Half Elven. How do I build it? Thanks.
why the rogue?
What is your goal with those options? Barbarian and rogue aren't commonly combined classes. Falcata favors classes with lots of static bonuses to damage, which isn't the rogue, but could be the barbarian.
If I could find a sufficiently flavored sneaky barb I'd do it.
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why the rogue?
Cause it has it's fan base that is completely blinded by loyalty to it's name that they fails to see the poor mechanics of the class. They will try to do what ever they can to make taking levels of rogue seem "worth it". Some even go as far as stating Sneak Attack builds sport the Highest DPR. I've stopped asking why...People will continue to be suckered by the rogue. Truthfully the only thing a rogue steals is the good time of the player who picked it.
Barbarian 1 /Vivisectionist Alchemist 6-
Can boost a stat by +10 by 2nd level also adding +2 Natural armor and size bonuses. Can add sneak attacks to Melee Strikes. You want stealthy...Extract of Invisibility...surprise a raging monstrosity is now on top of you. Deal with it. I highly recommend Tumor Familiar with the Protector Archetype with a Hedgehog for +2 will saves. This basically is Iron will on steroids. I highly suggest going Str based because your damage with the Falcata will be much better. Power attack + 28 Str + Large Sized + 2 handed damage +Sneak attack seems like a good mix of damage going onto a target. Extracts offer so much more utility than rogue levels.
Cause it has it's fan base that is completely blinded by loyalty to it's name that they fails to see the poor mechanics of the class. They will try to do what ever they can to make taking levels of rogue seem "worth it". Some even go as far as stating Sneak Attack builds sport the Highest DPR. I've stopped asking why...People will continue to be suckered by the rogue. Truthfully the only thing a rogue steals is the good time of the player who picked it.
Well that, and utility is fun. Really not looking for a munchkin build like alchemist or lame oracle. Just something fun that will stand up into the mid teen levels.
I can ditch the Falcatta for TWF hand axes and dex build. Just trying to translate an old online character for PnP campaign.
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Urban barbarian 1 for dex rage, the new WMH falcata swashbuckler 1 would make it finessable and give prof, & un-rogue 3 for dex damage that works 2hand or 2weapon unlike slashing grace, then either back to Barb or anything more fun for the rest?
If ok taking h-elf trait to get prof, any swash would give you dex to hit. If not going dex, then I'd avoid the rogue and go for static damage and skills elsewhere..
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Really not looking for a munchkin build like alchemist or lame oracle. Just something fun that will stand up into the mid teen levels.
You misunderstand the word utility. A rogue does not offer Utility. It offers some skills. The class has the most skills given via a class but does not excel at most those skills due to their Stats. Many classes can skill better than a rogue. Rogues also Offer Trapfinding...but again this can be done by many other classes so it is not a exclusive Nich of the class. It barely offers reliable damage...but all martial classes fight better. It comes with the Games worst saves.
Utility is the state of being useful, profitable, or beneficial.
Taking levels of D8 HD, Non-full BaB, and terrible saves will also make your Mid Teen levels harder than staying with straight Barb or picking a better Dipping class.
Lastly:
Looking for something fun is EXTREMELY vague and ATM makes it sound like only rogues or dipped rogues are fun and everything more viable is Munchkin/power gaming.
Urban barbarian 1 for dex rage, the new WMH falcata swashbuckler 1 would make it finessable and give prof, & un-rogue 3 for dex damage that works 2hand or 2weapon unlike slashing grace, then either back to Barb or anything more fun for the rest?
If ok taking h-elf trait to get prof, any swash would give you dex to hit. If not going dex, then I'd avoid the rogue and go for static damage and skills elsewhere..
This sounds like what I was looking for thanks, what's the WMH?
edit// weapon master handbook, got it thanks.
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for a "Stealthy" Barbarian you will definitely need Coherent Rage. The Savage Technologist works if you want to go a Dex baised build, just ignore the gun stuff if it doesn't suit you character.
Wrap a Effortless Lace around your Falcata to make it a Finesse Weapon, get proficentcy through the Half Elves Ancesteral Arms Alternate Racial Trait.
The Unchained Rogue with the Skulking Slayer Archetype has a brutish flavor to it, so concider buying in with Racial Heratage.
Invest in Cleave Feats.
That should be a decent start.
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Urban Barbarian 1/Slayer X is very effective. Full BAB goodness plus trap finding and skill points.
If you want a sneaky barbarian why not just make a barbarian and use one of your traits to make stealth a class skill (with a +1 trait bonus)?
If you want more skills/utility there's the wild stalker ranger archetype that gets rage (at 4th), more skills (including stealth), and some spells...
Not enough utility? Ok, how about an inquisitor with the anger inquisition or the destruction (rage) domain? They get rage later (6th or 8th) but have good skill selection and are 6 level casters (plus judgements, bane, etc).
Multiclassing some levels of Rogue with a solid bruiser can do some fun things, though ultimately it's probably a better idea with a strength-based character who uses Scout Rogue/Ninja to poach some bonus Sneak Attack and things like Vanishing Trick.
Just two levels of Scarred Rager and the Extra Rage feat can set up a strength-based Rogue/Ninja with fatigue-immune rage-cycle on a two-handed weapon, so they can go from stealth to a raging two-handed frenzy back to calm stealth pretty seamlessly; and the always popular Vanishing Trick really brings out the "stealth" theme when you can go from raging murder-machine to utterly gone in a second.
Just trying to translate an old online character for PnP campaign.
Could you expand on what the old online character was? Did it have a rage mechanic? Did it have sneak attack?
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I would suggest starting as either a Human or Half-Elf to grab the Proficiency Feat at first level. Level 1 should be Barbie for the D12 Hit Dice, so pick up Power Attack to go along with it. Somewhere along the line I would suggest switching to a Large Falcata and grabbing Weapon Focus to mitigate the -2 to Attack rolls by 1.
As far as playing "sneaky" I would suggest a 2 level dip in Ranger or Slayer over rogue. Not loosing BAB is important to a Str. based melee build. In the case of the Slayer you could even grab Trapfinding if that sort of thing tickles your fancy. Both will grab you 6 skill points per level with better saves, HP, and no loss of BAB.
Except for Evasion as level 2 I don't see a big gain to rogue dipping for a barbarian.
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Except for Evasion as level 2 I don't see a big gain to rogue dipping for a barbarian.
I find that Evasion can be replaced with a solid HP. Since Passing the save Halfs the damage. I then layer my defense with resist energy or DR or BOTH. Most reflexes saves are accompanied by HP damage.
So really using your advice for a D12 and D10 classes evasion is not as much a necessary as on a d8 class. It would be strictly a perk...but the ability can be bought mid-late game. Or with 9 levels of Ranger (which is not that bad at all lol) Also makes it super easy to build a switch hitter style character which tends to be really effective. Rage+Favored enemy defiantly handles Melee....and Favored enemy+ Ranger fighting style Archery can cover the ranged damage. Would be a much more viable character over dipping rogue.
Wow, savage tech Barb is a great lvl 1 dip, don't know how I've missed that! Keeps the fast movement unlike Urban..
With that and the right stats, you could skip the rogue's dex damage, aim for weapon training and the advanced training (also WMH) that doubles WT when you dex to hit with str to damage..
Unfortunately, my first post was wrong, normal swash doesn't work to make falcatas finessable unless you take Slashing Grace, so have to use the falcata swash and give up derring-do.
So, Barb(ST)1, Swash(F)1, then maybe Fighter(Weapon Master)5 for the above and probably the skill ranks advanced trainings.. Leave some feats open for Extra Rage if you don't go back to Barb, and you'll definitely want Iron Will.
If you're dumping Cha, no worries about the low panache, just go Swash5 and take a Dare to benefit from the empty pool, or take Extra Panache at some point instead.
If you want dex damage and like the rogue class despite its problems, go for it instead. Savage Tech's Str boost will be useful until rogue3, and possibly for str skills or non-falcata damage after that.
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I recommend Slayer with a variant multi-class in barbarian.
You lose some feats, but you get sneak attack, lots of skills, trapfinding (via a talent), evasion (via a talent), uncanny dodge, rage, full BAB, 2 good saves, and can deal a boatload of damage while still getting to keep your skills. In fact, the slayer is better at some key skills than rogue due to the various skill bonuses they get from studied combat (not just an in-combat ability!) and track. A strength-based build only needs 1 feat (power attack) to be effective forever, and if you're doing a barbarian mix I assume you want to have decent strength (at least 14, probably 16 to start).
You basically look like a Barbarian/Rogue hybrid, but are better than what you'd be if you were *actually* barbarian/rogue.
I recommend Slayer with a variant multi-class in barbarian.
You lose some feats, but you get sneak attack, lots of skills, trapfinding (via a talent), evasion (via a talent), uncanny dodge, rage, full BAB, 2 good saves, and can deal a boatload of damage while still getting to keep your skills. In fact, the slayer is better at some key skills than rogue due to the various skill bonuses they get from studied combat (not just an in-combat ability!) and track. A strength-based build only needs 1 feat (power attack) to be effective forever, and if you're doing a barbarian mix I assume you want to have decent strength (at least 14, probably 16 to start).
You basically look like a Barbarian/Rogue hybrid, but are better than what you'd be if you were *actually* barbarian/rogue.
Very cool idea. When does the Barbarian stuff come online again?
Wait, why the Falcata? You're not going to get to use your dexterity with it. Seems very counterintuitive to a build that seems to want as much dexterity as it can get.
Wait, why the Falcata? You're not going to get to use your dexterity with it. Seems very counterintuitive to a build that seems to want as much dexterity as it can get.
Yes, after some great feedback in here and more search I found the Elven curve blade. Weapone finesse, DEX build with a dip in slayer or rogiue later.
Thanks guys!