Pathfinder Gamemastery Guide

I got my notice of Pre Authorization last evening.

Same!

On CS board Paizo said they hope to begin shipping tomorrow.

Hi all, new Paizo player coming from 5e. I was told that this is the book that will contain variant rules for bounding accuracy a la D&D 5th edition, is that true?

Hi all, new Paizo player coming from 5e. I was told that this is the book that will contain variant rules for bounding accuracy a la D&D 5th edition, is that true?

It is indeed true that the GMG contains rules and guidelines for not adding your level to checks and DCs, and that we've mentioned that before. This could indeed give you more of that feel of lower level threats remaining deadlier for longer, or higher level threats being much easier to defeat.

Hi all, new Paizo player coming from 5e. I was told that this is the book that will contain variant rules for bounding accuracy a la D&D 5th edition, is that true?

Just a side note, so far switching to PF2's system instead of 5e's bounded accuracy has been absolutely terrific. Flattening the power curve, unsurprisingly, feels much flatter.

Habermanjc wrote:

Hi all, new Paizo player coming from 5e. I was told that this is the book that will contain variant rules for bounding accuracy a la D&D 5th edition, is that true?

Just a side note, so far switching to PF2's system instead of 5e's bounded accuracy has been absolutely terrific. Flattening the power curve, unsurprisingly, feels much flatter.

My personal preference for high fantasy stories is also to include a level component to make the highest level PCs and foes truly capable of matching near-armies of lower level opponents, but sometimes you want to tell a grittier story where at the end of the day, eight reasonably capable bandits are a threat to a skilled swordmaster because eight against one is terrible odds, and the GMG has your back if you want to tell that story.

On CS board Paizo said they hope to begin shipping tomorrow.

Hooray

Are gestalt characters that popular?

An additional reason I see is that current PF2 multiclassing cannot get you a 50/50 hybrid character.

Hopefully subscriber copies will be coming in soon so we can get some sweet tidbits on what's in this book. Other than what has already been announced of course.

Hopefully subscriber copies will be coming in soon so we can get some sweet tidbits on what's in this book. Other than what has already been announced of course.

Hopefully, mine is still pending for the moment.

Ooo, dual-classing!

Re: "rules and guidelines for not adding your level to checks and DCs" it remains to be seen how involved these are.

I mean, if they amount to much more than the obvious: "subtract your level from checks and DCs"...

...that's too slow and complex, at least compared to 5E, for me to really support the notion "with the release of the GMG Pathfinder 2 does supports a bounded accuracy variant."

I guess what I'm saying is that I really hope those "rules and guidelines" basically tell us to subtract a character's, monster's, hazard's, affliction's, etc level from all checks and DCs. And that that is all there's to it. (Having a follow-up on the potential impact to adventure assumptions of doing this is fine, though)

Basically, if you can do "proficiency without level" without waiting for the GMG at all - fine. However, if you really *need* the GMG to properly not add level to checks and DCs, the idea feels much more dodgey: I don't think many people will bother with something intricate or hard to remember.

It needs to be something you can apply on the fly, unless Paizo commits to a variant Bestiary with recalculated stat blocks where level is taken out of the equation (unlikely).

And just about the most complicated such operation I can see working is:

1. Subtract level from any check or DC
2. Done. :-)

For the most part, that appears to be the case. Proficiency bonus just becomes a +2 per rank, then subtract the level of the subject from the stats you normally add proficiency to. There are some GM notes on adjusting encounter XP and treasure as well.

For the most part, that appears to be the case. Proficiency bonus just becomes a +2 per rank, then subtract the level of the subject from the stats you normally add proficiency to. There are some GM notes on adjusting encounter XP and treasure as well.

Great, thanks! (Hope that's confirming the final content)

TOZ- I'm guessing you got your PDF?

I think it’s my VO copy, but I did get my preauthorization email earlier this week, so we’re in the window where I don’t feel out of place sharing some things.

Has anyone gotten their pdf yet?

Yes

There is a Reddit thread from someone with their PDF copy

Strangely the OP was deleted by Reddit.

Strangely the OP was deleted by Reddit.

They included a picture of the table of contents, which is a violation of the sub's rules. That's my guess.

Either way, this puppy looks jam packed with goodies. I'm stoked.

I hope I get my email soon.

That person was me, even though strictly speaking Tables of Contents are not protected by Copyright, the thread's back up though sans pic- I do one for each Core and Lost Omens Product, trying to do my part to hype the community up for each product.

That person was me, even though strictly speaking Tables of Contents are not protected by Copyright, the thread's back up though sans pic- I do one for each Core and Lost Omens Product, trying to do my part to hype the community up for each product.

Where did you get this information? I'm pretty sure a image (screenshot) extracted from any of the pages of a copyrighted pdf/book is under copyright...

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

That person was me, even though strictly speaking Tables of Contents are not protected by Copyright, the thread's back up though sans pic- I do one for each Core and Lost Omens Product, trying to do my part to hype the community up for each product.

Where did you get this information? I'm pretty sure a image (screenshot) extracted from any of the pages of a copyrighted pdf/book is under copyright...

I'm a librarian so its my buisiness to understand how copyright laws intersect with books, but here's a proper source.

You might be a librarian, but I'm a lawyer and I can tell you that trade dress and page design are sue-worthy level of protected as far as they constitute a significant original work, which Paizo's do.

You might be a librarian, but I'm a lawyer and I can tell you that trade dress and page design are sue-worthy level of copyright protected as far as they constitute a significant original work, which Paizo's do.

Hmm, you may be right, nevertheless the offending material was removed.

I think one of the reasons for a lower page account in a lot of the newer books is that, due to the new mechanical formatting used in Pathfinder 2nd Edition, they can fit more content in a smaller space.

I am still waiting for my pdf. I got the pending notice 5 days ago.

I am wanting to see what the aspect on character power when you allow a free archetype given out.

My plan for the campaign is to have everyone multi class as a cleric.

My campaign is on hold til I get that jnfo.

I am hoping it actually ships out Monday and will get my pdf then

I am still waiting for my pdf. I got the pending notice 5 days ago.

I am wanting to see what the aspect on character power when you allow a free archetype given out.

My plan for the campaign is to have everyone multi class as a cleric.

My campaign is on hold til I get that jnfo.

I am hoping it actually ships out Monday and will get my pdf then

Extra class feat at every even level that can only be used for the archetype.

Possibly removing the restriction about getting several feats before taking a new archetype.

The only restriction they mention is limiting the number of feats that scale according to the number of archetype feats to half the PC's level.

Gorbacz wrote:

You might be a librarian, but I'm a lawyer and I can tell you that trade dress and page design are sue-worthy level of copyright protected as far as they constitute a significant original work, which Paizo's do.

Hmm, you may be right, nevertheless the offending material was removed.

Yeah, once the art & layout are added it would (in the opinion of this admittedly-not-a-lawyer) no longer fall under "Mere listings of ingredients or contents".

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

Gorbacz wrote:

You might be a librarian, but I'm a lawyer and I can tell you that trade dress and page design are sue-worthy level of copyright protected as far as they constitute a significant original work, which Paizo's do.

Hmm, you may be right, nevertheless the offending material was removed.

Yeah, once the art & layout are added it would (in the opinion of this admittedly-not-a-lawyer) no longer fall under "Mere listings of ingredients or contents".

The art obviously, but it was just a cropped shot of just the text on the table of contents that excluded all artwork, so it would just be a small portion of the trade dress (namely the font, and the placement of page number, section titles, etc) we're discussing. I'm actually not convinced it would be copyrightable, but this doesn't seem like the place to talk about it, and I removed it to keep the powers that be happy.

Paul Jr wrote:

I am still waiting for my pdf. I got the pending notice 5 days ago.

I am wanting to see what the aspect on character power when you allow a free archetype given out.

My plan for the campaign is to have everyone multi class as a cleric.

My campaign is on hold til I get that jnfo.

I am hoping it actually ships out Monday and will get my pdf then

Extra class feat at every even level that can only be used for the archetype.

Possibly removing the restriction about getting several feats before taking a new archetype.

The only restriction they mention is limiting the number of feats that scale according to the number of archetype feats to half the PC's level.

Sweet. Thanks

Anything about what power level the character would. For example
The character would be equivalent to a character of level 1.5 or 2nd level when considering building encounters.

"a bit more versatile and
powerful than normal, but usually not so much that they
unbalance your game" ;-)

I would guess 1.2 maybe.

The art obviously, but it was just a cropped shot of just the text on the table of contents that excluded all artwork, so it would just be a small portion of the trade dress (namely the font, and the placement of page number, section titles, etc) we're discussing. I'm actually not convinced it would be copyrightable, but this doesn't seem like the place to talk about it, and I removed it to keep the powers that be happy.

The completed work is copyrighted as a whole. Your own linked document does not say “the table of contents is exempted” it says that a listing of contents is exempted; meaning if you typed out a list of the the contents it would be exempt from the copyright of the original work - but a photograph of the actual TOC isn’t exempted.

Please take your copytright discussions to another thread.

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

The art obviously, but it was just a cropped shot of just the text on the table of contents that excluded all artwork, so it would just be a small portion of the trade dress (namely the font, and the placement of page number, section titles, etc) we're discussing. I'm actually not convinced it would be copyrightable, but this doesn't seem like the place to talk about it, and I removed it to keep the powers that be happy.

The completed work is copyrighted as a whole. Your own linked document does not say “the table of contents is exempted” it says that a listing of contents is exempted; meaning if you typed out a list of the the contents it would be exempt from the copyright of the original work - but a photograph of the actual TOC isn’t exempted.

You guys are right, and I'm wrong, it's a good thing that it would probably fall under Fair Use since the AMA is functionally reviewing the product, and also a good thing that I've already removed the picture.

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Moving on (seriously, I'm feeling uncomfortable having my face repeatedly rubbed in this and would prefer for it to end with my admission that I was wrong about it not being protected by copyright) the book is out for subscribers, what is everyone's favorite aspect of it?

I'm personally really enjoying The Free Archetype system, I'll probably eventually implement it on a permanent basis in my games, once we have all the archetypes coming in the APG.

*offers hugs*

I really like the Airship :3

Oh and Meri and Kyra smiting undead with the power of love!

The site won't let me order the book.

My shipping email came through last night. Was the warehouse really working on a Saturday night? :D

...what is everyone's favorite aspect of it?

I love the art of gestalt dual-classed Seoni. What is she, a sorcerer/champion?

Got my pre-auth! Super excited!

Are antipaladin rules going to be in the GMG? Or is that going to be in the APG?

APG.

Though there is an NPC Antipaladin in the GMG.

My shipping email came through last night. Was the warehouse really working on a Saturday night? :D

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

...what is everyone's favorite aspect of it?

I love the art of gestalt dual-classed Seoni. What is she, a sorcerer/champion?

Looks like a sorcerer/cleric, what with the Pharasma insignia (yes, there can technically be redeemers of Pharasma so it might be that, but it gives a more of a warpriest vibe to me).

Got the PDF notice on Saturday. Just getting a chance to look at it now, I do like the art.

I wish I would get my PDf notice. I'm ready to get reading.

The picture on the 3rd page, WOW

Terevalis, you willing to answer questions?

So, what is the DMG:Unchained/unearthed arcana ratio of this book?

Terevalis, you willing to answer questions?

Depending.