Pathfinder Player Companion: Legacy of Dragons (PFRPG)

Gisher wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Gisher wrote:

I'm really hoping that these new Draconic Bloodlines will be compatible with Dragon Disciple without requiring an archetype like the Linnorm Bloodline does. I'd love to build a Blood Arcanist with an Umbral Draconic Bloodline.

Archetype?

The Linnorm Bloodline requires that you be a Wildblooded Sorcerer. So it isn't available to other classes like Blood Arcanist. Plus it takes away Claws so you lose the DD Bite. I'm hoping the new Draconic Bloodlines simply add more choices to the list for the standard Draconic Bloodline.

I personally hope they're completely new bloodlines, but there's a sidebar saying that they count as draconic for dragon disciple and get advanced by it. We shall just have to see, though.

I hope so too.

I hope they are new bloodlines and not alternate mutations like from UM.

Gisher wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Gisher wrote:

I'm really hoping that these new Draconic Bloodlines will be compatible with Dragon Disciple without requiring an archetype like the Linnorm Bloodline does. I'd love to build a Blood Arcanist with an Umbral Draconic Bloodline.

Archetype?

The Linnorm Bloodline requires that you be a Wildblooded Sorcerer. So it isn't available to other classes like Blood Arcanist. Plus it takes away Claws so you lose the DD Bite. I'm hoping the new Draconic Bloodlines simply add more choices to the list for the standard Draconic Bloodline.

I personally hope they're completely new bloodlines, but there's a sidebar saying that they count as draconic for dragon disciple and get advanced by it. We shall just have to see, though.

So long as they work well with DD then I'm happy.

Rysky wrote:

Gisher wrote:

I'm really hoping that these new Draconic Bloodlines will be compatible with Dragon Disciple without requiring an archetype like the Linnorm Bloodline does. I'd love to build a Blood Arcanist with an Umbral Draconic Bloodline.

Archetype?

The Linnorm Bloodline requires that you be a Wildblooded Sorcerer. So it isn't available to other classes like Blood Arcanist. Plus it takes away Claws so you lose the DD Bite. I'm hoping the new Draconic Bloodlines simply add more choices to the list for the standard Draconic Bloodline.

I agree. I wonder when these will be ready for PFS?

I just relized that a Questioner Investigator qualifies for Dragon Disciple! I've always wanted an Int-based "Bard" to try that with.

*Runs off to set up new spreadsheets.*

Where can I find this "questioner"?

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I just relized that a Questioner Investigator qualifies for Dragon Disciple! I've always wanted an Int-based "Bard" to try that with.

*Runs off to set up new spreadsheets.*

Where can I find this "questioner"?

It's an archetype from Magic Tactics Toolbox.

I'm hoping for Bloodrager's to get these bloodlines too. Also maybe some final words on Bloodrager's and DD, unless I missed that occurence

I'm hoping for Bloodrager's to get these bloodlines too. Also maybe some final words on Bloodrager's and DD, unless I missed that occurence

This is the last update that I know of.

Thomas Seitz wrote:

*obviously loves Linnorms but other dragons are cool too*

He's a Linnorm lover.

Indeed I am. So is Rysky.

RAW do bloodragers qualfy for the Dragon Disciple PRC?

RAW do bloodragers qualfy for the Dragon Disciple PRC?

Considering all you need is to not be of the Dragon type, 5 ranks in Knowledge (arcana), the ability to speak draconic, and the ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation, it's easy enough for a bloodrager to qualify for dragon disciple. And blood of dragons even increases their bloodline powers.

That is great to know. For some reason I really like that PRC.

RAW do bloodragers qualfy for the Dragon Disciple PRC?

Relevant FAQ

EltonJ wrote:

Thomas Seitz wrote:

*obviously loves Linnorms but other dragons are cool too*

He's a Linnorm lover.

Indeed I am. So is Rysky.

Damn right I am.

Thomas Seitz wrote:

EltonJ wrote:

Thomas Seitz wrote:

*obviously loves Linnorms but other dragons are cool too*

He's a Linnorm lover.

Indeed I am. So is Rysky.

Damn right I am.

Coolness. We might as well let you love linnorms.

Rysky wrote:

Thomas Seitz wrote:

EltonJ wrote:

Thomas Seitz wrote:

*obviously loves Linnorms but other dragons are cool too*

He's a Linnorm lover.

Indeed I am. So is Rysky.

Damn right I am.

Coolness. We might as well let you love linnorms.

Yes, yes you will ^w^

jedi8187 wrote:

I'm hoping for Bloodrager's to get these bloodlines too. Also maybe some final words on Bloodrager's and DD, unless I missed that occurence

This is the last update that I know of.

Thanks, was afraid I missed something somewhere on the ambiguity

Otherwise I think Rysky and I might have to start doing occult rituals to showcase that love some how in a much scarier way. ;)

Why can't you show love without using occult rituals;)

What is love?

What is love?

Baby don't hurt me. Don't hurt me. No more.

Now that the Second Question has been asked... Just to make sure, will this be available at GenCon physically?

The real question would be "why wouldn't be available at Gencon" because I highly doubt it will not be there.

Will there be something to help give dragon blooded sorcerers access to psychic magic abilities if they are descended from those types of dragons?

Maybe there will be a esoteric dragon bloodline.

That would be neat!

Even if there isn't, that wouldn't be bad flavor for the psychic bloodline either, and you could snag a few draconic bloodline elements if desired via either crossblooded or the eldritch heritage line of feats.

Even if there isn't, that wouldn't be bad flavor for the psychic bloodline either, and you could snag a few draconic bloodline elements if desired via either crossblooded or the eldritch heritage line of feats.

That is true as well.

Maybe there will be a esoteric dragon bloodline.

If I'm not mistaken, they said there would be.

New draconic bloodlines for bloodragers and sorcerers, allowing eldritch abilities based on esoteric, imperial, outer, and primal dragons.

Or did you mean something else?

What is love?

TERRORBOT!

Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more...

Phobee,

I think we covered that.

Dragon,

Why not?

I believe I just flagged at least a dozen posts. Quit with the off topic posts, please.

Primal dragons are my faves! I would love to see a Crystal and Cloud Draconic bloodline...

Was I one of them Four? Cause I thought I was on topic with my commentary about linnorms and dragon themed stuff...

Was I one of them Four? Cause I thought I was on topic with my commentary about linnorms and dragon themed stuff...

Linnorm goodness will be in this book.

Good cause last thing I need is more reports. :p ;) Just linnorm goodness.

I'm looking forward to the imperial, they have a place in a homebrew I'm working on.

So far I like all of the different types of dragons. I got a hold of the old 2nd edition Council of Wyrms and miss the gem dragons, but those are not under the Open Liscence Agreement are they?

The existence of magic on Golarion certainly seems to play hell with genetics. :-)

Magic is the ultimate mad scientist;)

Did we get a confirmation of a dragon summoner archetype, or was that just a pipe dream?

Genuine curiosity and not criticism:
What's so great about linnorms?

As GM I used one once. Seemed like a decent way to have the PCs fight a dragon without the political background expected with most of the chromatics, but that was about it.

Genuine curiosity and not criticism:

What's so great about linnorms?

As GM I used one once. Seemed like a decent way to have the PCs fight a dragon without the political background expected with most of the chromatics, but that was about it.

Because you're basically throwing a Berserker instead of a Magic Knight at the party which is what happens you use dragons normally.

That the regeneration and DEATH CURSES are fun :3

Plus their lore and mindset.

Genuine curiosity and not criticism:

What's so great about linnorms?

As GM I used one once. Seemed like a decent way to have the PCs fight a dragon without the political background expected with most of the chromatics, but that was about it.

For me personally, linnorms actually feel like the dragons from myths and legend...big, ferocious, hard to put down, complete with their nasty death curses. D&D's chromatic and metallic dragons on the other hand are very much spellcasters, which generally feels weird...it's very much a D&D concept rather than something reflected in most mythology. Of course, that doesn't really apply to Eastern concepts of dragons, who are essentially deities of storms and rivers, so I find imperial dragons to fit their own concept fairly well...but yeah, linnorms, drakes, and other dragons fit my own mental image of dragons a lot better. Not that I necessarily hate chromatics and metallics, per se, I just prefer linnorms. And imperials. Maybe outer dragons. I kinda like the esoteric occult dragon too...

Death curses are neat; the PCs did not fail, however, so that mostly got left by the wayside.

I like things with regeneration, but by the time you're fighting a CR 15+ dragon, cold iron isn't exactly in short supply. And since their DR is also overcome by cold iron, I feel like their defenses leave something to be desired.

The lore is that they're progenitor dragons from the first world, right? That over time they evolved into the more classic D&D-esque chromatics and metallic? Am I remember that right?
What is their mindset?

Thinking about it, I actually DO like the pure combatant v.s. the spell user for most dragons. Save the "smart" dragons for the intrigue or longer story games. Use linnorms for a terrifying monster that (for some reason) still sleep atop mounts of gold. Anyone have an explanation for that?
I could really go for a book that took linnorms and gave them age categories so I could use them earlier without tons of work.

They fit the classic Norse myth version of dragons and I like there connection with the First World. I also like the fact they have regeneration, a death curse, and a lot of immunities I think dragons should have in general.

I wonder if there are any true dragon species or at least other sub category types of dragons from the first world other then linnorms and the Jabberwocky.

Death curses are neat; the PCs did not fail, however, so that mostly got left by the wayside.

I like things with regeneration, but by the time you're fighting a CR 15+ dragon, cold iron isn't exactly in short supply. And since their DR is also overcome by cold iron, I feel like their defenses leave something to be desired.

The lore is that they're progenitor dragons from the first world, right? That over time they evolved into the more classic D&D-esque chromatics and metallic? Am I remember that right?
What is their mindset?

Thinking about it, I actually DO like the pure combatant v.s. the spell user for most dragons. Save the "smart" dragons for the intrigue or longer story games. Use linnorms for a terrifying monster that (for some reason) still sleep atop mounts of gold. Anyone have an explanation for that?
I could really go for a book that took linnorms and gave them age categories so I could use them earlier without tons of work.

This is explained in the bestiary entry. They basically rampage until they work themselves into a exhausted coma. The their rage and spite festers in their head until they can't hold it back anymore and they wake up and rampage again.

No idea about the gold though. They like shiny stuff? Outside of Pathfinder's Fafnheir I don't actually know of any Linnorms that keep loot piles. Body piles on the other hand...

The linnorm entry on the PRD for bestiary 3 says (among other things) "Sweeping bones and treasures alike into giant piles in its lair, the typical linnorm has a barbaric nature made all the worse by its insatiable greed and atrocious gluttony"
skipping several interesting paragraphs...." Linnorms are prone to gorging and then falling into a deep sleep near their treasure hordes, waking either when they become aware of intruders in their vicinity or to feed once more."

So it seems they DO keep piles of treasure. Though, it almost feels like they just kind of heap all of their stuff together, maybe without regard for value?
Perhaps they use their accululated treasure to lure greedy adventurers into their lair so they can eat the squish bodies and get more loot to attract MORE adventurers!
It's like the linnorm is getting paid to eat.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.

Personally, my preference is to use drakes at lower CRs as the lesser, less supernatural cousins of linnorms, which cover the lower ranges fairly nicely, along with a few others - I'm a big fan of the korir-kokembe from Inner Sea Bestiary as a nice CR 10 jungle dragon, for example, while the kyrana from Monster Codex makes a decent CR 3 threat, the peluda from Bestiary 4 is another delightfully weird CR 10 dragon, the tatzlwyrm from Bestiary 3 can make another decent low level threat at CR 2. There's certainly some other high CR ones that are fun to throw in besides linnorms, such as the jabberwock from Bestiary 2, the woundwyrm from Inner Sea Bestiary, the kongamato from Bestiary 3, the gorynych also to be found in Bestiary 3...

...but I digress. There's definitely enough variety to have dragons from low to high level without touching true dragons and their age categories, whether you want your final boss to be the wondrous jabberwock or the amazing Fafnheir (got to love that death curse)...