Cult of Vorg wrote:
This sounds like what I was looking for thanks, what's the WMH?
edit// weapon master handbook, got it thanks.
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PFU Hoffman wrote:
I believe it would be "governments in PFO". I'm sure a round table from the different blocs could be brought in for that if people are interested in it.
Gol Tigari wrote:
Tigari, with all due respect, unless Thod has officially declared you his forum lawyer, who the hell are you to be demanding an official Phaeros response on his behalf?
We are talking to Thod and an official response may or may not happen at a settlement level. Preventing Thod from picking up his stuff seems unlikely, since there is no EBA wide sanctions against EL, it would have to come from Hammerfall to deny access to EL. As far as I know Hammerfall is still a trade partner of EL's.
Absolutely Omni. EBA is Neutral Good and I believe the the term confederacy fits us a bit better. Aeonian League from my understanding is a bit more of a "United States" and more centralized. EoX is an empire and the Highlanders are more like the greek city states. All fascinating stuff, huh? We should do a seminar at PFU together ;)
Gol Tigari wrote:
Actually you guys made this an EBA matter by bringing the option of revoking EL's privilege to EBA TERRITORY. Thod just made a post calling out Decius, then EBA responded. Not one entity my butt. And nice try trying to change subjects, that means I'm hitting the right spot
Nope, go back and read Cheatle's statement. Cheatle, who I guess you could sorta call the "president" of the EBA council, very clearly tells Thod that he is fed up with the extortion and that he will RECOMMEND to the EBA council, actions at the EBA level. At that point some talks happened at it doesn't appear anything at that level will happen.
That's the political challenge of running a loose alliance that EBA and all the other "free association alliances" in the game will have to deal with constantly. The price of freedom, is very often a little chaos ;)
Gol Tigari wrote:
That's exactly my point Avari. I'm on my phone so not able to quote, but if this is being handle on a settlement level, both Brighthaven and Keepers Pass have chimmed in saying they are not going to be hostile (yet) to Thod (per his question if his members are no longer allowed in EBA territory, and if he's able to get his stuff from Hammerfall), BUT Phaeros has not, meaning they could treat Thod and EL with Hostilities until stated otherwise
Yes, that is correct. There was a price put on the head of one of our leaders and I don't believe we have a an official response to that yet.
I find it pretty awesome from reading this thread that an invader like Tigari thinks we are a unified Nation, while our trade partners in the south think we are just a loose group of friends.
That's the confederacy working as intended. For the most part you can trade and even skirmish with us at a settlement level. But kick the hornet's nest and you will feel the full wrath of the largest alliance in the game.
That's how it was drawn up, people can try to poke holes in the rationale but it sure seems to be working just fine.
EBA is best described as a confederacy. We bandied the idea of using the word in our title but chickened out because of the connotations it has for US players. But that's what we are.
War, of course, makes the confederacy tighten up and do things on an alliance level a little bit more than we normally like to, but come peace time (and there will be peace time in the SE and war time everywhere else) we will loosen up as planned and continue with our plan of self-run city-states with common defense and favored trade.
I hope that sheds some light on the question of how and why EBA would react in concert against a sustained attack by a common enemy powerful enough to destroy us like EoX, but then turn around and deal with a minor scuffle with EL on a settlement level.
It is a territory warfare game and all nations and settlements will be claiming territory and its resources to varying degrees of zealousness. However it is also a sandbox game, which means you can actually play Chaotic Good Robin Hood stealing resources in the forest.
KotC - Erian El'ranelen wrote:
The Keepers of the Circle intend to move our Market actions to Hammmerfall in support of it being our primary external-facing market. I will also be using it as the meeting spot for transactions, unless folks just want to go to Keeper's Pass. I believe that will drive up activity.
Pretty much this. Hammerfall had quite a bit going on as the EA's external trade hub but was momentarily "abandoned" for that use when full loot went in and there were no Thornguards. Expect increased action going forward.
Hammerfall per se is an active, low pop settlement led by some really great people. If you are a trader or gatherer with the cojones to make your riches in a frontier town with its own unique terrain resource grid, you should consider Hammerfall. The opportunities are there for the taking and full EA military support is available.
Sorry for threadjack, back to you regularly scheduled program.
<kabal> Bunibuni wrote:
Exactly. Anybody thinks this is a land grab should check out Stoneroot and its TWENTY towers. There is reason they call this stage of the game the "Land Rush". It's like early America where there is just more land than settlers. Anybody willing to make the trek into the corners of the map can find cheap land.
You guys are acting like there isn't an empirical statistic that measures this, reputation. We don't have the alignment system in yet but we have already seen for months now:
1. EA strives to keep its reputation high, mostly killing only in sanctioned PvP, just like the good guys are supposed to do in this game.
2. Golgotha methodically times its reputation hits. They burn their rep, call off the dogs and then get back to burning rep once they have it back. Just like a Lawful Evil group is supposed to in this game.
3. We have already seen a few chaotic evils burn through their rep and get bored and leave the game when they realize they have to chill out or suck. That's exactly the behavior CE is supposed to have in this game.
The meta game has nothing to do with this. Playing evil or good in PFO doesn't make you a bad or good person its called a ROLEPLAY game folks and so far I think everybody is doing pretty much exactly what they advertised they would.
I'd just like to chime in that another of the reasons we picked to be tucked away in our corner is so that we wouldn't have to deal with as many newbies gathering our stuff and wandering into our area without knowing what's what. Most people that make it down to EA territory know that they are in EA territory. It was a meaningful choice that we made a long time ago to sacrifice a little bit of recruiting advantages in order to be able to enforce a policy like this one with minimum grief.
Yes we have a plan, and yes we still like our plan.
Ryan's also said he expects LG to be difficult to maintain because its constricting to PvP.
I dunno, I'm still not sold on alignment as more than a faction wheel (Fallen Earth style) with Reputation doing the all the heavy lifting for "arsehat funneling". We shall see.
I do agree with the sentiment on communication. I will sleep well at night knowing we had best interests at heart but that doesn't mean that we don't have anything to learn from this.
I will also however issue a stern warning to any who think this only happened to BWG because they were on the "front line". We've had plenty of griefing stories from other parts of the map. GW even had to put an order down to stop it Marchmont.
And don't let Golgotha's generally chivalrous attempts at arch rivalry with EBA fool you. When the REAL arsehats come into the game, they will be preying on the weakest settlements they can find.
Al Smithy wrote:
Yes, I'm sure Mourn would have been completely transparent with you guys about him having talks with other groups. You'll never believe that it happened, though it did, but then that's how the world works sometimes.
I have never and will never speak for Mourn. I do speak on behalf of Phaeros, and in this particular situation the EBA, as to what we did in respect to trying to keep BWG in the game and with a settlement.
Al Smithy wrote:
You could always ask Mourn if he asked other alliances and groups if they wanted BWG to join them, or to move there, because that is the word that has been going around. From what I heard, one of his complaints was that EBA partitioned away his towers without him really having much of a say in the matter.
Yeah, that never happened. There was an offer on the table to merge with Hammerfall. Mourn didn't take the offer, so it didn't happen. The EBA never had a top down order to take away BWG towers, BWG had full towers up until Mourn left the game.
Al Smithy wrote:
I heard rumors that EBA was pretty much throwing BWG under the bus and they were talking to other groups and alliances for help.
I am pretty certain that the EBA has been as or more proactive with our struggling settlements as anybody else in the game.
We haven't attempted half arsed coupes in game or out, we haven't taken "administration" of any settlement and we most certainly haven't thrown anybody under the bus since BWG up until last week still had full towers allocated to it.
What we HAVE done is give free sets of gear, proactively get people in a room to suggest mergers, purchase with real money settlements that don't wish to play and provide a road map to folding in an organized manner WHEN AND IF leadership of that settlement decides its time to do so.
All the while patrolling the entire SE from roaming bands of bored PK'ers who are looking for PvP just challenging enough that they don't have to take their left hand away from where it usually is.
This isn't rumor, I know because I was THERE.
Now, I triple dog DARE you to say you have done anything close to that for anybody in this game before you open your pie hole again with this kind of Grima Wormtongue-mud grenade-horse doodoo.
A sterling defense of Ryan Dancey and the price of freedom (8 faves) from everybody's favorite forum war:
Ryan was very, very clear from the beginning that he was going to referee the debate but he wasn't going to judge it. I dare anybody to find a quote to the contrary. It is up to the community to fight and settle disputes, it is up to GW to make sure it doesn't get toxic and to steer the punches "above the belt".
A precedent has been set. We will police ourselves and GW will step in only if we get out of hand or if somebody has flat out broken a rule (Pax did not). Bending rules, pushing fine lines and interpreting the gray areas is going to be up to us to police.
So, boys and girls, stop crying in your milk. Freedom isn't a bowl of ice cream. These tough and sometimes painful debates are the price of being given the power to set community standards amongst ourselves. If you don't feel comfortable with this public "voting process", find a representative to air your concerns, learn to be more vocal, or just stick to RP events...
But don't blame Ryan Dancey.
With our 3 year anniversary around the corner the 7th Veil has kept its promise to the PFO Community to provide knowledge and be a beacon of positive game play.
We are set up in a sweet spot, are a major cog in the game's largest alliance and have collected an excellent group of human beings who play this game really damn well.
I won't say 7th Veil is the best choice, but I will say it's a great one.
The DT's being sold like hot cakes is another indicator (where are the people who decried the game's death when they weren't selling now?).
I'd like to see ~15 healthy settlements break from the pack and start absorbing the no shows. The sooner we have 12-15 settlements with ~50+ players, the sooner this game takes off.
The graphics and limitations at this stage of the game can be somewhat jarring, but have faith that things have improved vastly in the last few months alone. The complexity of the systems is an acquired taste, but once you "get it" you will enjoy the endless learning process. PFO is a mocking joke of a game if you plan to play alone, but in a healthy sized group it is addictive.
TEO Cheatle wrote:
It's actually very simple, if someone RP's "against you" then they are against you in game. It also means they don't necessarily hold anything against you OOC.
That's why they call it Rp-PvP. It is an extremely positive force I hope is used often in this game because it takes a lot of the "personal" player to player bad feelings out of winning and losing.
Our party once found a dagger of reincarnation - anyone killed with it immediately reincarnated as a monster of the DMs choosing. Needless to say, we all immediately fell on it. Our party for the rest of the campaign was a Nightmare, a Formian, a couple less interesting ones that I forget, and a were-badger.
He's a nice guy. I would a been like Stench Kow, Stench Kow, Stench Kow, Jelly Cube and...Stench Kow.
KotC Carbon D. Metric wrote:
I hate you.