Until I start running again, I can't really say I dislike having more CR 20+ creatures.
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So who wants to guess what creature type/subtype Krampus will be?
Strangely sentient ooze.
Giant-kabobs, Giant creole, Giant gumbo. Pan fried Giant, deep fried Giant, stir-fried Giant. There's pineapple Giant, lemon Giant, coconut Giant, pepper Giant, Giant soup, Giant stew, Giant salad, Giant and potatoes, Giant burger, Giant sandwich.
No shrimp giant?
I would like to express the following thoughts:
1) What i think lacked a bit in a few monsters (like the occult dragons) in the fifth bestiary were details about their environments and their aims or inclinations. If a good illustration can pick the reader interest, i believe the certain lines can be equally inspiring and useful for world building.
2) If this new bestiary will present many high CR "boss" monsters, i would find useful if it came with stats for preferred minions of those, possibly new creatures akin to their master and that can be used as minions or envoy. For example, if Charon were to be statted, other than Thanatodaemons we could have some little buddy like styx elementals, or some kind of "corrupted" oni or psycopomp that act like a different kind of ferryman, or an undead related to the concept of being "robbed" while in the afterlife and coming back for vengeance ....
3) With all the monsters presents in the old bestiaries, maybe is time to propose "monster ecology ideas" that relate certain monsters to others. I mean in a good way (like kobold and dragons) and in a bad way (like intellect devourers and neothelids). I may be wrong, but i've not seen that done so much recently while i find it not only inspiring but an essential part for the characterization of certain creatures.
(sorry for by mad english)
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Yeah, as much as I like to see powerful archfiends, I'd like room for things that would see more play (lower and mid levels).I approve of this message. CR 20+ gets very little usage, in my experience.Not in mine. I'd rather have more big bads for a change.
Until I start running again, I can't really say I dislike having more CR 20+ creatures.
I would like to see more CR 17 to 30 monsters as well. Especially since creating high CR monsters is, in my opinion, more difficult than creating lower CR monsters as you have many more variables to deal with.
I am still hoping for stats for other daemonic harbingers (so far, there are only stats for Zelishkar) and at least one sahkil tormentors (or whatever their nascent demon lord equivalent is). Obviously, some daemons and sahkils in general would not go amiss as well as both races seem to have just a few high level representatives (especially the Sahkils that only have one CR 16 and CR 20 monster).
Paizo should just let Todd write another book about these beasties. :-)
I would have hoped all those high-level things would end up in their own manual. But, oh well... Maybe in another life.
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I would like to see more CR20-30 non-outsider type monsters.
I would have hoped all those high-level things would end up in their own manual. But, oh well... Maybe in another life.
I agree but I guess that whilst this might be the logical thing to do in terms of order (either that or releasing all the monsters of the same time in the same book), it is probably muhc better financially speaking for Paizo to do it as they do now.
This applies actually to most material they release as they tend to spread it over various books. It is really annoying to navigate and I really wish they would release larger and more comprehensive books, but I think that it is not feasible. Although looking at the original (i.e. German) version of The Dark Eye, it seems feasible.
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Well, time for me to begin hoping for a Carnotaurus write up.
Also, this somewhat bugs me on the inclusion of several of these new and strange pc races. I like them, and enjoy the fact that there are plenty of folks that want these, but it bugs me that Lizardfolk still haven't been given a proper write up to be a PC race.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to see the Lizardfolk get their chance in the spotlight.
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Not in mine. I'd rather have more big bads for a change.Yeah, as much as I like to see powerful archfiends, I'd like room for things that would see more play (lower and mid levels).I approve of this message. CR 20+ gets very little usage, in my experience.
CR 20+ don't work too well for Adventure Paths, but they are great for extended play and homebrews.
I thought Mephistopheles was a god, and when pathfinder started they said we wouldn't be fighting those? Great Old Ones and Demon Lords are not full fledged deities (great Old ones answer to the Outer Gods and Demon Lords answer to Lamashtu), but Mephistopheles is listed as one of the Gods that locked Rovagug away. If you can shed some light on this, I'd be grateful.
He's a demigod, not a god.
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Giant-kabobs, Giant creole, Giant gumbo. Pan fried Giant, deep fried Giant, stir-fried Giant. There's pineapple Giant, lemon Giant, coconut Giant, pepper Giant, Giant soup, Giant stew, Giant salad, Giant and potatoes, Giant burger, Giant sandwich.No shrimp giant?
That already made it into B5.
I thought Mephistopheles was a god, and when pathfinder started they said we wouldn't be fighting those? Great Old Ones and Demon Lords are not full fledged deities (great Old ones answer to the Outer Gods and Demon Lords answer to Lamashtu), but Mephistopheles is listed as one of the Gods that locked Rovagug away. If you can shed some light on this, I'd be grateful.
Paizo has mentioned on several occasions that we won't see stats for gods. Mephistopheles isn't a god, though. As an archdevil, he is a demigod, just as demon lords, great old ones, empyreal lords, and other extraplanar hot shots are demigods.
So while the full-fledged gods such as Asmodeus, Pharasma, Iomedae, Abadar, Zon-Kuthon, etc., won't get stat blocks, demigods such as Mephistopheles and Cthulhu will, the idea being that they can serve as epic, end-game adversaries or allies.
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I thought Mephistopheles was a god, and when pathfinder started they said we wouldn't be fighting those? Great Old Ones and Demon Lords are not full fledged deities (great Old ones answer to the Outer Gods and Demon Lords answer to Lamashtu), but Mephistopheles is listed as one of the Gods that locked Rovagug away. If you can shed some light on this, I'd be grateful.
Yup; as folks have confirmed, Mephy is a demigod. He had nothing to do with locking up Rovagug. That would have been Mephy's boss, Asmodeus, among other deities (primarily Sarenrae).
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Dune worms, space monsters, island turtles, powerful and ancient fey, legendary dragons, primordial giants, deadly verdant creatures, titanic oozes, and more kaiju:)
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Wait, the Horsemen of Abaddon? Wow, those statblocks are going to be impressive at the very least. I'm expecting each of them to be CR 30/MR 20.
Also, I hope the next core hardcover after this is an Advanced NPC Codex featuring some of the other core classes. :D
I keep hearing "I am the Bull God" by Kid Rock in my head when ever someone says "Jumbo Shrimp"....
Weird.
I wonder if there will be any other holiday themed monsters other then Krampus.
Marco,
I think the most holiday theme monster I can think of is Fenris. :p ;)
Marco,
I think the most holiday theme monster I can think of is Fenris. :p ;)
Don't you mean FenrIR? Also, isn't Fenrir Norse mythology?
Yeah but the Norse have holidays too!
Yeah but the Norse have holidays too!
I thought that religion died out in the early eighteen hundreds or so...
So?
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Happy Leif Erikson Day:)
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The Old Faiths are alive and well in Europe.Yeah but the Norse have holidays too!I thought that religion died out in the early eighteen hundreds or so...
Except in Europe, it's commonly referred to as "Futball".
Think we'll get dire turkeys?
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If you've ever seen a flock of wild turkeys run through the woods you'll realize the prehistoric turkey was in fact the Velociraptor.
Wait, the Horsemen of Abaddon? Wow, those stat blocks are going to be impressive at the very least. I'm expecting each of them to be CR 30/MR 20.
Also, I hope the next core hardcover after this is an Advanced NPC Codex featuring some of the other core classes. :D
I had always wondered if they ever got stat blocks, would they all be CR 30? If not, I believe it would be something along this:
Famine - CR 27 or 28
Pestilence - CR 28 or 29
War - CR 29
Death - CR 30
Anyway, are we really getting the four of them?
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Wait, the Horsemen of Abaddon? Wow, those stat blocks are going to be impressive at the very least. I'm expecting each of them to be CR 30/MR 20.
Also, I hope the next core hardcover after this is an Advanced NPC Codex featuring some of the other core classes. :D
I had always wondered if they ever got stat blocks, would they all be CR 30? If not, I believe it would be something along this:
Famine - CR 27 or 28
Pestilence - CR 28 or 29
War - CR 29
Death - CR 30Anyway, are we really getting the four of them?
Yep!
Think we'll get dire turkeys?No.
Yeah I think dire turkeys out are this season. Maybe in November.
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I hope to see stats for the flying spaghetti god monster.
Wait, they are? I live in Europe and nobody told me!The Old Faiths are alive and well in Europe.Yeah but the Norse have holidays too!I thought that religion died out in the early eighteen hundreds or so...
Yep. Pretty sure Iceland has a Church dedicated to the Old Gods.
Plus paganism.
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Wait, they are? I live in Europe and nobody told me!The Old Faiths are alive and well in Europe.Yeah but the Norse have holidays too!I thought that religion died out in the early eighteen hundreds or so...Yep. Pretty sure Iceland has a Church dedicated to the Old Gods.
Plus paganism.
I thought paganism is thing that American teenagers(based on tv shows featuring Wicca), hipsters and hippies do to revolt against mainstream religions (or because it sounds cooler to worship Thor in their mind)
Oh also people fascinated with keeping dead cultures alive, those too
Corvus,
No I'm pretty sure some non-hippies and non-hipsters do it.
Also I still like to see Toothgnasher and Teethgrinder as mythic dire goats.
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I thought paganism is thing that American teenagers(based on tv shows featuring Wicca), hipsters and hippies do to revolt against mainstream religions (or because it sounds cooler to worship Thor in their mind)
Oh also people fascinated with keeping dead cultures alive, those too
Plus some less savory groups like white supremacists. Paganism is pretty small, but it's got widespread appeal. (and maybe there's some revolt against mainstream religion but the pagans I know are more just interested by the deities)
A swarm that possesses/inhabits humanoid corpses (like, a smaller version of the Kakuen-Taka) could be interesting.
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I thought paganism is thing that American teenagers(based on tv shows featuring Wicca), hipsters and hippies do to revolt against mainstream religions (or because it sounds cooler to worship Thor in their mind)
Oh also people fascinated with keeping dead cultures alive, those too
England has 50,000-ish of them, so it's not just an 'American teenager' thing. Celtic paganism has ten different recognized churches, from what I've seen. Norse paganism/Asatru is pretty big, and, unfortunately, associated with white supremacists. Kemetics are into the Egyptian gods. There's pagan groups focused on the Greek gods, Romanized gods, etc. as well.
There's even a Jewish pagan group that worships Ashera, a Semetic goddess from before monotheism became a thing.
There's a lot of funky religion out there, and they aren't all 'hipsters.' (Then again, I remember 'hippie' being used to attempt to smear and discredit anyone opposed to the Vietnam War, which, decades later, even some conservatives agree was a bad idea, if only they hadn't been so busy mocking and putting down the people telling them that at the time...)
Read up on the Kurds (the people that are currently our allies against ISIS), and Melek Taus, the Peacock Angel. Stranger than fiction, and I'm pretty sure some would crap kittens if they knew that we were allied with 'devil-worshippers' against 'people of the book.'
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Read up on the Kurds (the people that are currently our allies against ISIS), and Melek Taus, the Peacock Angel. Stranger than fiction, and I'm pretty sure some would crap kittens if they knew that we were allied with 'devil-worshippers' against 'people of the book.'
Ummm.... almost all Kurds (the majority of whom are Muslim), and certainly all Yazidis (i.e. those who believe in Melek Taus) ARE 'people of the book'. That is, their religion is one of the many offshoots of Judaism. Sure, some would consider them 'devil-worshippers'... but those are generally the same people who would say that about all Muslims.