Pathfinder Player Companion: Adventurer's Armory (PFRPG)

Sean - What is the GP cost and weight of the normal (non-sharpened) Combat Scabbard, found in the "Gears and Services" section under "Adventuring Gear". It's between 'Coffin' and 'Copy of a Key' in the descriptions but is missing on the table that shows weight and cost. I don't see it under 'Scabbard, Combat' either.

Anybody have a list of the new weapons included? I'm specifically looking for a chakram.

Anybody have a list of the new weapons included? I'm specifically looking for a chakram.

Yup. Look here. This list includes everything Paizo released since Pathfinder #1, and the Adventurer's Armory stuff has its source marked.

The Chakram is under the Ranged Martial weapons.

Sean - What is the GP cost and weight of the normal (non-sharpened) Combat Scabbard, found in the "Gears and Services" section under "Adventuring Gear". It's between 'Coffin' and 'Copy of a Key' in the descriptions but is missing on the table that shows weight and cost. I don't see it under 'Scabbard, Combat' either.

1 gp, 1 lb. :)

What is the "Close Weapon" that the Scabbard, Combat references in its item description in the Gear and Services section? The heavy blade combat scabbard references the hammer (I assume the light hammer?) but all the light blade references is "close weapon" which isn't on any chart that I've seen.

Razz wrote:

I guess I will wait until the PDF gets the corrections it seems to need before getting this myself.

When can we expect the errata or corrected PDF version?

No need to wait. Once you've purchased the PDF you can always go back and re-download the most recent version of it.

But the question is, when should we expect the corrected pdf (with errata) posted?

To be honest, and I know James indicated that the corrections would be in the next printing, but when will be able to expect that 2nd printing with the errata? I would prefer to have a corrected hardcopy than referring to a pdf.

And no offense is meant at all to Paizo, but I am seeing a lot of posts by Sean where there are corrections, so that is why I would just rather wait for that next printing.

What is the "Close Weapon" that the Scabbard, Combat references in its item description in the Gear and Services section? The heavy blade combat scabbard references the hammer (I assume the light hammer?) but all the light blade references is "close weapon" which isn't on any chart that I've seen.

They're for the purpose of Fighter weapon groups. Close weapons are:

Close: gauntlet, heavy shield, light shield, punching dagger, sap, spiked armor, spiked gauntlet, spiked shield, and unarmed strike.

Hammers: club, greatclub, heavy mace, light hammer, light mace, and warhammer.

So if you are a Fighter who has one of those weapon groups, you can include a heavy-blade scabbard in the hammer group, or a light-blade scabbard in the close group.

In that case what is the damage and crit range, etc. for these items?

In that case what is the damage and crit range, etc. for these items?

I have to wonder if the text about the fighter groups was meant to go with "Combat Scabbard, Sharpened" which is in the Weapons section and does have stats to go with it.

EDIT: actually, it does talk about the fighter weapon groups being useful for the Equipment Trick feat, in which there *are* uses where the combat scabbard can be used as a trip attack, for example. So that might be what the bonuses are meant to apply to.

There have been a couple of characters in some fictional books that would used a sheathed weapon to beat foes that were not worthy of their full skills.

Sword and scabbard styles are common (it makes a handy impromptu shield, for example), but probably where you'll see most of that style is in Samurai stories/movies, since the scabbards were usually wooden and stiff. Whether sheathed or by itself, the scabbard made a nifty practice weapon/backup weapon.

I do recall seeing examples for western-style scabbard fights (though of course, can't think of where), especially in fencing styles and swashbuckling stories (if they lose their sword, for example).

Yeah there are several fencing schools that do use the scabbard for combat (indeed several western types of scabbards were metal) and is why I keep asking about them.

I find it hard to believe that a blade could be put on such a scabbard that does 1d6 18~20/x2 but that the scabbard without can't be used for a weapon at all.

I would think that the Heavy blade combat sheath could at least be used as a club while the light blade combat sheath should probably work like a light hammer (clubs do 1d6 damage, light hammers 1d4) however I would love to hear something more official since these are great item ideas that should probably have been put in the weapons area like the bladed sheath was.

Yeah there are several fencing schools that do use the scabbard for combat (indeed several western types of scabbards were metal) and is why I keep asking about them.

I find it hard to believe that a blade could be put on such a scabbard that does 1d6 18~20/x2 but that the scabbard without can't be used for a weapon at all.

I would think that the Heavy blade combat sheath could at least be used as a club while the light blade combat sheath should probably work like a light hammer (clubs do 1d6 damage, light hammers 1d4) however I would love to hear something more official since these are great item ideas that should probably have been put in the weapons area like the bladed sheath was.

I would agree, and I think the rules actually support that. In the case of the non-sharpened combat sheathes, I might consider them improvised weapons. In which case, they would do damage like you said.

Which seems odd to me that they have to be improvised when the bladed one is simply martial. Especially when the equipment trick refers to their damage in the case of throwing the scabbard. Over all I think it was simply overlooked on their behalf.

In the Pathfinder Campaign Setting, and throughout the RotRL AP, the War Razor is listed as having a critical threat range of 18-20, but this seems to have been reduced to 19-20 in the Armory? Is this a mistake on the part of the Armory? If not, why the change?

In the Pathfinder Campaign Setting, and throughout the RotRL AP, the War Razor is listed as having a critical threat range of 18-20, but this seems to have been reduced to 19-20 in the Armory? Is this a mistake on the part of the Armory? If not, why the change?

This was an intentional change as you will see in this post and my post two above it asking specifically about the war razor.

You will also note that the bladed scarf lost the 19-20 crit range, along with a few other things.

Except the "Special" column on the Exotic Weapons table, nearly everything was intentional. There are a couple of errors, that don't effect much. You can find a fixed chart here.

I believe all of these things were changed in an attempt to "balance" them... But I know a handful of people think it makes them unusable. Depends on your game.

Personally, I think I'm fine with most of the weapons changes except the bladed scarf. For a two-handed exotic weapon, it just doesn't seem worth it anymore. Only 1d6 damage, 20/x2 crit, with the ability to trip and a +2 to disarm. Seems pretty meh overall. Granted, it is finessable and the 1d4 damage to people grappling you is kinda neat... I just miss the reach.

I have two quick questions:

1) when will the reprint hit store shelves; and
2) how can I tell which print a given copy is?

It'll be at least a couple of months before the reprint hits stores. We just sent the printer the file about a week ago.

It will say "Second Printing" at the bottom of the title page.

It'll be at least a couple of months before the reprint hits stores. We just sent the printer the file about a week ago.

It will say "Second Printing" at the bottom of the title page.

Great, thanks!

I'm torn, because obviously the demand for this is high, so I don't want to miss it, but on the other hand, I do want one with the errors corrected, since I won't have the PDF version.

Decisions, decisions!!

I have two quick questions:

1) when will the reprint hit store shelves; and
2) how can I tell which print a given copy is?

ahh now I get it, your other post was in the wrong thread!

Erik Mona wrote:

It'll be at least a couple of months before the reprint hits stores. We just sent the printer the file about a week ago.

It will say "Second Printing" at the bottom of the title page.

Great, thanks!

I'm torn, because obviously the demand for this is high, so I don't want to miss it, but on the other hand, I do want one with the errors corrected, since I won't have the PDF version.

Decisions, decisions!!

Or you can buy one now and then buy another one when it comes out. Then you can give the first one as a gift to a gamer friend. Assuming you keep it in good condition.

Twowlves wrote:

I have two quick questions:

1) when will the reprint hit store shelves; and
2) how can I tell which print a given copy is?

ahh now I get it, your other post was in the wrong thread!

Bingo! I have been bouncing around all day and must have just lost track of where I was at the time I posted the other one. Notice my cut'n'paste, did ya? ;)

Or you can buy one now and then buy another one when it comes out. Then you can give the first one as a gift to a gamer friend. Assuming you keep it in good condition.

Unfortunately, I'm limited in funds, due to my having to save up for the trip to Gen Con Indy. Priorities, priorities...

When will we know when the errata is included in the PDF so we can redownload the corrected PDF?

When will we know when the errata is included in the PDF so we can redownload the corrected PDF?

I get notified of PDF updates via the email address I've registered with Paizo.com.

I do have a question/suggestion, not sure if it was answered before or not. Feeling lazy.

Anyways tents, there is 4 kinds but the write up only mentions they go between 1 and 10 people in them. By that we can guess a small tent fits 1 person comfortably and a pavilion fits 10 people. But what about the medium and large? I think in the reprint it would be very helpful to have it list how many. Perhaps on the price chart have
tent, small (1)
Tent, Medium (2)
Tent, Large (6)
Tent, Pavilion (10)

tent, small (1)

Tent, Medium (2)
Tent, Large (6)
Tent, Pavilion (10)

I'd put it at 1/2/4/10 people, personally, but I see where you're coming from. :)

Dark_Mistress wrote:

tent, small (1)

Tent, Medium (2)
Tent, Large (6)
Tent, Pavilion (10)

I'd put it at 1/2/4/10 people, personally, but I see where you're coming from. :)

That works too and really only adds to my point. I was just making guesses by the two numbers given. :) Anyways not a major deal but something I would like to see, as it makes the tents more useful knowing that. :)

Sean K Reynolds wrote:

Ernest Mueller wrote:

Just read some of this. So this has a lot of good equipment, bit I'm personally disappointed at the huge missed opportunity to have cultural origins for the weapons.

1. Space.

I can certainly appreciate this and also understand that enforcing weapon availability wouldn't make it to every game table.

However, given the richness and diversity of Golarion, I would gladly pay for a supplement that equipment origins and the most common weapons/armors available by region.

I have to agree. I've carefully considered and reread the book several times, and I'm of the unfortunate opinion that this is a poorly executed book and a major missed opportunity.

Paizo, skreyn, etc. - I love you guys, but hear me out.

An Arms & Equipment guide is a HUGE opportunity. This is the kind of book that, if done right, is an invaluable book, one that every player brings as their second book after the PHB to the table (the AD&D 2e and Alternity A&EGs were like that).

However, this book:

1. Is named "Adventurer's Armory" yet has only four (4) pages of weapons and armor. Four. Yes, you read that right.

2. Pages 22 on of its slim 32 pages aren't equipment. They are at best tangentially related and at worst - the NPC alchemist - completely irrelevant.

3. The lack of meaningful Golarion content was a huge missed opportunity. You say "Space" - I say "then cut the damn alchemist" and/or "don't make this a 32 page book." You didn't make the book generic - there are Golarion refs - enough to annoy "genericists" but not enough to help Golarion fans. Now I have PCs coming from Sandpoint wanting to kit out with a hunga munga and dueling sword and boomerang for general minmaxing reasons? I am mostly inclined to disallow the book or at least make people get my approval, and having regional origins would streamline that process a lot.

Aside: I understand the answer may be "but the standard Companion format is 32 pages and it has to have an NPC and other stuff..." But no one cares (no customers do) - you should focus on making the book the best it can be, not fitting your own internal format.

4. The editing was bad. Seriously, there was apparently some internal major slipup and y'all need to make sure this doesn't happen again. You have typos in the second sentence in the book, in bold type no less ("prociency?") and things are missing from tables and things are left out. I know we're all used to excellent editing out of Paizo and whatever happened you really need to fix it. This frankly makes me very concerned about other rules-heavy books coming out like the APG and GMG - typos in fluff are forgivable but jacking up stats in a stat book is not.

5. Even if that's all fixed in a new PDF version, I feel like I can't bring my print version "safely" to the table for people to use. Do I need to print out a 32-page corrected PDF and bring that? If so why did I pay for a print product? I hope you consider issuing errata instead of just fixing the PDF inline so someone with the print product can print a couple pages to stick in the front of their book rather than reprinting their book.

Mainly I really just feel for y'all. A true Arms & Equipment Guide/Whole Realms Catalog kind of product could have been 64 pages, $25, and have been bought by a huge percentage of players.

Frankly I'd still recommend you do that - make this the Gazetteer to the Campaign Setting. Make a book with ALL equipment that's been published by you to date (with the drugs and all that) - heck add the magic items too - and that could be a bigger expensive tome.

IF you edit it well that is.

In general I think you should look at the Companion format. I haven't been too impressed with them (Cheliax was especially weak) and I think it's a combination of being too small with having a certain format imposed. If you can't keep the "one a month" tempo up and keep in adequate content and quality, dial it back - I'd rather have a book that would really let me run a campaign in Cheliax, for example, than what I got.

Again, much love to y'all, but I am sorely disappointed at what could have been a keystone book in the line coming out like this, and being four pages of fairly error-laden weapons.

Ernest Mueller wrote:

Question on the armored kilt... It doesn't have stats in the tables. The description just says "it changes armor to one class heavier" but I hope it does something else because I have no idea in what situation that would be a benefit.

There are a number of items like the Armored Kilt that come from the Campaign Setting. Unless the book notes changes, you just use them as they are there. In the case of the Armored Kilt, you use the campaign setting version with the changes made in the Adventurer's Armory.

If you want the full details on all these items, check this out. Only has Paizo released material, all the non-core stuff, including the new AA stuff (with all of Sean's errata and fixes factored in).

All the other stuff from the pfcs is put into the tables. The armor table has the field plate and klar and leaf armor and rosewood armor... The only piece of weapon or armor from the pfcs that's not listed in the tables is the kilt. That says "error" to me.

Anyways tents, there is 4 kinds but the write up only mentions they go between 1 and 10 people in them. By that we can guess a small tent fits 1 person comfortably and a pavilion fits 10 people. But what about the medium and large? I think in the reprint it would be very helpful to have it list how many. Perhaps on the price chart have

tent, small (1)
Tent, Medium (2)
Tent, Large (6)
Tent, Pavilion (10)

I went back to my source files and found something interesting--the tent write-up was originally going to have its own table right next to the descriptive text, and include the capacity and assembly time for each tent. That little table had the person-counts for each tent. The chapter was running long, the subtable got cut... leaving only the basic name and price in the main table because there wasn't room for the extra info. :?/ That's the sort of thing that happens when you have to cram 30 pages of info into 20 pages....

{1. Is named "Adventurer's Armory" yet has only four (4) pages of weapons and armor. Four. Yes, you read that right.}

What other kinds of weapons would you want to see? "Oriental" weapons and firearms are off the list.

{2. Pages 22 on of its slim 32 pages aren't equipment. They are at best tangentially related and at worst - the NPC alchemist - completely irrelevant.}

The Pathfinder Companion line *always* has the Combat, Faith, Magic, and Social articles. They're core to the product line--people complain when we don't have them. Over time, Persona became part of that, though I felt it was out of place for a player-oriented book, and we're phasing it out. Still, that's 8 pages that *have* to be in the book. I'd be happy to make a 32-page book just full of gear--but I can't unilaterally decide the format of one of our product lines.

{3. The lack of meaningful Golarion content was a huge missed opportunity. You say "Space" - I say "then cut the damn alchemist"}

At the time, that wasn't an option for this book.

{and/or "don't make this a 32 page book."}

Absolutely not an option for the Companion line, which is always 32 pages.

{You didn't make the book generic - there are Golarion refs - enough to annoy "genericists" but not enough to help Golarion fans. Now I have PCs coming from Sandpoint wanting to kit out with a hunga munga and dueling sword and boomerang for general minmaxing reasons?}

Well, you're the GM, if you think there is zero chance that a PC would be able to get a hunga munga in Sandpoint, tell them "you can't have that weapon." It's your campaign.

{iI am mostly inclined to disallow the book or at least make people get my approval, and having regional origins would streamline that process a lot.}

"My PC was a slave taken from the Mwangi Expanse. His master moved to Sandpoint and died, now I'm free. I know how to make and use the hunga munga."
Does knowing the hunga munga is mainly used in the M.E. make your decision to allow the above character easier, or harder? And how much space should we assign to each weapon's description that says where it's from and how likely it is for nearby and far lands to have that weapon?

AA is a book to put spoiler-free game mechanics in the hands of the PCs. If you start restricting it to GMish info like "this is from here and you don't see them often outside of that land," the players are going to end up asking you about every single item because they don't know how rare "rare" is. "Can I buy a Harrow deck here? How about a printing press? Beast lure? Kaava musk? Linnorm mead? Mwangi coffee? Sargavan pineapples?" Or you put this info in a GM book (like the Chronicles), which means the GM has to copy out text they want the players to see, and defeats the purpose of having a supplement to the Core Rulebook that the players can bring to the game.

{Aside: I understand the answer may be "but the standard Companion format is 32 pages and it has to have an NPC and other stuff..." But no one cares (no customers do) - you should focus on making the book the best it can be, not fitting your own internal format.}

Subscribers care. They know in advance that every Companion book is going to be a certain length, a certain format, and a certain price. If suddenly March's companion is 2x the size and 2x the price, subscribers (rightly) will get upset. And as subscribers pay for the bulk of the costs of the book, their opinions carry significant weight.

{4. The editing was bad. Seriously, there was apparently some internal major slipup and y'all need to make sure this doesn't happen again. You have typos in the second sentence in the book, in bold type no less ("prociency?")}

That's not a typo, that's a font error--an error that didn't appear in the printouts we made for editing, but did appear in the to-the-printer version of the file, which had a bad font.

When I first saw that problem in the printed book (and I saw it right away, the moment I opened the book), I wondered "how did this happen?" So I checked my Word files--problem isn't there. I checked the layout files--problem isn't there. The problem occurred because of a bad font on one specific computer. We've found the cause and have taken steps to make sure it doesn't happen again.

{and things are missing from tables and things are left out. I know we're all used to excellent editing out of Paizo and whatever happened you really need to fix it. This frankly makes me very concerned about other rules-heavy books coming out like the APG and GMG - typos in fluff are forgivable but jacking up stats in a stat book is not.}

And I already explained how that happened. I'm not excusing it, just explaining it--trust me, I wish none of those errors were in the book. It actually makes me angry to see them.

{5. Even if that's all fixed in a new PDF version, I feel like I can't bring my print version "safely" to the table for people to use. Do I need to print out a 32-page corrected PDF and bring that? If so why did I pay for a print product?}

I've noted in my office copy all the errors in the book. None of them are more significant than adding a word or two in the relevant places (and there aren't many places that need to be fixed). I understand that you're upset, but I think you're exaggerating the situation.

{In general I think you should look at the Companion format. I haven't been too impressed with them (Cheliax was especially weak) and I think it's a combination of being too small with having a certain format imposed. If you can't keep the "one a month" tempo up and keep in adequate content and quality, dial it back - I'd rather have a book that would really let me run a campaign in Cheliax, for example, than what I got.}

One, Cheliax has gotten a lot of good reviews, so your disappointment with it isn't the general reader's opinion of the book.
Two, the Companion line is every *other* month (it alternates with the Modules).
Three, the Cheliax book isn't the book to run a campaign in Cheliax, it's the book to give your players when you're running a campaign in Cheliax. A GM's book for Cheliax would either be in the Chronicles line, or the source material in the Council of Thieves AP. Cheliax isn't intended to be the GM's book for that country any more than the Legacy of Fire Player's Guide is supposed to be the GM's book for Katapesh.
Four, I'm always open to hear how you'd like to see the line do better. Unfortunately, "abandon the format you're using" isn't a viable solution, and "the books have disappointed me" doesn't give me enough information to make any improvements.

Well, if AA was heavy on Golarion content you would have people here saying that "I wanted Arms & Equipment Guide and what I got is a guide to boomerangs in Golarion !". I like AA the way it is - a generic book with a slight Golarion tingle.

That being said, I would prefer the NPC to go. If I buy an equipment book I am expecting nice surprises (such as faith items or alchemical focus), but I'd rather have the space not used on NPCs. Actually, AA should have been a 64-page book in the PFRPG line :)

We are dumping the NPC.

We are dumping the NPC.

From the second printing of AA, or from the Comapnion line ?

Four, I'm always open to hear how you'd like to see the line do better. Unfortunately, "abandon the format you're using" isn't a viable solution, and "the books have disappointed me" doesn't give me enough information to make any improvements.

I don't know about the line, but this particular book could use some improvement.

I'm not talking about the weapon changes either.

Examples:

There is space taken to describe horses, and they are on the chart. And yet, aside from a brief mention of what nations breed superior horses and listing how much the horses weigh, there isn't any different information than can be found in the Core book.

Same thing with the riding dog.

But then the combat trained dog is introduced, and it is the same price as the guard dog from the Core book (which doesn't have any description) and no mention of which stats are to be used. It would seem an awfully cheap way to get a riding dog, since that is the only medium dog stats we have available in the Pathfinder line.

Why is Garlic a Black Market item? Is there a world wide ban on this herb? And why even list Holly and Mistletoe if there isn't going to be a price or weight given?

I get it. You are kind of pressed for time right now. And no one is perfect.

But this seems to be a very poorly done product. I'm not even talking about "weak" or "not up to Paizo standards" which can be very subjective. Just in overall, a poor production.

And I'm not deliberately trying to make anyone at the Paizo offices feel any worse than they already do. But I don't think I am off base with suggesting one of the first printing be pinned up on the wall there as a reminder of what not to let happen.

We are dumping the NPC.

Not that I'm unhappy with the Book (I can't wait to get my print copy; I had to buy the .pdf last night and print it out), but when I read the HUGE "Arayam Bismut, Alchemist for Hire" I was hopefully expecting a preview of the Alchemist Class.

Actually what I think that happened with AA is a perfectly good idea shoehorned into the wrong format.

Now, I kinda like that AA is 32 pages long. You can just hand it over to a player and tell them "pick yer stuff", without having to watch them drown in vehicle rules and other peripheral stuff that filled 80% of Arms & Equipment Guide.

However, I think that the book suffers from the "what the hell are Companions supposed to be" syndrome that plagues the line from the very beginning. After Paizo decided that Companions are player-focused books they decided to divide each into Combat, Faith, Magic, Persona and Social chapters.

I'm OK with first three, but persona and social in a gear book ? Really ? And +1 Flash_cxxi, if I see an alchemist, I expect him to be an Alchemist (or Wizard, at worst), not a friggin' Expert 6 ! As a ninja preview of the new class it would be really great, but please please don't throw NPC class statblocks that anybody can put together in 5 minutes. Especially in PFRPG with its improved Skill rules.

And to confuse things even more, as I look at the Companion line I can see more racial books (OK, that works) but there out of the blue comes the Sargava book. Didn't we establish that setting books should be in Chronicles ? Cheliax was a great book, with one major flaw - 32 pages. One of the best Paizo ideas deserved more.

Companions, oh Companions, where have thy lost thy way ?

Personally, I think I'm fine with most of the weapons changes except the bladed scarf. For a two-handed exotic weapon, it just doesn't seem worth it anymore. Only 1d6 damage, 20/x2 crit, with the ability to trip and a +2 to disarm. Seems pretty meh overall. Granted, it is finessable and the 1d4 damage to people grappling you is kinda neat... I just miss the reach.

From Sean's post "Bladed scarf is correct on the table" I got the impression that it lost the finesse and grapple damage qualities too, since they're not mentioned on the table... if that's not the case I might reconsider classifying the weapon as completely useless.

{4. The editing was bad. Seriously, there was apparently some internal major slipup and y'all need to make sure this doesn't happen again. You have typos in the second sentence in the book, in bold type no less ("prociency?")}

That's not a typo, that's a font error--an error that didn't appear in the printouts we made for editing, but did appear in the to-the-printer version of the file, which had a bad font.

When I first saw that problem in the printed book (and I saw it right away, the moment I opened the book), I wondered "how did this happen?" So I checked my Word files--problem isn't there. I checked the layout files--problem isn't there. The problem occurred because of a bad font on one specific computer. We've found the cause and have taken steps to make sure it doesn't happen again.

{and things are missing from tables and things are left out. I know we're all used to excellent editing out of Paizo and whatever happened you really need to fix it. This frankly makes me very concerned about other rules-heavy books coming out like the APG and GMG - typos in fluff are forgivable but jacking up stats in a stat book is not.}

And I already explained how that happened. I'm not excusing it, just explaining it--trust me, I wish none of those errors were in the book. It actually makes me angry to see them.

{5. Even if that's all fixed in a new PDF version, I feel like I can't bring my print version "safely" to the table for people to use. Do I need to print out a 32-page corrected PDF and bring that? If so why did I pay for a print product?}

I've noted in my office copy all the errors in the book. None of them are more significant than adding a word or two in the relevant places (and there aren't many places that need to be fixed). I understand that you're upset, but I think you're exaggerating the situation.

Sean, I know it sounds critical, but I do understand what Ernest is saying. You said he is exaggerating, but I also want to be able to recommend the book to the other players in my group to purchase.

You indicated you have noted all the errors in your office copy and they aren't significant. Well, I would consider missing tables significant, and I remember seeing at least one post there was a missing DC. If it's just typos it's one thing, but missing info is another.

And I do appreciate taking the time to answer the questions and give clarifications (as I am sure we all do), but unlike myself, very few at my gaming table (maybe 1 or 2) would be visiting this website to look up the clarifications. Heck, one of us don’t have even internet connection (I know, not the norm). So yes, I understand when Ernest says he wants to be able to take the book to the table.

Several times you have said the errors won’t happen again for future products, and that is great! But I would like to hear some assurance that the errors in the Adventurers Armory are going to be fixed. Preferably corrected in the second print run, but at the very least an errata pdf on the website.

However, I think that the book suffers from the "what the hell are Companions supposed to be" syndrome that plagues the line from the very beginning. After Paizo decided that Companions are player-focused books they decided to divide each into Combat, Faith, Magic, Persona and Social chapters.

I've written a goodly number of those two-pagers found at the back of various Companion books (so I'm pretty biased :) ) but, as a subscriber, they are my favorite part of the books. Most of the Companions have a lot of flavor and those two-pagers are the crunchy anchors that keep them from floating away.

Being a huge fan of the hunga
munga, I'm in pain (the pain!!) that the chakram outdamages it...

Heck, one of us don’t have even internet connection (I know, not the norm). So yes, I understand when Ernest says he wants to be able to take the book to the table.

Also a problem with printing out PDFs, it can get expensive as I learned by printing the Core Rulebook PDF - which was sheer stupidity on my part. It cost almost $80 in ink. Sure you can print addenda pages, but they have to be page referenced and get messy if you have to stick em in a book.

A note of advice to Paizo. Why not make the page backgrounds white instead of colored for the PDF versions? Colored iconics/pictures are fine. This saves on ink for printing a PDF, and you can still copyright protect it.

Also, copy editing is an art and the worst people to pick up typos are the original writers themselves. I'd do it for free (I have a reasonable amount of time on my hands, and I read a lot) if you threw in the odd rule book from time to time. I get very irritated by typos, it makes the work look unprofessional. I've spotted at least four typos in the Core rulebook. Having said that, by and large the grammar is excellent.

Anyway I'm being partly jokey here, copy editors are your friend. Having said that, for specific texts you need copy editors that know their stuff, i.e. the ins and outs of RPGs.

Please don't take this criticism too harshly, I love what you've done with Pathfinder, and Wizard's make typos too. Some of their later releases for 3.5 were not so carefully edited.

On a concluding note, don't go the WOTC way of writing in larger fonts to make a product twice the size it needs to be in order to up the price. That really started me fuming and was why I eventually stopped buying 3.5 material long before Ed.4 was announced.

Paizo. keep up the good work! You're doing fine. Everyone has niggles, it's just part of life.

EDIT: Grammar, HTML and typos :)

Reading them comments posted here I'm still convinced it's a good product and it fulfills the reason I bought it in the first place... Just one question: Do people who bougt v1 get a free PDF of v2???

I ordered it LAST WEEK (haven't even received it yet due to living in Europe), had I known there was to be a reprint I'd have waited. Especially if the NPC gets bumped and replaced with extra item goodness... :'-(

The book is good. It's just kinda dazed, confused and lost in the fog :)

Paizo's policy so far was to always provide free PDF replacements in case a book gets updated/corrected.

The book is good. It's just kinda dazed, confused and lost in the fog :)

Paizo's policy so far was to always provide free PDF replacements in case a book gets updated/corrected.

Sweetness!

Karui Kage wrote:

Personally, I think I'm fine with most of the weapons changes except the bladed scarf. For a two-handed exotic weapon, it just doesn't seem worth it anymore. Only 1d6 damage, 20/x2 crit, with the ability to trip and a +2 to disarm. Seems pretty meh overall. Granted, it is finessable and the 1d4 damage to people grappling you is kinda neat... I just miss the reach.

From Sean's post "Bladed scarf is correct on the table" I got the impression that it lost the finesse and grapple damage qualities too, since they're not mentioned on the table... if that's not the case I might reconsider classifying the weapon as completely useless.

I went off the line that if an item is listed in the campaign setting, use it as is with the changes in the Adventurer's Armory. As far as I've seen, weapons that can be finessed don't list it in the tables (see elven curve blade) nor would they say anything about the ability to damage someone trying to grapple you. As they weren't written out in that fashion, I left them in on my own table. I kind of wish items were written in their entirety in there, but I can understand why they left all the details on the campaign setting items out of a space issue. Heck, that's why the Armor Kilt doesn't even have a table entry. :) (at least, I assume that's why)

Errata and issues raised in this thread so far

On the back cover (inside) the falcata is shown as a 19-20/x2 crit weapon and the aldori dueling sword is shown as 19-20/x3. In the campaign setting the falcata was the 19-20/x3 and the dueling sword was 19-20/x2. Has this changed, or is this not what was intended. Thanks

Aldori dueling sword should have a x2 crit modifier; it's like a longsword, but its exotic benefit is you can use it with Weapon Finesse (like a rapier) and still get 1.5 Str bonus to damage when using it two-handed (unlike a rapier).

Falcata should have a x3 crit modifier; it's like a longsword, but its exotic benefit is the increased threat range.

I think there's another goof with that back chart. I believe there's a missing entry on the Special line of the Exotic Two-handed weapons:

The Garrote appropriately lists "grapple, see text".
The Mancatcher lists "reach, trip, see text".
I believe "reach, trip, see text" should instead be on the Meteor Hammer (formerly reach, disarm, trip, with text). The Mancatcher probably should have "reach, grapple, see text", which may be responsible for the confusion.

This does re-add some confusion to the Meteor Hammer, and whether it threatens at 5', 10', or depending on which of its fighting styles is used. I know you had previously stated it remained 10' in both styles, but that was a while ago.

Mancatcher should be "reach, grapple, see text."

Meteor hammer should be "reach, trip, see text" and the description should mention that the reach ability is only usable in fortress mode (otherwise it is clearly better than the spiked chain, which got toned down in PF to something more reasonable).

I just noticed an omission under the Channel Foci section. The table on Page 24 lists a Pectoral crest (75gp, 4 lbs.), but there is no description for it in the section. Did this get cut, or is there info on this that can be shared?

The Pectoral Crest is my bad. I actually cut it even before I sent it to Sean but somehow managed to miss chopping it from the price list.

1) Is the flambard really meant to be a trip weapon?

1) The flambard should not be a trip weapon (it looks like the last column of that part of the table shifted and was only partially corrected in the last pass, which is why the mancatcher and meteor hammer also had errors).

Okay question #2, the launching crossbow doesn't have any stats listed, it doesn't even have a range category or explain what the difference is between using it and just throwing a potion.

The launching crossbow has a 20 ft. range increment.

Sorry if someone's mentioned this and I missed it (I scanned the posts since people started getting PDFs and haven't seen it), but why are all the "FI"s missing in the explanatory text at the top of page one? I.e., "exotic weapon prociency," "procient user," "gain the benet of Weapon Focus," etc. Or is it an Acrobat issue?

It is a font ligature issue that we didn't catch because the art director printed off the proofing copies and the font was on her machine, but it wasn't on the machine that made the PDF for the printer and thus the ligatures got left out. We've fixed the process so this never happens again, but that doesn't help this time. :/ It looked great on the proofing pages, who knew?

What exactly do the specials "grapple" and "sunder" do? The Core Rulebook only defines "brace", "disarm", double", "monk", "nonlethal", "reach", and "trip"

Grapple: This weapon has special rules when used to make grapple attacks.

Sunder: This weapon has special rules when used to make sunder attacks.

Another one: the Dwarven Maulaxe lists damage type "P or S" which is a change from the PCCS where it "B or S". The description of the weapon leads me to assume B should be correct.

Yep, it's "B or S"

Just curious as to why spiked chain gets to benefit from weapon finesse, but Battle Poi don't.

Discarding that aberrant thought, yes, you probably should be able to use WF with the battle poi.

The Hollowed Pommel on page 7 doesn't have the DC listed to spot it.

"is a DC Perception check."

Interesting. That should be DC 15.

Sean - What is the GP cost and weight of the normal (non-sharpened) Combat Scabbard, found in the "Gears and Services" section under "Adventuring Gear". It's between 'Coffin' and 'Copy of a Key' in the descriptions but is missing on the table that shows weight and cost. I don't see it under 'Scabbard, Combat' either.

1 gp, 1 lb. :)

Unanswered Questions, typos, and possible Errata

A little typo I noticed for the Paizo note takers:

On the weapon chart, the Critical for the Bill (Two Handed Martial Weapon) is listed as v3, when it should be x3.

Dog, Combat Trained - In the text it is listed as medium. Is this a typo for the normal dog, which is small, or should these be treated as riding dogs, which are medium? Or something else, like an advanced template dog?

Elephant - For the purchase price, are these considered to be "combat trained" and "heavy labor" trained as implied in the text?

Also, it says that the elephant's upkeep is "exorbitant," since the only core rules I can find on upkeep for animals is the 5cp of feed per day, what would it be for an elephant?

Animal Harness - are these now required to train animals with the handle animal skill? If not were they intended to have some effect on training rolls, such as a +2 bonus to animal handle checks for training? Or is it just a fluff piece of equipment for players to spend gold on?

The Urumi does need to get listed on page 18 of the book then, as it has been converted from the PCCS.

I'm ambiguous about reading the benefit of:

Sly Draw
The feat flavor describes it as: "You can draw your weapon with such speed and finesse that your opponents don’t realize they’re threatened."

The way I see it, there are two ways of interpreting the benefit:

* Either you are allowed to make a feint check (using Sleight of Hand) as part of the action to draw a light weapon (presumably against an opponent that hasn't seen this trick yet).
* Or you can, when you have drawn a light weapon, make feint checks using Sleight of Hand for the rest of the combat

The former option makes sense in terms of the flavor (though would benefit from clarification on what constitutes legal use of this technique - no opponent will be surprised after the 5th dagger that you pull from your boot).

The latter is a conditional skill-replacement effect that on-top of that has a so-so feat requirement; I'd consider its powerlevel on par with a trait. The benefit does not really match with the flavor text and again - no opponent will be surprised after the 5th time he was attacked (with the same dagger).

I'm torn, as the intention feels like it is the former, but the execution leans towards the latter. Please clarify the feat for me :)

Ernest Mueller wrote:

Question on the armored kilt... It doesn't have stats in the tables. The description just says "it changes armor to one class heavier" but I hope it does something else because I have no idea in what situation that would be a benefit.

There are a number of items like the Armored Kilt that come from the Campaign Setting. Unless the book notes changes, you just use them as they are there. In the case of the Armored Kilt, you use the campaign setting version with the changes made in the Adventurer's Armory.

Adventuring Gear questions...

Blanket - does this have any impact on fortitude or survival rolls?

Hollowed Pommel - What is the DC for the perception check?

Marbles - How many squares are covered per bag?

Powder - How many squares are covered with a bag?

Pump Water Canister - The comment above about a holy water super soaker is pretty much what any proper gaming geek is going to leap at when seeing this included, followed up with what most likely would be disastrous experiments in making flame throwers, particularly if you match it up with Keros Oil.

If you want to spray an unwilling target, is this a ranged touch attack?

The wrist sheath on page 9 could probably use a little rewriting.

It can hold any single light weapon, ranged weapon, or wand weighing less than one pound. So, as written in can only hold a single dart, unless the weapon is mithral. (There are no weapons that weigh less than one pound, except ammunition [covered next] and the dart.)
And: Alternatively, it may hold up to 1 pound of ammunition. So, it can only hold a dagger if it is mithral - but it can hold 20 longbow arrows.

The sneezing powder looks suspicious. 60 gp and TWO POUNDS of powder really seem a lot for one dose. :)

Abraham spalding wrote:

Karui Kage][quote="Abraham spalding wrote:

What is the "Close Weapon" that the Scabbard, Combat references in its item description in the Gear and Services section? The heavy blade combat scabbard references the hammer (I assume the light hammer?) but all the light blade references is "close weapon" which isn't on any chart that I've seen.

They're for the purpose of Fighter weapon groups. Close weapons are:

PRD wrote:

Close: gauntlet, heavy shield, light shield, punching dagger, sap, spiked armor, spiked gauntlet, spiked shield, and unarmed strike.

Hammers are:

PRD wrote:

Hammers: club, greatclub, heavy mace, light hammer, light mace, and warhammer.

So if you are a Fighter who has one of those weapon groups, you can include a heavy-blade scabbard in the hammer group, or a light-blade scabbard in the close group.

In that case what is the damage and crit range, etc. for these items?

I have to wonder if the text about the fighter groups was meant to go with "Combat Scabbard, Sharpened" which is in the Weapons section and does have stats to go with it.

EDIT: actually, it does talk about the fighter weapon groups being useful for the Equipment Trick feat, in which there *are* uses where the combat scabbard can be used as a trip attack, for example. So that might be what the bonuses are meant to apply to.

I don't know about the line, but this particular book could use some improvement.

I'm not talking about the weapon changes either.

Examples:

There is space taken to describe horses, and they are on the chart. And yet, aside from a brief mention of what nations breed superior horses and listing how much the horses weigh, there isn't any different information than can be found in the Core book.

Same thing with the riding dog.

But then the combat trained dog is introduced, and it is the same price as the guard dog from the Core book (which doesn't have any description) and no mention of which stats are to be used. It would seem an awfully cheap way to get a riding dog, since that is the only medium dog stats we have available in the Pathfinder line.

Why is Garlic a Black Market item? Is there a world wide ban on this herb? And why even list Holly and Mistletoe if there isn't going to be a price or weight given?

Calixymenthillian wrote:

Karui Kage wrote:

Personally, I think I'm fine with most of the weapons changes except the bladed scarf. For a two-handed exotic weapon, it just doesn't seem worth it anymore. Only 1d6 damage, 20/x2 crit, with the ability to trip and a +2 to disarm. Seems pretty meh overall. Granted, it is finessable and the 1d4 damage to people grappling you is kinda neat... I just miss the reach.

From Sean's post "Bladed scarf is correct on the table" I got the impression that it lost the finesse and grapple damage qualities too, since they're not mentioned on the table... if that's not the case I might reconsider classifying the weapon as completely useless.

I went off the line that if an item is listed in the campaign setting, use it as is with the changes in the Adventurer's Armory. As far as I've seen, weapons that can be finessed don't list it in the tables (see elven curve blade) nor would they say anything about the ability to damage someone trying to grapple you. As they weren't written out in that fashion, I left them in on my own table. I kind of wish items were written in their entirety in there, but I can understand why they left all the details on the campaign setting items out of a space issue. Heck, that's why the Armor Kilt doesn't even have a table entry. :) (at least, I assume that's why)

meteor hammer looks really broken... and like its missing some things. for one it doesn't mention what the damage for using it as a double weapon is

right now it seems to presume:
meteor mode: 1d10/1d10 19-20/x2 crit with a 5' reach, trip, pull
fortress mode: 1d10 2hd-ed 19-20/x2 crit, with a 10' reach, trip and pull.

this is over the spiked chain. which could never be used as a double weapon, had reach removed. and only did 2d4/x2 not 2d4/19-20 and just does disarm and trip.

looking at the meteor hammer, its one of the best weapons in the game.

We are dumping the NPC.

:-(

Erik Mona wrote:

We are dumping the NPC.

:-(

As one of the guys who got the ball rolling on loosing personas, I can say I didn't mind the section. I just had a problem with it giving stats. I have no problem with personas, I had merely said that if you were going to give them they wind up like the sistsers a description with a level tag at best. Not a statted up character. Anywho, sean said something that's piqued my interest so i'm going to start a discussion about it on the companion board.