Pathfinder Flip-Tiles: Campsites

Announced for May! Product image and description are not final and may be subject to change.

Can never have enough of these, hope they are very diverse and super cluttered up with all the nick nacks adventures have when camping out!!

Tom

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Flip-Tiles: Campsites is a stand-alone expansion suitable for use with any Flip-Tiles set, with 24 full-color, double-sided, 6 × 6-inch tiles stunningly crafted by cartographer Jason Engle. Whether your group is exploring a remote wilderness, stuck inside a sprawling dungeon, or simply trying to avoid spending money at an inn in the city, these campsites will help you plan out your evening. Suitable for experienced Game Masters and novices alike, this product fits perfectly into any GM’s arsenal. Wet, dry, and permanent markers erase from the tiles, and convenient packaging makes for easy storage. Why map out every single campsite by hand when Flip-Tiles can do it for you?

Highlights include:
• Forest Clearings
• Swampy Isles
• Hilltops and Lodges
• Deserts or Tundra
• Dungeons and Caves
• Urban Camps

I'm a little confused by this product. It does not appear to be a starter set, and it is not labeled as an expansion to a single set but appears to be able to be used with several sets. The confusing part is that the notation for each tile is given F03 which is for the Forest set and already used by Haunted Woodlands.

Can we please update the PDF with a new, unique notation? Otherwise this will be confusing if they are ever used as part of pathfinder society or similar.

Looking at the upcoming releases (Monster Lairs and Villain Lairs) this may be relevant to them as well. Perhaps we can have a notation specific for these versatile sets? V01, V02, or similar.

Thanks!

I'm a little confused by this product. It does not appear to be a starter set, and it is not labeled as an expansion to a single set but appears to be able to be used with several sets. The confusing part is that the notation for each tile is given F03 which is for the Forest set and already used by Haunted Woodlands.

Can we please update the PDF with a new, unique notation? Otherwise this will be confusing if they are ever used as part of pathfinder society or similar.

Looking at the upcoming releases (Monster Lairs and Villain Lairs) this may be relevant to them as well. Perhaps we can have a notation specific for these versatile sets? V01, V02, or similar.

Thanks!

This product is designed to work eith several existing Pathfinder Flip-Tiles. In speaking with our team, we don's see how the current notation is a problem. If we ever used it in PFS we'd link it on the product page, not use a number.

Thanks for the reply Aaron. To see what I'm looking at--

PFS 2-01 uses fliptiles and page 26 uses F03 notation for the legend. Which is confusing because now we have two F03's.

Similarly 2-03, 2-05, 2-07, 2-20, 2-21 have a legend with notations only.

And 3-09 has a legend with product names and notations.

But then 3-10 has a legend with notations only.

While may not be a big deal for physical games, i run games online and have my tiles indexed by the notation. Basically, it is a decrease in usability if we start calling tiles by the same notation since i predominately see them only referenced by the notation

Thanks for the reply Aaron. To see what I'm looking at--

PFS 2-01 uses fliptiles and page 26 uses F03 notation for the legend. Which is confusing because now we have two F03's.

Similarly 2-03, 2-05, 2-07, 2-20, 2-21 have a legend with notations only.

And 3-09 has a legend with product names and notations.

But then 3-10 has a legend with notations only.

While may not be a big deal for physical games, i run games online and have my tiles indexed by the notation. Basically, it is a decrease in usability if we start calling tiles by the same notation since i predominately see them only referenced by the notation

Understood. Please email your concerns to Organized Play.

Understood. Please email your concerns to Organized Play.

This isn't an Organized Play problem.

This is a problem about the useability of the map tiles for everyone who buys them. The map tiles are supposed to be coded in a way that every tile has a unique notation, a serial number, if you will.

This is pointing out that there are now map tiles with duplicate serial numbers. Which means that everyone who uses them is now unable to create a map, take it apart, and then reassemble it later. What used to be a singular notation for each tile now applies to multiple tiles in your inventory.

This is a map design team problem.

Thank you Dancing Wind. Yes, I agree that this is not an organized play problem. I used organized play scenarios as an example because they are the only product line that actually uses map tiles to try to help sell them. But the issue is a product/design one and can happen with other product lines or uses of flip tiles.

Let's pretend I am going to build a map using Forest Starter, Haunted Woodlands, and Campsites. I am going to put my adventure up on pathfinder infinite and I am hand drawing a legend to reconstruct the map (People will need to buy the sets to get the actual map). I link the sets in my adventure and then my legend of the map use the notation/serial number for which pieces go where. For fun I'll put that in text format right here

F00_31A - F03_07A
F03_02A - F03_07B

Now anyone can recreate my map! Except they'll need to figure out which F03_07 piece goes where. I guess that makes it easier by using both F03_07 tiles. But the point is with the duplicate serial numbers now we've made these products harder to use. And if we just use a new, unique set serial (such as V for Versatile) then my map becomes:

F00_31A - V00_07A
F03_02A - F03_07B

And suddenly anyone can recreate my map without needing to play a puzzle. Anyway, I appreciate the time to hear my concerns. If this still doesn't seem like a product issue then I would encourage trying to think of actual use-cases where people are using these tiles. The serials/notations are absolutely important to be unique. Otherwise why have we been labeling them all along?

Thanks for your feedback. This is not an issue that Marketing can remedy. I can answer questions, not determine if product can or should be corrected. So I have escalated this thread internally. In the future, for product quality issues, you may get a better response by using the customer service email rather that the forums. Adventures Ahead.

Thanks Aaron. My apologies for misunderstanding how to raise my concern. I appreciate the help

Thanks Aaron. My apologies for misunderstanding how to raise my concern. I appreciate the help

No apology needed. The more I learn about it, the more it needed to be addressed. I was a bit slow.

We have a plan so that both the forums and CS email will be valid ways to raise concerns, but I think email will be better.

You can always email Customer Service with issues or problems beyond products. If not something we can solve, we will get it to the right internal party to address. As for this issue, it is now being discussed in our editorial department and we will have an update on it shortly.

Thanks for bringing this issue to our attention. Unfortunately, the duplicated set code was an error on our part, and we apologize for any confusion that might cause.

We discussed the suggestion of changing the PDF of this product to use a new code, but ultimately feel that adding a new code that exists only in the digital format, and which doesn't match the physical version of the same tiles, would exacerbate the problem and potentially cause additional confusion.

We're all going to take extra special care to ensure future flip-tile sets don't have a similar issue, but for this set, folks will just need to specify which F03 set they mean when referring to a tile solely by its locator code.

We're all going to take extra special care to ensure future flip-tile sets don't have a similar issue, but for this set, folks will just need to specify which F03 set they mean when referring to a tile solely by its locator code.

Thanks for the quick response on this.

The solution is unfortunate, but makes sense.

My suggestion to module writers to add a note if they use either FO3 set informing the reader of the issue, and refer to the Campsites tiles with the set code CS on the map layout for disambiguation purposes :)