Pathfinder Player Companion: Legacy of Dragons (PFRPG)

A dragon related oracle curse could be hording instinct or very prideful.

I would prefer a Legacy of Fey, Giants, and Beast before aberrations, undead and outsiders.

I would be very interested in what the final cover will look like.

The oracle mystery sounds great. If it does end up being made by Paizo, I just hope it's not as terribly implemented as the Dragon Shaman Druid archetype(which needs a serious remake).

Kinda want to make an occultist, either kobold or Wyvaran, that likes to collect treasure.

We will have some dragon-themed options for druids, and oracles, and shamans.
And lots of other classes and character builds.

We will have some dragon-themed options for druids, and oracles, and shamans.

And lots of other classes and character builds.

*crosses fingers for Linnorm Death Curse Rage Powers*

Will there be anything featuring our favorite Il Duce Mengakere?

Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

We will have some dragon-themed options for druids, and oracles, and shamans.

And lots of other classes and character builds.

*crosses fingers for Linnorm Death Curse Rage Powers*

*crosses fingers for bardic masterpieces*

Legacy of Chaos? Legacy of Balance? Legacy of Law?

Oh...wait...Paizo doesn't care about the non-Good and Evil aspects of the game. Sad.

Champions of Balance and Ganzi say hi.

Is it as much as the Good/Evil stuff? No, but it does exist.

I hope this book will give the other dragons some love and just stuff themed around the metallics and chromatics.

Well it take several years to get a chaos planetouched race so it might take several more for a law based one.

Legacy of Chaos? Legacy of Balance? Legacy of Law?

Oh...wait...Paizo doesn't care about the non-Good and Evil aspects of the game. Sad.

Hyperbole much?

The Books of the Damned are divided along the chaos vs law lines, for example.

So will this have any of the "tarnishing" stuff in it?

*wants more linnorms*

Barachiel Shina wrote:

Legacy of Chaos? Legacy of Balance? Legacy of Law?

Oh...wait...Paizo doesn't care about the non-Good and Evil aspects of the game. Sad.

Hyperbole much?

The Books of the Damned are divided along the chaos vs law lines, for example.

But necessarily evil. He means Law as in "Lawful X," neutral as in "Neutral X," and chaos as in "Chaotic X." Law, neutrality, and chaos as facets of evil, or facets of good, instead of forces in their own right were the commenter's issue. I personally don't care because a lot of alignment-based crunch is inherently limiting and campaign-centric, but I feel you missed his point.

IIRC, the Law-Chaos axis came first (think Elric of Melniboné here) and the Good-Evil axis came along later. Not that it matters. :-)

I can't wait to find out more about this one and maybe get some expectation management as well.

You know how hard it is to get more Inevitables, Proteans and Aeons for a campaign?! Or even a Law vs Chaos themed AP at some point?

But it's ok to make the umpteenth demon/devil/celestial and the "must stop demon/giant/dragon horde" theme again and again.

You know how hard it is to get more Inevitables, Proteans and Aeons for a campaign?! Or even a Law vs Chaos themed AP at some point?

But it's ok to make the umpteenth demon/devil/celestial and the "must stop demon/giant/dragon horde" theme again and again.

Turns out, that for some incomprehensibly complicated reason, PCs fight Evil outsiders more often than they face Neutral ones. I dunno, maybe you have some theory as how it's possible?

Barachiel Shina wrote:

You know how hard it is to get more Inevitables, Proteans and Aeons for a campaign?! Or even a Law vs Chaos themed AP at some point?

But it's ok to make the umpteenth demon/devil/celestial and the "must stop demon/giant/dragon horde" theme again and again.

Turns out, that for some incomprehensibly complicated reason, PCs fight Evil outsiders more often than they face Neutral ones. I dunno, maybe you have some theory as how it's possible?

Nosoi Psychopomps are very cuddly.

Barachiel Shina wrote:

You know how hard it is to get more Inevitables, Proteans and Aeons for a campaign?! Or even a Law vs Chaos themed AP at some point?

But it's ok to make the umpteenth demon/devil/celestial and the "must stop demon/giant/dragon horde" theme again and again.

Turns out, that for some incomprehensibly complicated reason, PCs fight Evil outsiders more often than they face Neutral ones. I dunno, maybe you have some theory as how it's possible?

Instead of Celestials vs Fiends, have Archon, Axiomites, Inevitables, Devils, Kytons, etc vs Azata, Proteans, Demons, etc.

Maybe we will be lucky and the product description/art will update before Paizo Con.

This reminds me more of a shorter version of Dragons of Faerun. Since dragons in Golarion are pretty much either lazy bums that fly out and eat people or conquer realms when bored, or end up as lieutenants in the BBEG's stockpile of minions (ala the Dragon Trope, literally!), some information on how regions are shaped by dragons would be nice. And a dragon based AP wouldn't be boring if you fought a different dragon every time. Look at Giantslayer. So some information on dragon inspired base class stuff is a cool idea. And if it gets expanded into more stuff on dragons or a Pathfindery update to the older Dragons Unlimited/Explored book, that's da awesome as well. If not, the Draconomicon has tons and tons and tons of ideas and setup for dragons in 3.5, as does the older 2nd Ed one for the FR Realms, and there is the third party stuff and Age of Wyrms and Eberron to crib from. Plus Dungeon magazine. And Krynn. And Greyhawk. Flame for an AP villain anyone?

Did you read the info on this, stormcrow27? That is not what the Player Companion line does. What you are asking for seems to be more along the Campaign Setting line. This is about how dragons (or having a dragon legacy) can impact our PCs and choices for character creation, to put it plain and simple. Nothing to do with what you are hoping for, sorry.

This is a player companion book so it will be player focused.

Did you read the info on this, stormcrow27? That is not what the Player Companion line does. What you are asking for seems to be more along the Campaign Setting line. This is about how dragons (or having a dragon legacy) can impact our PCs and choices for character creation, to put it plain and simple. Nothing to do with what you are hoping for, sorry.

Considering what I see in Wishlist topics, not many posters seem to care about knowing and/or remembering the differences between the product lines, Hell, some don't seem to even notice the are more than one product line.

I am glad to get a dragon themed book during the month of birth. Maybe it will happen again another year...hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

You know how hard it is to get more Inevitables, Proteans and Aeons for a campaign?! Or even a Law vs Chaos themed AP at some point?

But it's ok to make the umpteenth demon/devil/celestial and the "must stop demon/giant/dragon horde" theme again and again.

Hell's Rebels is as much a Chaos vs. Law adventure path as it is a Good vs. Evil AP. In fact, when I was building that AP, the chaos vs. law elements were VERY much in the forefront of my mind. Not so much good vs. evil.

Thank you, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou ^_^

I was waiting for this for a long time :D

Wishlist? Huh... get ready XD

Archetypes
- Dragonrider (Cavalier)
- Apsu Zealot (Paladin)
- Dahak Blade (Antipaladin)
- Dracokineticist (Kineticist)
- Dracomancer (Sorcerer)
- Raging Drake (Barbarian)
- Blooded Wyrm (Bloodrager)
- Dragon Guard (Fighter)
- Dracochymist (Alchemist)
- Hoard Collector (Occultist)
- Draco Conjurer ([Unchained] Summoner)

(Please excuse the cheesy names... not my strong suit ^^; )

Racial Traits
- Kobold
- Wyvaran
- Human

Rules
- Armors and weapons made from specific draconic materials
- Dragons as familiars
- Apsu, Dahak and Tiamat as deities (basically more info)

Monsters
- Hellwyrm
- Dragon-blooded animals (suitable as animal companions)
- Golem made from a dragon's hoard
- Sentient elemental creature made from a breath weapon
- Apsu's herald and petitioner
- Dahak's herald and petitioner
- Tiamat's herald and petitioner

Of course, more feats, spells and magic items to complement everything nicely ^_^

I would change the names to Apsu Blade and Dahak Zealot. Otherwise some interesting sounding archetypes.

This is a players companion so I doubt we will see monster stats in this book though I could see some new dragon related familiar options.

Sounds a bit like Krynn 2.0...should that happen, i ask for some kend..cough..halfling options.

I am sure there will be options for all core races, it's the non-core ones that are up in the air.

Wishlist? Huh... get ready XD

Rules
- Apsu, Dahak and Tiamat as deities (basically more info)

Monsters
- Apsu's herald and petitioner
- Dahak's herald and petitioner
- Tiamat's herald and petitioner

Deity-wise both Apsu and Dahak have been covered in Inner Sea Faiths, complete with obediences and evangelist/exalted/sentinel boons. (But minus the sidebars detailing related traits, feats, prestige classes, etc.)

I'm not sure where their Herald stat blocks might be.

And I believe that Tiamat is not slated for much detail ever, as her best-known incarnation (Krynn's Tiamat/Takhisis) is part of WotC's IP (i.e., Krynn), and therefore not available. (Kind of like how Demogorgon exists in the Paizo 'verse as he is listed in some mediaeval bestiary or the like, but not in the snakey double baboon-headed incarnation so familiar from WotC's IP.)

Yeah, Tiamat was basically namdropped so that everybody including her in their home games doesn't have to do headcanon in order to have her in the setting.

Archetypes

- Dragonrider (Cavalier)
- Apsu Zealot (Paladin)
- Dahak Blade (Antipaladin)
- Dracokineticist (Kineticist)
- Dracomancer (Sorcerer)
- Raging Drake (Barbarian)
- Blooded Wyrm (Bloodrager)
- Dragon Guard (Fighter)
- Dracochymist (Alchemist)
- Hoard Collector (Occultist)
- Draco Conjurer ([Unchained] Summoner)

I hope they do better with any dragon themed archetype than they did with the Dragon Shaman druid.

Don't get me started on the dragon shaman.

I would change the names to Apsu Blade and Dahak Zealot. Otherwise some interesting sounding archetypes.

I'm no good at naming stuff, whoops :P

JiCi wrote:

Wishlist? Huh... get ready XD

Rules
- Apsu, Dahak and Tiamat as deities (basically more info)

Monsters
- Apsu's herald and petitioner
- Dahak's herald and petitioner
- Tiamat's herald and petitioner

Deity-wise both Apsu and Dahak have been covered in Inner Sea Faiths, complete with obediences and evangelist/exalted/sentinel boons. (But minus the sidebars detailing related traits, feats, prestige classes, etc.)

I'm not sure where their Herald stat blocks might be.

And I believe that Tiamat is not slated for much detail ever, as her best-known incarnation (Krynn's Tiamat/Takhisis) is part of WotC's IP (i.e., Krynn), and therefore not available. (Kind of like how Demogorgon exists in the Paizo 'verse as he is listed in some mediaeval bestiary or the like, but not in the snakey double baboon-headed incarnation so familiar from WotC's IP.)

Huh, I see, I should check that one out too ;)

JiCi wrote:

Archetypes

- Dragonrider (Cavalier)
- Apsu Zealot (Paladin)
- Dahak Blade (Antipaladin)
- Dracokineticist (Kineticist)
- Dracomancer (Sorcerer)
- Raging Drake (Barbarian)
- Blooded Wyrm (Bloodrager)
- Dragon Guard (Fighter)
- Dracochymist (Alchemist)
- Hoard Collector (Occultist)
- Draco Conjurer ([Unchained] Summoner)

I hope they do better with any dragon themed archetype than they did with the Dragon Shaman druid.

Well, change the name to "Saurian Shaman" and have the new one being "Dragon Shaman", how would that sound?

I would love to see the updated cover.

I would love to see the updated cover.

This one not good enough for you?! I see how you are... I like it, myself, though this will not be the final one.

:P

I would be surprised if they updated the cover art/description before the end of the month.

One thing that I think would be cool would be a dragon tamer archetype, preferably for bard, that is focused around controlling beasts and whatnot, having better fascinate and sleep performances against non-humanoids at earlier levels, and then at higher levels getting performances that allow them a certain amount of control over monsters, like so long as the performance is going, you can give them the confused condition, but you pick the action instead of random.

One thing that I think would be cool would be a dragon tamer archetype, preferably for bard, that is focused around controlling beasts and whatnot, having better fascinate and sleep performances against non-humanoids at earlier levels, and then at higher levels getting performances that allow them a certain amount of control over monsters, like so long as the performance is going, you can give them the confused condition, but you pick the action instead of random.

Not a bad idea. If done right, would not be OP, either. I agree that it should be a bard...as if that is any surprise.

A dragon themed bard archetype would be cool in general.

I think that some of the PRCs in Dragon Magic and Draconomican might make good archetypes for this book.

A draconic shaman (not to be confused with other failures to implement) with a pseudo-dragon or faerie dragon or the like as the 'spirit animal' would be awesome.

Or even 'deferred spirit animal' where the character gets some other class feature and then gets the spirit animal later so it fits the mold of cavalier, druid, paladin, etc.

A draconic shaman (not to be confused with other failures to implement) with a pseudo-dragon or faerie dragon or the like as the 'spirit animal' would be awesome.

Or even 'deferred spirit animal' where the character gets some other class feature and then gets the spirit animal later so it fits the mold of cavalier, druid, paladin, etc.

I agree.

I want, for my animal companion/familiar, Pip, the Alaspinian Mini-dragon. :-)

I want, for my animal companion/familiar, Pip, the Alaspinian Mini-dragon. :-)

I'm as big a Flinx fan as you are likely to find, but there'd be some clear IP issues on this one.

That said, I am as big a Flinx fan as you are likely to find...

Some more types of mini dragons would be cool especially as familiar options.

I would love to one day see a dragon companion option maybe with the make your own rules like Eidolons but a little more balanced.

Owen, I've made up my mind, don't try to confuse me with facts! :-)

Dragon-empowered paladin, please. I would squee so hard.