Also I want to see the ubue, or some other playable large sized and/or powerful build like race like the Goliath
I personally think Powerful Build is too powerful to be a Racial Trait. I don't like it on the Half-Giant (Dreamscarred Press) and I wouldn't like it on any other race.
Now, a feat that granted Powerful Build, that I could get behind.
The Jovian feat is just that.
I want this book,
but I have to wait for it to finish baking in the oven
I want this book,
but I have to wait for it to finish baking in the oven
No offense, but do you seriously have to triple post every single day?
In other news, I really hope this book keeps the crazy options that tieflings got in the Council of Thieves Pt. 1: Bastards of Erebus book, namely the Fiendish Heritage feat, but I also hope that aasimar gets the same amount of love, even though it is already overpowered for not having a penalty stat. :P
Also, advanced race favored class options, please. <3
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I want this book,
but I have to wait for it to finish baking in the ovenNo offense, but do you seriously have to triple post every single day?
In other news, I really hope this book keeps the crazy options that tieflings got in the Council of Thieves Pt. 1: Bastards of Erebus book, namely the Fiendish Heritage feat, but I also hope that aasimar gets the same amount of love, even though it is already overpowered for not having a penalty stat. :P
Also, advanced race favored class options, please. <3
He likely does what I do. Which is start reading the thread from the start or last spot and then reply to each post as they come across them. I do the same thing. Which sometimes means I might have 2 or 3 posts in a row sometimes.
He likely does what I do. Which is start reading the thread from the start or last spot and then reply to each post as they come across them. I do the same thing. Which sometimes means I might have 2 or 3 posts in a row sometimes.I want this book,
but I have to wait for it to finish baking in the ovenNo offense, but do you seriously have to triple post every single day?
In other news, I really hope this book keeps the crazy options that tieflings got in the Council of Thieves Pt. 1: Bastards of Erebus book, namely the Fiendish Heritage feat, but I also hope that aasimar gets the same amount of love, even though it is already overpowered for not having a penalty stat. :P
Also, advanced race favored class options, please. <3
Bingo, Dark_Mistress
You got the bulls eyeAnd Ashram, the "Advanced Race Guide" Wish List thread does make the request for Council of Thieves Pt. 1: Bastards of Erebus Tiefling options along with the Aasimar in the first post.
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Flumph!
Anyway, I'm looking forward to this, even though it's like 10 months away. I'm excited about more Dhampir options (though God knows if I'll still even be playing one that long from now). I'm also hoping for Racial traits and other options for the races that will be introduced in the Dragon Empires Gazateer.
I'm also hoping for Racial traits and other options for the races that will be introduced in the Dragon Empires Gazateer.
That was confirmed over in the discussion on the Dragon Empires Gazetteer product page.
Vic. There is no way you're going to be able to get race in the name of this thing without setting somebody off.They're called races in the game, so the word "race" is going to be in the title of the book.
In fact, Wizards managed to make quite a few 3.5 books with "Races" in the name without raising any clamor of which I am aware, and yes, while some of them just had names like "Races of Eberron", one of them was "Races of Destiny". I'm sure it will be just fine.
Also I want to see the ubue, or some other playable large sized and/or powerful build like race like the Goliath
I personally think Powerful Build is too powerful to be a Racial Trait. I don't like it on the Half-Giant (Dreamscarred Press) and I wouldn't like it on any other race.
Now, a feat that granted Powerful Build, that I could get behind.
Eh, it should be a racial feat, like the ones from APG. That way you can't have an elf with Powerful Build. :P
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The gaming group I'm with is playing in the Forgotten Realms setting. Since this is obviously a Golarion campaign supplement, $40 is too much to pay for a minimally useful book. Odds are none of us will pick this up.
Well first it is part of the RPG line which means it will be fairly setting neutral, yes there will be some elements of Golarion I imagine but not a lot. Nor more than what was in the core rule book and such. Secondly so far all of their rule books like this have had a 10 buck PDF. So if 40 is so much check out the PDF then. This is just a FYI, to provide more information.
Of course if I am wrong I am sure vic or someone will come by and correct me soon. :)
The gaming group I'm with is playing in the Forgotten Realms setting. Since this is obviously a Golarion campaign supplement, $40 is too much to pay for a minimally useful book. Odds are none of us will pick this up.
No. It's part of the RPG line -- it's setting agnostic (like the Core book and the APG). The conversation on the threads wonders around a bit. Don't let that confuse you.
*edit* Ninja'd by a succubus :)
*edit 2* As a matter of fact if you're a FR fan who remembers the sub-races of the old FR setting this book would probably allow you to recreate them in PF terms.
*edit 2* As a matter of fact if you're a FR fan who remembers the sub-races of the old FR setting this book would probably allow you to recreate them in PF terms.
Between more Alternate Racial Traits AND the chapter on how to build your own races, this book should allow a GM to recreate any 3.5 Race while being reasonably balanced. You may not get to keep all of those level adjusted tips and tricks, but you'll come really close to those races, which is nice.
In my opinion, this book will be a must-have for any GM who plays in their own campaign world.
Between more Alternate Racial Traits AND the chapter on how to build your own races, this book should allow a GM to recreate any 3.5 Race while being reasonably balanced. You may not get to keep all of those level adjusted tips and tricks, but you'll come really close to those races, which is nice.In my opinion, this book will be a must-have for any GM who plays in their own campaign world.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I have my own homebrew and I think it's about to reciver some racial diversity :)
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I have my own homebrew and I think it's about to reciver some racial diversity :)
I've made a few races of my own already, but it'll be nice to have a creator-made guide to decide whether I properly balanced them or not.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I have my own homebrew and I think it's about to reciver some racial diversity :)I've made a few races of my own already, but it'll be nice to have a creator-made guide to decide whether I properly balanced them or not.
Exactly. I have sub races now and adding some of the little differences that used to be in older editions sounds good.
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I do apologize if I missed it but will Changelings from Carrion Crown be expanded upon in this book. I thought that article was intriguing and wonderful with the take on the race and I would love to see it fully fleshed out!! Thank you for your patience...game on!!!
Agreed. I'd love to see the AP races fleshed out some more as well. The Changelings are an interesting new addition to the line.
One year is pretty killer for a wait time. I wish I could temporal stasis for a year...
Perhaps I misread something, but I was under the distinct impression that the developers were very much against Drow being perceived as a playable race. I must say I kind of preferred them that way.
What they are against is the Drow being a playable race on Golarion, but this book is one of the setting-neutral books. Do not expect everything in it to be usable on Golarion or in the Pathfinder Society.
I hope you guys will have the derro in this book as a playable race, or I guess I'll just contniue to do the conversion myself.
I hope you guys will have the derro in this book as a playable race, or I guess I'll just contniue to do the conversion myself.
As far as we know this book concerns it self with 0-HD races, i.e. those that do not have racial hit dice and require thus class levels. Derro (with 3 racial HD) are not among those.
I hope there will be PC Lovecraft style races in the book. IMO, there can never be to much Lovecraft.
...but I like that cover!
I agree with Shifty, I think that cover fits perfectly!*
*Subject to change when the actual cover is shown.
No level adjustments. I can't count the number of characters my wife has wanted to play that seem cool but get hosed because of the hit dice deficit.
I swear to God Azure...don't you dare post another link. We've all seen it.
That was a little harsh. Sorry Azure...link away dude.
So this has 64 pages less the the just announced Beastary 3. But both retail for $39.99.
Should'nt it be less?
Might I suggest thinking of it as getting a 256 pg. book for $40, and the Bestiary gives you 64 MORE pages, at no additional cost?
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Might I suggest thinking of it as getting a 256 pg. book for $40, and the Bestiary gives you 64 MORE pages, at no additional cost?So this has 64 pages less the the just announced Beastary 3. But both retail for $39.99.
Should'nt it be less?
Or that with all of the art in the Bestiary III, it's the same amount of text, just spread out over more pages?
Chief Creative Officer, Publisher
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Might I suggest thinking of it as getting a 256 pg. book for $40, and the Bestiary gives you 64 MORE pages, at no additional cost?So this has 64 pages less the the just announced Beastary 3. But both retail for $39.99.
Should'nt it be less?
In fact, $39.99 is an appropriate price for a 256-page full color rules-heavy hardcover. Our budgets would prefer us to charge more for a 320-page book (particularly one as art heavy as a Bestiary), but we don't feel that $44.99 or $47.99 or what have you is an attractive price for a book period, so we produce the bigger, art-heavy books at a lower profit margin in an attempt to keep the game as affordable as possible.
It is more accurate to look at the smaller book as priced appropriately for the development, art, time, and production value that goes into it and the larger book as an excellent value that contains 64 pages (equivalent to a $19.99 Pathfinder Campaign Setting softcover) of additional material for free.
Something popped into my head just now. Since this book will contain a gigantic plethora of playable non-base races, will we ever see an aasimar/tiefling variant for Law and Chaos? Sure, it's a little redundant and it's easier to quantify Good and Evil versus Law and Chaos, but we already have playable outsiders for Good (Aasimar), Evil (Tiefling), the four elements (Oread [Earth], Sylph [Air], Ifrit [Fire], Undine [Water]), darkness/shadow (Fetchling) and undead (Sorta; dhampir).
That was a little harsh. Sorry Azure...link away dude.
Don't worry about it.
The wish list is still growing, and some people have come up with suggestions (not the spell) on how to handle certain ideas or wishes that they would like to see in the book.
Something popped into my head just now. Since this book will contain a gigantic plethora of playable non-base races, will we ever see an aasimar/tiefling variant for Law and Chaos?
Give it time (and perhaps a randy protean).
Does this book imply that there will be no "playable" races in any potential future Bestiary books? Or would there be an Advanced Races 2 at some point?
Gnomes of course. I thought everyone knew that?So be it. I am not afraid of them, because they are imaginary.Wait...
Dragons: Not Real?
Hold everything!
Then who's running Germany?
I thought gnomes were in nome
Does this book imply that there will be no "playable" races in any potential future Bestiary books? Or would there be an Advanced Races 2 at some point?
The purpose of a bestiary is to provide monster stats, and *if* some of those monsters could potentially work as PCs, provide PC stats for those monsters.
The purpose of the ARG is to present more and alternative for the core races and other common non-core races.
The existence of one does not preclude the existence of the other.
I know that it is WAY too early to ask this question;
but if the Advanced Races Guide is a huge seller, will Paizo make "Advanced Races Guide II?"
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I know that it is WAY too early to ask this question;
but if the Advanced Races Guide is a huge seller, will Paizo make "Advanced Races Guide II?"
I like to think that, with the exception of Bestiaries, we'll have a lot more book subjects to explore rather than fall into the eternal sequel hole for books we've already done.
AKA: I would rather do any one of dozens of other hardcover books before an Advance Race Guide II.
I know that it is WAY too early to ask this question;
but if the Advanced Races Guide is a huge seller, will Paizo make "Advanced Races Guide II?"I like to think that, with the exception of Bestiaries, we'll have a lot more book subjects to explore rather than fall into the eternal sequel hole for books we've already done.
AKA: I would rather do any one of dozens of other hardcover books before an Advance Race Guide II.
Excellent. I want this one, but it should cover the topic.
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Does this book imply that there will be no "playable" races in any potential future Bestiary books? Or would there be an Advanced Races 2 at some point?
If the Paizo folks do their jobs right (and I have every reason to think they will), the racial design rules should make it unnecessary. Wordcount remains precious, but being able to reference the racial design rules in the Bestiaries that might follow Bestiary 3 should make it fairly straightforward to give info on how "playable" versions of the races.
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Does this book imply that there will be no "playable" races in any potential future Bestiary books? Or would there be an Advanced Races 2 at some point?If the Paizo folks do their jobs right (and I have every reason to think they will), the racial design rules should make it unnecessary. Wordcount remains precious, but being able to reference the racial design rules in the Bestiaries that might follow Bestiary 3 should make it fairly straightforward to give info on how "playable" versions of the races.
We've already published pretty solid monster design rules in the back of the first Bestiary. The same rules we use to build monsters for anything.
Does that make further monster books unnecessary? Absolutely not. No more than the knowledge of how to write a novel and the tools to do so make further novels unnecessary.
We will continue to periodically create new zero HD races for Bestiaries and other products as the need and desire strikes us after the Advanced Race Guide is out. That book's existence in no way serves as a cork to close off any further new zero HD races from Paizo.
Does this book imply that there will be no "playable" races in any potential future Bestiary books? Or would there be an Advanced Races 2 at some point?If the Paizo folks do their jobs right (and I have every reason to think they will), the racial design rules should make it unnecessary. Wordcount remains precious, but being able to reference the racial design rules in the Bestiaries that might follow Bestiary 3 should make it fairly straightforward to give info on how "playable" versions of the races.We've already published pretty solid monster design rules in the back of the first Bestiary. The same rules we use to build monsters for anything.
Does that make further monster books unnecessary? Absolutely not. No more than the knowledge of how to write a novel and the tools to do so make further novels unnecessary.
We will continue to periodically create new zero HD races for Bestiaries and other products as the need and desire strikes us after the Advanced Race Guide is out. That book's existence in no way serves as a cork to close off any further new zero HD races from Paizo.
That is good to hear.
If there are racial-based Archetypes in the book, I'd like to see rules and suggestions for making your own racial Archetypes, Racial Prestige Classes, and alternate racial traits. That'd be pretty awesome.