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Off all Adventure Paths it's not useful but the hardcover compilation of the 4 OGL Adventure Path maybe yes...
Well, I'd be content with a pathfinderized CoCT...
I would like them all.
An it would be nice if SD had the missing level filled in.
Oh, I'd like them all. Actually, I'd buy them all.
It's just that I would absolutely LOVE CoCT...
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On collections of other APs:
They've answered this several times before.
There are currently no plans to do collections of any other APs. There are important business reasons that seem to make it a bad idea for Paizo to do this for other APs. The basic problem is that they'd essentially be competing with their own products, so there wouldn't be much room for net benefit, and they'd risk messing up their core business model. The circumstances surrounding Rise of the Runelords were unique and particular to just RotRL.
That being said, those business conditions could change in the future. And some folks said at PaizoCon that if sales of RotRL Anniversary Edition are extremely strong, doing other collections could become a more likely possibility. Curse of the Crimson Throne has been the most commonly mentioned candidate if they ever do this again.
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And some folks said at PaizoCon that if sales of RotRL Anniversary Edition are extremely strong, doing other collections could become a more likely possibility.
"Some folks" are likely not the folks who would actually be making that decision.
It doesn't matter how well it sells—we will not be training customers to avoid purchasing APs upon release by giving them the expectation that a better and cheaper collected edition will be released in the future. Rise of the Runelords is an exception, not the start of a pattern.
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I really doubt that anyone who is actually interested in buying APs in the first place would want to wait decades (if one is released every 5 years, Shattered Star's hardcover wouldn't be released until 50 years from now) to buy a new AP because it might at some point in the (very) distant future be released as a hardcover.
But I certainly understand the decision not to release further hardcovers.
I've actually decided that I'm glad it's not a regular thing. It seems to me that there's room for one special, out-of-the-ordinary product each year. It's great to get 'tidied up' versions of old products, but it's better (in my opinion) to get something brand new.
A big part of what makes the RotRL compilation special to me (and why I'm getting both versions) is the celebratory "look how well we've done" feeling. If it became regular, I suspect it would also become far less special.
Gimme more new stuff! :)
I really doubt that anyone who is actually interested in buying APs in the first place would want to wait decades (if one is released every 5 years, Shattered Star's hardcover wouldn't be released until 50 years from now) to buy a new AP because it might at some point in the (very) distant future be released as a hardcover.
But they might decide not to subscribe to Shattered Star if a revised Legacy of Fire was coming out next year (as an example).
Yes, which is why I understand the decision not to release more of them.
Edit: I also agree that new stuff is better than revised old stuff in the vast majority of cases, and that RotRL is a special case.
Is the anniversary edition going to stay in publication for a while or is this going to be a limited release only? Cant find any info on it, of course my google fu may be weak today.
I ask only because I see a bunch of copies at the LGS, but am a bit broke & may be so for a while. >_>
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Is the anniversary edition going to stay in publication for a while or is this going to be a limited release only? Cant find any info on it, of course my google fu may be weak today.
I ask only because I see a bunch of copies at the LGS, but am a bit broke & may be so for a while. >_>
I imagine this book is like most of their books. They do a print run of all preorders +%. I am not sure what the bonus over is, seems like I recall 20% but I honestly don't know. Most of their books take 3 years to sell out. A few have sold out faster though. I would imagine you have some time before this one sales out.
I gave in today and bought the pdf, downloading it right now. With the book, I will either see if I can get it in some FLGS or waint until the german translation is available, probably next year. Supporting the german company occasionally (mostly for hardcovers) is a good thing too.
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My VC not only picked up a copy of this for me at Paizocon - he also got it signed by the authors, etc. Now I just have one problem: identifying the signatures! Can anybody help? (I wasn't there when the book was signed, so I couldn't take notes).
I've temporarily put a scan of the page with the signatures here
There are three columns of signatures - four in the left column, three in the middle column, and four in the right column (for a total of eleven).
The topmost signature in the left column is fairly clearly Wayne Reynolds. Then the six authors of the individual chapters are:
1) James Jacobs (2nd entry in column 3?)
2) Richard Pett (1st entry in column 3?)
3) Nicolas Logue (3rd entry in column 1?)
4) Wolfgang Baur (4th entry in column 1?)
5) Stephen S Greer (1st entry in column 2?)
6) Greg Vaughan (3rd entry in column 3?)
If all those identifications are correct, I'm left with:
2nd entry in column 1
2nd entry in column 2 **
3rd entry in column 2 (Erik Mona?)
4th entry in column 3 (Robert Lazzaretti?)
Can anyone:
a) confirm (or correct) my identifications
b) identify the two remaining signatures
(** I think the 2nd entry in column 2 could well be Sean Reynolds)
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My VC not only picked up a copy of this for me at Paizocon - he also got it signed by the authors, etc. Now I just have one problem: identifying the signatures! Can anybody help? (I wasn't there when the book was signed, so I couldn't take notes).
I've temporarily put a scan of the page with the signatures here
There are three columns of signatures - four in the left column, three in the middle column, and four in the right column (for a total of eleven).
The topmost signature in the left column is fairly clearly Wayne Reynolds. Then the six authors of the individual chapters are:1) James Jacobs (2nd entry in column 3?)
2) Richard Pett (1st entry in column 3?)
3) Nicolas Logue (3rd entry in column 1?)
4) Wolfgang Baur (4th entry in column 1?)
5) Stephen S Greer (1st entry in column 2?)
6) Greg Vaughan (3rd entry in column 3?)If all those identifications are correct, I'm left with:
2nd entry in column 1
2nd entry in column 2 **
3rd entry in column 2 (Erik Mona?)
4th entry in column 3 (Robert Lazzaretti?)Can anyone:
a) confirm (or correct) my identifications
b) identify the two remaining signatures(** I think the 2nd entry in column 2 could well be Sean Reynolds)
You've definateley got James right - it matches his intro signature. Interestingly, Erik has never done a AP intro (at least none of the issues I own), and Rob doesn't sign his maps, but I'd agree with you on them.
The second one in column 2 is probably Sarah Robinson, the Art Director
Going to pick up my book today when the hobby store opens, got a question though for those of you who have it, or have done the campaign.
What are the best flip and map packs to get that covers a lot of the terrian thoughout the modules?
I have more than a few, but being new to Pathfinder and never playing any Rise of the Runelords...
Cheers, thanks
Tom
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And some folks said at PaizoCon that if sales of RotRL Anniversary Edition are extremely strong, doing other collections could become a more likely possibility."Some folks" are likely not the folks who would actually be making that decision.
It doesn't matter how well it sells—we will not be training customers to avoid purchasing APs upon release by giving them the expectation that a better and cheaper collected edition will be released in the future. Rise of the Runelords is an exception, not the start of a pattern.
Totally understandable overall, but I'd still slay a dragon for the other pre-Pathfinder APs to be updated and collected.
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So I downloaded the PDF and have been perusing it in anticipation for running it for my friends. I'm using a VTT, since I'm in Virginia and my friends live in Louisiana. Overall, I'm really liking it - the layout, the changes, etc. There are, however, just a few minor points that bug me. First,the very first encounter isn't included in the interactive map file, and the map in the book has writing on it, and a reference to the GameMastery flip mat. I can understand why Paizo would want to cross-link products, but it is kind of a bummer that I can't use the map in the product I bought. There's a fan-made version over in the RotRL forum but it doesn't have the extra festival stuff. The other issue is also map-related, in that there are no maps for the added crypt encounter at the beginning. (And there never were for the Monster in the Closet or Shopkeeper's Daughter encounters, though there are fan made versions of those, too.)
Personally, I'd love to have a map for every part of Sandpoint, including building interiors, but I realize that isn't feasible. But ones for areas where combat could happen would be nice.
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First,the very first encounter isn't included in the interactive map file, and the map in the book has writing on it, and a reference to the GameMastery flip mat.
Have you tried using the map from the PDF?
When I grab the map from the PDF I get just the background map, with no writing on it. That's been the case with everything I've tried to extract from this book, scenarios, and anything else I've got as a PDF. What I end up with is pretty close to what I'd show to the players (with the exception of the odd secret room or door on some maps); all the extra annotations, GM-only details, etc. aren't included.
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Here is a key for your signatures. From top to bottom.
Thanks, Lisa (and apologies to Sean and to Sarah for getting confused by the SR - I should have taken more notice of the colour of the ink).
We (my wife and I) thought that your signature should have been present, but even with that assumption I couldn't convince myself that was what that second one was. I couldn't ask for a more definitive identification!
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Here is a key for your signatures. From top to bottom.Thanks, Lisa (and apologies to Sean and to Sarah for getting confused by the SR - I should have taken more notice of the colour of the ink).
We (my wife and I) thought that your signature should have been present, but even with that assumption I couldn't convince myself that was what that second one was. I couldn't ask for a more definitive identification!
My signature devolved into what it is today when I had to start signing checks. For a while it was a Lis Ste and then it became one word with a definite L and then a tt and then a scribble. If you read Auntie Lusa's latest blog and clicked the link to my blog from 2007, you would have seen my sig there. It is also in the latest Wayfinder.
Anyway, glad to be of help!
Lisa
First,the very first encounter isn't included in the interactive map file, and the map in the book has writing on it, and a reference to the GameMastery flip mat.Have you tried using the map from the PDF?
When I grab the map from the PDF I get just the background map, with no writing on it. That's been the case with everything I've tried to extract from this book, scenarios, and anything else I've got as a PDF. What I end up with is pretty close to what I'd show to the players (with the exception of the odd secret room or door on some maps); all the extra annotations, GM-only details, etc. aren't included.
Huh. Well don't I feel silly. I had been doing captures out of the interactive map, which was time consuming (first remove labels, set on player view w/ grid, select area for cropping...) and this works much better, thanks! That said, it doesn't work for any of the final maps for the ending location in Burnt Offerings (haven't tried beyond that) - instead I got a bunch of black areas on the parchment style background.
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It doesn't work for any of the final maps for the ending location in Burnt Offerings (haven't tried beyond that) - instead I got a bunch of black areas on the parchment style background.
I believe this kind of thing is currently being looked into by the Paizo folks (I'm not sure if it was for RotRL or some other product; if it wasn't for RotRL your post will have let them know the problem exists there as well). I expect they'll find out what is causing it, and update the downloads when there is a solution.
So I am still undecided as to if I want to drop the forty something to get the new PDF.
My primary motivator would probably be the content regarding Thassilonian magic (spells, magic items, and the "Sin point" system)
Granted.....I'm a bit of an art whoar as well....;)
So sell me on it.
Is the updated content worth the forty bucks ?
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My signature devolved into what it is today when I had to start signing checks. For a while it was a Lis Ste and then it became one word with a definite L and then a tt and then a scribble. If you read Auntie Lusa's latest blog and clicked the link to my blog from 2007, you would have seen my sig there. It is also in the latest Wayfinder.
Anyway, glad to be of help!
Lisa
That's amusing. My signature is most noticeable for having a Cyrilic 'M' instead of a cursive one. Back in 9th grade, I thought the Cyrilic was so much cooler, so I started using it. :-)
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Just ran my party through Skulls Crossing. I'm a generous GM so I often have a tough time challenging my players. They had a cakewalk with Grazuul but the added encounter with the Skull Ripper nearly decapitated our dwarven paladin who has been having a heyday with the mostly giant (ogres, trolls) adventure. Our goblin ranger/rogue/shadowdancer kept failing his save on its dread visage ability. It was saving against the wizards fire spells when he would beat its SR. Finally they got Grazuuls trident to the paladin who with a crit felled the monstrosity. Fun encounter.
So I am still undecided as to if I want to drop the forty something to get the new PDF.
My primary motivator would probably be the content regarding Thassilonian magic (spells, magic items, and the "Sin point" system)
Granted.....I'm a bit of an art whoar as well....;)So sell me on it.
Is the updated content worth the forty bucks ?
That's not the full question you should be asking.
Is the updated content, including both new encounters, revisions to existing ones, and more to make the AP fit seamlessly together; new art; interactive maps; handouts; monsters not found in the Bestiaries; encounter tables for several areas of Varisia; and hypertext links for easy navigation more valuable to you than what you would otherwise spend the $40 on? If you already have all the old adventures, and none of that seems interesting (or not enough of it does) then spend your money elsewhere, or invest it. And if you don't have the old adventures (I didn't), I'd say it is definitely worth it.
Love the book....any suggestions on how to get copies of the maps/handouts etc without hurting the binding? Thanks.
I'm trying to order a copy through Barnes and Noble.com. BN says they expected it to ship on July 26, 2012. It didn't ship. BN now says the release date is January 8, 2013.
Hilariously, I just got the automated e-mail from BN asking me to review my recent purchase of the Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition, despite the fact that it hasn't shipped....
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/pathfinder-adventure-path-james-jacobs/1110 842309?ean=9781601254368
I know. I pre-ordered a copy from B&N due to amazon at the time having the same date of release as B&N does now. I just hope that B&N get their shipment of this book, so I can get it before I return to college in late August. It will be close but I cross my fingers in hopes of a notification of shipping.
We just got an updated delivery date from Amazon of 16 Aug. I'm hoping they mean Aug 2012, not Aug 2013. ;)
We just got an updated delivery date from Amazon of 16 Aug. I'm hoping they mean Aug 2012, not Aug 2013. ;)
Yeah it's for this August, and I noticed that after I ordered from Barnes and Noble. Hopefully it's the same date of actual release for B&N.
If buying the book from Paizo doesn't include the pdf like the subscriptions do, then why wouldn't I just buy it from Amazon for 2/3 the price and a fraction of the shipping? (free shipping most of the time in fact.)
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That being said, those business conditions could change in the future. And some folks said at PaizoCon that if sales of RotRL Anniversary Edition are extremely strong, doing other collections could become a more likely possibility. Curse of the Crimson Throne has been the most commonly mentioned candidate if they ever do this again.
Actually this is the second Pathfinder Campaign Setting Hard Cover in the last two years. I hope that this trend of at least one per year continues.
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If buying the book from Paizo doesn't include the pdf like the subscriptions do, then why wouldn't I just buy it from Amazon for 2/3 the price and a fraction of the shipping? (free shipping most of the time in fact.)
If you have a subscription and you preorder the book before it comes out. Then you get the PDF for free.
B&N have fixed their release date, and it's August 14th just like Amazon.
If buying the book from Paizo doesn't include the pdf like the subscriptions do, then why wouldn't I just buy it from Amazon for 2/3 the price and a fraction of the shipping? (free shipping most of the time in fact.)
I buy from them because I get it sooner and they get more money.
That said, they have no problem with you buying the book through whatever source works best for you. If cheaper is better (with the accompanying delay) then you should get it through Amazon.
If it was only a little more money, I'd buy it from them anyhow; but the book's half again more to buy direct from Paizo and then shipping will take it up to nearly $100; more than twice what Amazon.ca will cost me; plus with the two week shipping time from Paizo I don't think I'd get it that much faster. With the subscriptions, the price difference is less pronounced to start with and the pdf copy is enough to get me to buy direct - I'd like to see that be the norm for all the hardcopy books; the physical book is much more enjoyable to read, but the pdf are much more useful for actually running the game.
plus with the two week shipping time from Paizo I don't think I'd get it that much faster.
Well... let me put it this way:
My copy arrived on July 23rd. In Germany. Which might be a tad farther than Canada, shipping-wise.Now, if amazon.ca delivers August 14th, that's still 3 weeks later.
Of course, the argument about costs is perfectly valid; it's just that even with Paizo's shipping, you will get your stuff considerably earlier.
Making the PDF available to anyone who buys a copy direct reduces the current value of a subscription. Maybe some people subscribe predominantly for that perk - if so, then removing it risks paizo's subscriber base.
Perhaps the book from amazon plus the PDF from paizo might be one way for you to go?
Of course, the argument about costs is perfectly valid; it's just that even with Paizo's shipping, you will get your stuff considerably earlier.
You also get the PDF when it ships - generally a week or two before the street date.
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On collections of other APs:
There are currently no plans to do collections of any other APs.
I don't talk about all other APs but only the 3.5 OGL APs (we speak of 3 APs)
There are important business reasons that seem to make it a bad idea for Paizo to do this for other APs. The basic problem is that they'd essentially be competing with their own products, so there wouldn't be much room for net benefit, and they'd risk messing up their core business model. The circumstances surrounding Rise of the Runelords were unique and particular to just RotRL.
Why 3 APs collection isn't "competing" their own product?!?
I suppose not many guy buy CotCT o SD o LoF APs...reprint in a collection mean sell material that in this moment they do not sell...
It doesn't matter how well it sells—we will not be training customers to avoid purchasing APs upon release by giving them the expectation that a better and cheaper collected edition will be released in the future. Rise of the Runelords is an exception, not the start of a pattern.
Sorry i did'nt read this post
I agree with your idea infact is a nosense collect APs after the 25th but the first 24th are a non PFRPGUn update version of the first 4 Adventure Path let to make them "ready to play" like the other
There are important business reasons that seem to make it a bad idea for Paizo to do this for other APs. The basic problem is that they'd essentially be competing with their own products, so there wouldn't be much room for net benefit, and they'd risk messing up their core business model. The circumstances surrounding Rise of the Runelords were unique and particular to just RotRL.Why 3 APs collection isn't "competing" their own product?!?
I suppose not many guy buy CotCT o SD o LoF APs...reprint in a collection mean sell material that in this moment they do not sell...
People might choose to not buy the current AP and instead pick up old stock. In that sense, a compilation of an old AP would compete with their flagship product. Any loss of current AP sales is a significant loss.
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I really doubt that anyone who is actually interested in buying APs in the first place would want to wait decades (if one is released every 5 years, Shattered Star's hardcover wouldn't be released until 50 years from now) to buy a new AP because it might at some point in the (very) distant future be released as a hardcover.But they might decide not to subscribe to Shattered Star if a revised Legacy of Fire was coming out next year (as an example).
It's a very easy solvable problem: is enough put the collection APs in the AP subscription of the date of collection release
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Then some of us who bought it the first time will drop our sub (which is the same problem of damaging sales in paizo's core line) or we'll buy it and complain about being sold something twice. The paizo guys are smart, there's no easy way to do it because we all want different things. It's easy for each of us to hypothetically cater to our own preferences, but they have to stump up real money to please lots of competing preferences.
This was a unique opportunity to celebrate where they've come from and how much they've achieved in the last five (ten) years. It would be unwise to expect or hope for it to become regular.
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Then some of us who bought it the first time will drop our sub (which is the same problem of damaging sales in paizo's core line) or we'll buy it and complain about being sold something twice. The paizo guys are smart, there's no easy way to do it because we all want different things. It's easy for each of us to hypothetically cater to our own preferences, but they have to stump up real money to please lots of competing preferences.
This was a unique opportunity to celebrate where they've come from and how much they've achieved in the last five (ten) years. It would be unwise to expect or hope for it to become regular.
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Here! Here!
C'mon people! It's a celebration!