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Will there be any rules in here or will it just be catalog?
Lavishly illustrated with hundreds and hundreds of full-color illustrations and organized in a new easy-to-reference format that groups magic items by “slot,” Ultimate Equipment sorts all magical and mundane equipment released in the hardcover Pathfinder Roleplaying Game line to date with tons and tons of new items to create the most comprehensive treasure resource ever created for the Pathfinder RPG!
Emphasis mine.
Dragnmoon
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Emphasis mine.
That did not actual answer my question, New Items still describes it as a Catalog. I want to know if there will be any new Item Related Rules...
James Jacobs
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I'm really hoping that the new content includes more mechanics too, and not just lists of items.
I can't wait to see all the new magic items, and maybe artifacts!
As Erik mentioned above... there's very few, and probably no new mechanics in this book. It's pretty much all items, all the time.
Dragnmoon
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Though I would not expect a lot, will there be any Gunslinger support in this? Guns? Weapon Special Abilities?
Be forewarned I am about to ask about Gunslinger support in another product. ;)
| zagnabbit |
"...Ultimate Equipment sorts all magical and mundane equipment released in the hardcover Pathfinder Roleplaying Game line to date..."
How much duplication will there be between Adventurer's Armory, APG, and this? For that matter, are we going to see reprint of Core Rulebook items?
I'm kind of hoping it does repeat the core stuff, having everything in one book is just spectacular for us old guys who like the dead tree tables. Nice for noobies too.
Hopefully the descriptions actually describe the weirder weapons and clear up their implementation. (Cough Rope Dart, ahem). Some art on things like Mere clubs, Aklys etc. There are enough weird weapons now to warrant it. My newer, less weapon savvy players could really use this type of assistance. The Urumi almost gave my brother in law an aneurism.
I'm with Mikaze on the Monk enhancement for UA strikes. Monk substitution weapons would be cool for monks from non traditional backgrounds.
It's the new alchemical items that have me excited. Prior to Paizo this was one of the most overlooked areas in equipment, high level pricy alchemicals could be so cool.
| Cheapy |
this would be the perfect place to plug in a artificer type class.
One thats not a vancian caster like in 3.5 but rather a non magical wand / gear junky that can bring out the absolute best in any item and craft any item.
I believe there won't be anything but equipment in this book. No new base classes, no archetypes, no spells.
...maybe equipment trick feats, who knows.
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Stasiscell wrote:this would be the perfect place to plug in a artificer type class.
One thats not a vancian caster like in 3.5 but rather a non magical wand / gear junky that can bring out the absolute best in any item and craft any item.I believe there won't be anything but equipment in this book. No new base classes, no archetypes, no spells.
...maybe equipment trick feats, who knows.
i know and i doubt there will be feats as well, dont get me wrong it looks like a awesome product and ill still be getting it but talk about missed opportunity with the artificer / feats.
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It repeats the core rulebook stuff, but a lot of it has been rearranged by magic item "slot." We agonized over this, but eventually sided with making this book a more useful reference by including pretty much everything.
And thank you for that :) I know you're going to get complaints from people about paying for old material again, but from me a big thanks. It's such a pain having to search through four different rulebooks for the thing you want. After having just done similarly for a Wizard character (except with spells) I'm hoping you're planing to do a Ultimate Spells at some point with updated Class Lists :)
| Laurefindel |
We agonized over this [including core in ultimate equipment], but eventually sided with making this book a more useful reference by including pretty much everything.
I can get behind this decision: a catalogue without the basic stuff isn't a complete catalogue. I would have hated the "This is the ultimate equipment book! ...once you add its content to this, and this... oh, and this too".
'findel
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All in all I am glad to see this. It's a huge help not to have to pull out four differnt books every time I need to referance something. And I agree with others that some more art would be wonderful. I love the pictures in these books but like it was say there are times where items exist and me nor my players really know what we are looking at.
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I wonder, if there's going to be new alchemical stuff, will the alternate rules for alchemical items as additional material components for spells from Adventurer's Armory be coming back?
New items, totally. Don't expect alternate rules systems about equipment, though. This is all pieces of equipment all the time, not discussions about them or tricks to use them.
James Jacobs
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Dragon78 wrote:I just hope that we get some high level alchemical items.+1
Been a problem with d20 for a decade. Now that there's a real alchemist base class with continuing support, it's needed more than ever.
Alchemical items are NOT the same as items for alchemists.
One of the main elements of alchemical items is that they're "small magic." They're not MEANT to be things for high level players to look forward to. Or even things for mid level characters to do the same for. They're meant to be relatively inexpensive but still useful tools for low level characters.
Doesn't mean we can't and won't do magic items specifically geared toward alchemsts... but they'll be MAGIC items, not alchemical items.
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It repeats the core rulebook stuff, but a lot of it has been rearranged by magic item "slot." We agonized over this, but eventually sided with making this book a more useful reference by including pretty much everything.
I'm glad you did; in fact, I wouldn't mind if you had repeated most of the stuff (mundane and magical) from AA and APG as well. Sometimes it's a serious pain to equip mid/high level PCs and NPCs with three books open on the table...
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Erik Mona wrote:I'm glad you did; in fact, I wouldn't mind if you had repeated most of the stuff (mundane and magical) from AA and APG as well. Sometimes it's a serious pain to equip mid/high level PCs and NPCs with three books open on the table...It repeats the core rulebook stuff, but a lot of it has been rearranged by magic item "slot." We agonized over this, but eventually sided with making this book a more useful reference by including pretty much everything.
I totally appreciate the convenience factor of bringing together already-seen material from other Paizo products. But speaking as someone who already has all the other Paizo products I can't understate how much I hope that 'tons and tons of new items' translates into at least 25% of the book.
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Alchemical items are NOT the same as items for alchemists.
One of the main elements of alchemical items is that they're "small magic." They're not MEANT to be things for high level players to look forward to. Or even things for mid level characters to do the same for. They're meant to be relatively inexpensive but still useful tools for low level characters.
Doesn't mean we can't and won't do magic items specifically geared toward alchemsts... but they'll be MAGIC items, not alchemical items.
But WHY? I mean, I get that the Alchemist has bombs, and elixirs and such, but one of the things I like about them is their mastery of the Craft: Alchemy skill. With the right preparation, they can effectively be Batman. Why does alchemy have to top out at about fifth level when magic items push them rudely out of the way?
Where's the love for the Greater Tanglefoot bag that effects whole rooms?
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Asgetrion wrote:Erik Mona wrote:I'm glad you did; in fact, I wouldn't mind if you had repeated most of the stuff (mundane and magical) from AA and APG as well. Sometimes it's a serious pain to equip mid/high level PCs and NPCs with three books open on the table...It repeats the core rulebook stuff, but a lot of it has been rearranged by magic item "slot." We agonized over this, but eventually sided with making this book a more useful reference by including pretty much everything.
I totally appreciate the convenience factor of bringing together already-seen material from other Paizo products. But speaking as someone who already has all the other Paizo products I can't understate how much I hope that 'tons and tons of new items' translates into at least 25% of the book.
Core+APG magic items = 130 pages, so even with all the Golarion-sey items I think we're looking at least 200 pages of new content or so.
| Cheapy |
James Jacobs wrote:Alchemical items are NOT the same as items for alchemists.
One of the main elements of alchemical items is that they're "small magic." They're not MEANT to be things for high level players to look forward to. Or even things for mid level characters to do the same for. They're meant to be relatively inexpensive but still useful tools for low level characters.
Doesn't mean we can't and won't do magic items specifically geared toward alchemsts... but they'll be MAGIC items, not alchemical items.
But WHY? I mean, I get that the Alchemist has bombs, and elixirs and such, but one of the things I like about them is their mastery of the Craft: Alchemy skill. With the right preparation, they can effectively be Batman. Why does alchemy have to top out at about fifth level when magic items push them rudely out of the way?
Where's the love for the Greater Tanglefoot bag that effects whole rooms?
Ah yes, the fabled bag of black tentacles.