Matthew Morris
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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Matthew Morris wrote:** spoiler omitted **Even with the teeny fonts, that series is still one of my favorite collections in any RPG ever.
Sean would have to confirm, but as I remember...
ajs
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So, here's my concern: these 7 gods have (all?) had writeups in other sources. I know off the top of my head that Abadar, Gorum, Gozreh and I think, Pharasma have been in APs. Those were pretty extensive articles, so it makes me wonder: is this just a collection of those articles with a little bit of crunch thrown in for the players? Or... is there some further exploration of the setting (major temples, cities favorable to neutral deities, relationships to factions and organizations, etc.) that moves each god's story along?
Note: I'm not a habitual complainer. I like what I've read so far, and that's why I'm a subscriber. I'm just bringing up these concerns in the hopes that it's not too late to get those involved to consider the perspective of long-time readers.
| Sean K Reynolds Contributor |
My understand is this will be new stuff. Focusing on the church and faith of each god and less on the god's themselves. I might be wrong but that was my understanding of what these books are about.
Correct.
An excerpt from the outline:
how the church can tie into your background (Cayden has a lot of orphanages, etc.)
worshiper’s outlook
iconography, sacred animals, sacred plants, etc. (think 1st ed Deities & Demigods tables)
sayings
temple: what’s the main temple/best-known temple/mecca/pilgrimage site for your church?
clothing
taboos
ways to identify yourself (tattoos, jewelry, secret handshakes, genuflection)
why worship this deity?
why be an adventurer?
Your goals in life
Atoning and making penance
Interaction with other faiths
perspective for all 11 (18?) classes--why be a barbarian who worships this deity, or a fighter, etc., when you don't get spells
what races usually worship him
in what countries is he popular?
a character trait for each deity (like the regional traits)
Where you can find more info on this deity
BTW Pharasma doesn't yet have a god writeup in an AP. I know this because I haven't written it yet. ;)
ajs
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An excerpt from the outline:
how the church can tie into your background (Cayden has a lot of orphanages, etc.)
worshiper’s outlook
iconography, sacred animals, sacred plants, etc. (think 1st ed Deities & Demigods tables)
sayings ...
Very cool. Thanks for the info!
BTW Pharasma doesn't yet have a god writeup in an AP. I know this because I haven't written it yet. ;)
Yeah, I wasn't certain about that one... I know I've seen some details, but I wasn't sure where. Must have been what I read in the original setting book.
Vic Wertz
Chief Technical Officer
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...is this just a collection of those articles with a little bit of crunch thrown in for the players?...
No matter how unusual the subject of a Pathfinder Player Companion may seem, they always have a set formula (with the Combat, Faith, Magic, and Social sections), so using them to reprint articles like the ones you're talking about really wouldn't make any sense.
| Colin McComb Contributor |
So, here's my concern: these 7 gods have (all?) had writeups in other sources. I know off the top of my head that Abadar, Gorum, Gozreh and I think, Pharasma have been in APs. Those were pretty extensive articles, so it makes me wonder: is this just a collection of those articles with a little bit of crunch thrown in for the players? Or... is there some further exploration of the setting (major temples, cities favorable to neutral deities, relationships to factions and organizations, etc.) that moves each god's story along?
Note: I'm not a habitual complainer. I like what I've read so far, and that's why I'm a subscriber. I'm just bringing up these concerns in the hopes that it's not too late to get those involved to consider the perspective of long-time readers.
I totally understand your concern, and more to the point, Paizo does too. When I was writing up the Faiths of Purity book, Sean made clear to me that the book was not to be a rewrite of the major faiths, and in fact, I was allowed perhaps 7% of the article to summarize the god quickly. The rest of the god-article was primarily what it meant to worship a god, who was most likely to do so, what various classes thought of the god, and how to identify other worshipers.
While I did use the extensive articles as reference material for the gods and their churches, this book is focused on the average worshiper. Essentially, to use a real-world analogy, this would be a book talking about the Catholic experience and how it relates to the church, rather than a book detailing the doctrinal points of the faith and how the cardinals relate to the Pope.
Set
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Oh, wait. I don't need to be coy about this; I see I'm announced as writing it. Well then, yes, this is not a book about the religion, but rather how the religion is practiced. And right now I'm writing about Nethys.
Clerics of Nethys demand better treatment! Clerics (and other priests, and occasionally even *monks*) of the other nineteen big gods, and even some losers like Hanspur the Water Rat, get some neat perks, like this spell or that added to their spell list. Even some mere demon lords get something funky, like the ability to use Animal Domain spells on mindless vermin.
Clerics of Nethys get a *restriction* on casting Imbue with Spell Ability. Boo!
All this, and favored weapon - quarterstaff! :)
[Technically, I'm against any clergy getting these sorts of perks, as it was a messy business back in 1st and 2nd edition, and led to nonsense like spells that only followers of a single god could cast, which, IMO, is a pretty dubious use of wordcount, but since it's already a done deal, I'm all for Nethys getting some love, too!]
| Colin McComb Contributor |
Colin McComb wrote:Oh, wait. I don't need to be coy about this; I see I'm announced as writing it. Well then, yes, this is not a book about the religion, but rather how the religion is practiced. And right now I'm writing about Nethys.Clerics of Nethys demand better treatment! Clerics (and other priests, and occasionally even *monks*) of the other nineteen big gods, and even some losers like Hanspur the Water Rat, get some neat perks, like this spell or that added to their spell list. Even some mere demon lords get something funky, like the ability to use Animal Domain spells on mindless vermin.
Clerics of Nethys get a *restriction* on casting Imbue with Spell Ability. Boo!
All this, and favored weapon - quarterstaff! :)
[Technically, I'm against any clergy getting these sorts of perks, as it was a messy business back in 1st and 2nd edition, and led to nonsense like spells that only followers of a single god could cast, which, IMO, is a pretty dubious use of wordcount, but since it's already a done deal, I'm all for Nethys getting some love, too!]
Well, Sean will kill me if I focus on clerics here, but I CAN guarantee you two new traits for the lover of all things Nethys. Oh. And what's the adjective for Nethys, anyway? Nethyian? Nethysian? Nethystics?
Also, Sean is going to send over his extended writeup for Pharasma to me any day now (note to Sean: HINT HINT), so that material will be getting integrated as well.
I should probably get off the messageboards and direct this energy to actual writing.
| Colin McComb Contributor |
Update: The faiths are done. Now it's onto the "short articles with innovative new rules for social, magic, religious, and combat-focused characters, as well as traits to better anchor the player to the campaign."
Except that the traits are folded into the faiths directly. At least in the version I'll be turning over. Who knows what magic lurks in the dark heart of Paizo?
| Justin Franklin |
This project is Sean's problem now. I'm moving on to other, secretive projects that will hopefully get a rousing welcome when given their own messageboard topic. :)
The only thing stopping you from creating those messageboard topics on your own is a silly piece of paper.
| Colin McComb Contributor |
Colin McComb wrote:This project is Sean's problem now. I'm moving on to other, secretive projects that will hopefully get a rousing welcome when given their own messageboard topic. :)Unless I send your manuscript back for revisions, mister I-finished-writing-early....
Yeah, but what the chances of th-... wait a second, let me check my mail.
Nooooooooooooooooooo
Dragnmoon
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As long as Gozreh isn't constantly back and forth male female adverbs, I'll be okay. [See "Racing to Ruin"]. If I were Editor-in-Cheif, I'd've killed Sean over that atrocity.
I loved that, that was purposely to help show Gozreh duel nature.
| Toadkiller Dog |
Yeah, I'm also intrested in Paladin codes for Abadar. Unfortunately, by then, we'll probably finish Council of Thieves where I'm playing Paladin of Abadar, but still would like to see them at least... I think James mentioned in Faiths of Purity topic that only LG, NG and LN gods can have paladins, does that mean we will see paladin codes for Abadar paladins?
| Colin McComb Contributor |
Yeah, I'm also intrested in Paladin codes for Abadar. Unfortunately, by then, we'll probably finish Council of Thieves where I'm playing Paladin of Abadar, but still would like to see them at least... I think James mentioned in Faiths of Purity topic that only LG, NG and LN gods can have paladins, does that mean we will see paladin codes for Abadar paladins?
Yes. :)
Set
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OK, possible dumb question...does this book address the lack of a Neutral and/or Balance domain?
Ooh, I pray for such a thing to never exist! It's enough of a chore picking non-extremist dieties for my clerics, so that I don't have to deal with almost half of Domain choices being Chaos, Good, Evil or Law (which, granted, don't suck quite as hard as they did in 3.0, but they still aren't exactly sexy or distinctive).
Logically, there should probably be such a thing, but I sure don't want to see it!
Every diety with a N alignment component would have to lose a Domain to make room for the new 'Neutral' Domain, and that would make me sad.
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Vic Wertz
Chief Technical Officer
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vagrant-poet wrote:Who did the covers for this and Humans of Golarion? Because they are both fantastic, and I typically don't like the darker more more realistic look, but they are phenomenal covers.Lucas Graciano did the artwork for Humans of Golarion.
Faiths of Balance is his cover as well.