELL NO ONE!!!

Yes, Richard Pett is just my clumsy oaf-like mundane alter ego. You guessed it!

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Especially don't tell Grex Vuther! If he knew my secret, he could easily defeat me in my humble Richard Pett guise.

Frog God Games

I can let it go no longer...it's VaughAn.

And that's who my vote goes to as well.

Huzzah! or something

Eltanin wrote:
Does this make Greg V. some sort of Lex Luthor archetype?

And, yes...yes it does.

Frog God Games

Hey, how come Pett and Logue are Contributors now and I'm just a Scrubscriber?

You can't do that to Lex Luthor! My doomsday machine will soon turn Bellevue, WA into so much feta cheese. Mwahahaha

Liberty's Edge

Just finished reading The Wyvern's Wake.
All I can say is, I can't wait to send some poor hapless lubbers to Journey's End.
"They moustley come out at night. Moustley."


here's a vote for "Sea Wyvern's Wake." sorry nicholas, i tried to like your adventure, i really did. but my players would be falling asleep with the mystery drama and RP. Sea Wyvern has the right blend of action, adventure, and really wild stuff to sustain a night of excitement.

However, Mr. Pett, don't think you're off the hook either. there are a few gripes i have with your adventure sir.

first off, am i given to understand that you want a low level party to fend of the horrors of a red slaad? you know you're setting up a TPK, right?

Second: the Mother of all is a 10 hit dice creature with a domain of several miles with 18 ships caught in its clutches. are you telling me that none of those 18 ships had any high level adventuring parties that could have taken this thing out yet? you really want me to suspend belief and think that an 8 CR creature can exist this long with all those ships caught in its domain? now, i understand that its got the vine horrors and all that, but come on. 5 ships i could understand. 10 is pushing the threshold for believability, and 18 is just too much. there had to have been a high level group in those 18 ships that would have ended this menace long ago. especially a CR 8 threat.

either way, well done gentlemen, great adventures like this is one reason i subscribed to the magazine. you can rest assured you will be up there with the greats like wolfgang baur and james jacobs. kudos guys

you both get one vote from me. :)


Greg V wrote:
My doomsday machine will soon turn Bellevue, WA into so much feta cheese. Mwahahaha

Let me know what the timeline on that is. I have a class I am running in Bellevue starting next week and it would be a little less work if I didn't need to coordinate the setups... so let me know if this destruction will rain down upon my ed center...

Sean Mahoney

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Greg V wrote:
Hey, how come Pett and Logue are Contributors now and I'm just a Scrubscriber?

Hmm. No "Greg V" on the contributors list. (We've got a Greg A. Vaughan, though. What are the odds of that?)

Do you pronounce it "Greg the Fifth?"

-Vic.
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Vic Wertz wrote:


Do you pronounce it "Greg the Fifth?"

Oh heavens no! One Greg is three too many.

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Greg V wrote:

Hey, how come Pett and Logue are Contributors now and I'm just a Scrubscriber?

You can't do that to Lex Luthor! My doomsday machine will soon turn Bellevue, WA into so much feta cheese. Mwahahaha

Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorah! Extra big Pork Pies and numerous Black Puddings are in the post for all Dungeon staff:)

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terrainmonkey wrote:

here's a vote for "Sea Wyvern's Wake." sorry nicholas, i tried to like your adventure, i really did. but my players would be falling asleep with the mystery drama and RP. Sea Wyvern has the right blend of action, adventure, and really wild stuff to sustain a night of excitement.

However, Mr. Pett, don't think you're off the hook either. there are a few gripes i have with your adventure sir.

first off, am i given to understand that you want a low level party to fend of the horrors of a red slaad? you know you're setting up a TPK, right?

Second: the Mother of all is a 10 hit dice creature with a domain of several miles with 18 ships caught in its clutches. are you telling me that none of those 18 ships had any high level adventuring parties that could have taken this thing out yet? you really want me to suspend belief and think that an 8 CR creature can exist this long with all those ships caught in its domain? now, i understand that its got the vine horrors and all that, but come on. 5 ships i could understand. 10 is pushing the threshold for believability, and 18 is just too much. there had to have been a high level group in those 18 ships that would have ended this menace long ago. especially a CR 8 threat.

either way, well done gentlemen, great adventures like this is one reason i subscribed to the magazine. you can rest assured you will be up there with the greats like wolfgang baur and james jacobs. kudos guys

you both get one vote from me. :)

Huzzah terrainmonkey:)

OK, to come to your questions:

Red slaad, no that would be evil - it's a blue one:)

Funnily enough, I pitched Anhelm (the monk who wrote the journal) as a higher level NPC (deceased) than the PCs to try to show the players that fighting wasn't a good idea, and had a reference to him trying an abundant step I think. Yes I believe that an island with hundreds of vine horrors is a match for a party of high level NPCs, since just 12 is a CR 12 and the whole idea is that these creatures are relentless and need to be outsmarted, not out-fought. I can think of quite a few situations where a CR8 monster (or whatever CR) could be more than a match for higher level parties depending how it is handled - especially, for example, if those PCs are in its terrain under its rules. Out of 18 ships the amount of high level NPCs would depend entirely upon how many high level characters a DM has in his campaign - if you run a high level campaign, then reduce the number of ships accordingly:)


terrainmonkey wrote:
the Mother of all is a 10 hit dice creature with a domain of several miles with 18 ships caught in its clutches. are you telling me that none of those 18 ships had any high level adventuring parties that could have taken this thing out yet? you really want me to suspend belief and think that an 8 CR creature can exist this long with all those ships caught in its domain? now, i understand that its got the vine horrors and all that, but come on. 5 ships i could understand. 10 is pushing the threshold for believability, and 18 is just too much. there had to have been a high level group in those 18 ships that would have ended this menace long ago. especially a CR 8 threat.

I don't think it's unbelievable at all. Consider a population of 10,000 as per the D&D (a small city worth of people). In this menagerie, you will have, on average, ten characters at or above 10th level. Of these, the highest level will be two 16th level Commoners, two 13th level Experts, and two 11th level Warriors. That leaves four characters in 10,000 who could, indeed, handily defeat an 8th level encounter. But they've got business elsewhere, right? Can't be everywhere at once...

There will be twenty-eight characters between 6th and 9th level, who would consider the monster to be a fair challenge. Ten of these characters are aristocrats, adepts, commoners, and experts. So eighteen NPCs out of 10,000 would consider this monster to be a worthy foe. Hey, that's almost a fifth of a percent! But then, fully 50% of NPCs are evil (again, according to the DMG). Heck, only 20% (three or four) of them are actually good aligned. The others may or may not care that there's a monster causing chaos out in the seas.

The rest of that 10,000 are 4th level or lower (8,721 of them are 1st level commoners), and would get completely wiped out if they tried to face off with the beast.

TK

Frog God Games

Vic Wertz wrote:
Hmm. No "Greg V" on the contributors list. (We've got a Greg A. Vaughan, though. What are the odds of that?)

Yeah, well he's a hack.

Vic Wertz wrote:

Do you pronounce it "Greg the Fifth?"

-Vic.

Oh ho, you'll not catch me in your clever moniker manipulation games. I have observed from afar the havoc you have wrought upon the unsuspecting Petts and Logues. You have far too much power, sir, and all of it appears to be of a bent for deviltry.

That is why I must, reluctantly, rain feta cheese-like destruction upon Bellevue as described above.

I don't know, Mr. Mahoney. How does a Thursday work for you?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Greg V wrote:
Oh ho, you'll not catch me in your clever moniker manipulation games. I have observed from afar the havoc you have wrought upon the unsuspecting Petts and Logues.

You're on my radar, Greg 5.

-Vic.
.

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terrainmonkey wrote:

here's a vote for "Sea Wyvern's Wake." sorry nicholas, i tried to like your adventure, i really did. but my players would be falling asleep with the mystery drama and RP. Sea Wyvern has the right blend of action, adventure, and really wild stuff to sustain a night of excitement.

NO LIKE MYSTERY!!! ::Nick begins to cry::

No worries, different strokes for different folks. I love rollicking action adventure too, and Sea Wyvern's Wake low-brow "excitement" could probably even please me on the right day. ;-)

Well, I guess Rich gets another vote.

Prett 6

Logue 10,875

Vaughan 2

James Jacobs 2

Wolfgang Baur 1

Poor Wolfie's in last place right now, but anything could happen!!!

Frog God Games

Vic Wertz wrote:


You're on my radar, Greg 5.

-Vic.
.

ZOIKS!


well, i didn't know wolfgang baur was up for votes. in that case, i'll vote 10,000 times for him. 5 years later and i still have players telling me the Ghoul King adventure was the best ever written. by the way, mr. baur, how's that sequel coming?

need any help with that? :)

nicholas-- don't get me wrong, your adventure was tops in my book but i have a party of hackenslashers and they wouldn't like it. i've run murder mysteries before that were great fun, and this one looks excellent. didn't mean to make you cry there, sir. good work.

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