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Well this has certainly caught my attention.

I see it includes spells, how much of this book would be useful for a necromancer from a different subsystem, like say spheres of power or wordcasting?


Huh, good to know.

High tech mythic perhaps?

You're running out of subsystems I know are popular.

Not that I'd say no to a book of high tech Pact Magic. High tech spacefaring cultures ought to have plenty of material there.


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Fair enough.

But yes, I think you folks might want to consider expanding on the Spheres of Might material.

The first thing that springs to mind, or at least my mind, is how combat techniques change with the setting.

Outlaw weapons, and people start playing hardball with farming implements and bare hands and feet, etc.

So in a high tech setting like Starfinder there ought to be warriors taking advantage of their high tech weaponry and doing stuff with their monomolecular whips or jet powered knives that either wouldn't be possible or practical with lower tech weaponry.

How about a Armiger who keeps tinkering with personal bit of power armor?

Or a Commander of robots for something similar to the helmsman? Or a Helmsman who channels his combat talents through his mecha?

Or throw in some Champions material, like say a magic swordsman with a plasma sword, for example.

So I think there's definitely an unexplored niche there.


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Ah yes, to the top of my wishlist with this.

I've enjoyed the previous books in this series and I like SoP and SoM, so that's a no brainer.

But since you're open to questions, how about a short rundown of the SoM love in this book? Talents, archetypes, feats?


Well of course this book comes out while I'm too broke to buy it. :(

I know about the Radiant, Eclipse, and Nexus, so would anyone be kind enough to give a synopsis of what the Aethernaut is like?

Or the new goodies for the Aberrant Aegis, Echo, and Theurge?

I like to know what I'm missing, you see.


I was browsing open gaming store and found a series of books of classes, Of Stranger Bonds by Alessandro Passera, culminating in a compendium that collects the entire series. Couldn't find it anywhere else, which might be part of the problem I'm having.

50 classes total, 49 classes based on being monsters, and the Pledged, who seem to be "get power by agreement with outside powers," in this case the Strangers, class with 6 archetypes, plus orders that they can join ala cavaliers, and a "summoner variant."

So I quite like monster classes and this has stuff from Zombie to Phoenix, and the Pledged sound more fleshed out than most 3PP material.

But the devil is in the details, the concept is awesome, but there are no previews, no reviews, and fifty bucks is a bit much for me to just buy it and hope I like it, even when that comes out to a dollar a class.

So has anyone perused any of the books and be willing to give an assessment? I'm willing to assume that any of the books are indicative of the other eight books in the series when it comes to utility and quality.


Nate Z wrote:
Yeah, what IS this exactly? I sounds neat, but I'd have no idea what I'd actually be getting.

I've read a bit more about this product, and it's like a Men in Black/Librarians kind of scenario where the players work for an organization that deals with the things that go bump in the night so that the muggles can keep enjoying their cable TV and fast food without realizing that humans aren't on the top of the food chain.

So I know I like the concept, I've watched several tv shows with that concept, after all.

It's their execution of the concept that I want to know more about before I know if this is a must buy for me or not.

I want to know what are the PCs like in particular. Do they deal with monsters by using hunting techniques to deal with superior opponents like on Supernatural? Use wits and knowledge to solve the issue without generally resorting to violence like in Librarians? Or do they use cinematic skills or their own supernatural powers to fight fire with fire?

There are a lot of different ways they could have gone.


I'm curious about this, anyone willing to give a little review of this?


Good to know. Thanks.


Bellona wrote:

Which 3PP would that be? I'd be interested in looking at something like that.

Well there would be Purple Duck Games' Unchained Monk Archetypes and Everyman Gaming's Everyman Unchained: Monk Archetypes 1 and 2.


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It seems to me that a bit more detail on the classes might be helpful to anyone on the fence.

So four new classes.

The Channeler kind of reminds me of the dragonslayers of Fairy Tail.

They get spells, elemental blasts, elemental resistance and later immunity, and eat attacks of their element to heal themselves.

They have the four basic elements- earth, air, fire, water, and then, if my counting is right, 27 advanced elements.

At 19th level they can have a character master up to 10 of them.

At twentieth level the channeler can have two elements active at a time, so elemental blasts of fiery darkness or frozen love is a go.

The Kai is a spellcaster who casts cosmic magic through poses and specializes in casting spells as free actions, so it makes me think "tai chi magic."

The Maven is a master of a handful of spells, up to 6, that they can augment in all sorts of ways. A fireball could be cast as ice, force, acid, lightning, or heal people, or ignore anti-magic fields, etc, as an example.

And last but certainly not least is the Runesmith, a cleric like divine caster of middling attack bonus who can only cast their non-rune of symbol spells as runes or into spell completion items.

Runesmithing, available to non runecarvers with a feat, are kind of like an item creation feat, allowing one to make a rune on an object to hold a spell until triggered.

So the Runecarver is kind of like a runic cleric Batman, the runes they prepared being what's in their utility belt.


GM Rednal wrote:


Also, Solar Zodiacs get proficiency in all martial weapons, qualifying them for a Martial Tradition in SoM. So there's that.

Huh, I was just looking at the Zodiac because of this discussion and somehow I missed that last bit.

Good to know.

Although this discussion was making me think what a SoM archetype for this class would be like, and I was thinking something like Shirou from Fate Stay/Night who can not only conjure weapons but the skills that go with that.

So instead of summoning champions or just summoning weapons, a Zodiac who transforms into their own champion, giving them access to appropriate combat talents to go with the weapons they manifest.

So like Barrage and Sniper to go with Archer, Athletics and Brute for Bull, Equipment to go with Crab, etc.

Something like Brawler Martial Flexibility, basically.

No idea what class feature(s) to suggest that replaces so it doesn't come out as cheese or weak sauce, though, I have no talent in that regard, alas.


the xiao wrote:
Something that I forgot to add in my review: The Solar Zodiac has/gives indirect support with/to the Spheres of Might system with some reverse-engineering. You can exchange a lot of your normal feat for access to adept or proficient progression, But I bet any DM worth his salt, and owns Spheres of Might, will let a Solar exchange 5 or 8 of the bonus combat feats the class gets for such a progression, or maybe all and then some of the normal feats for the expert one.

Solar Zodiacs have up to 10 extra feats as a class feature, combat feats being one of the available options.

Extra combat talent is a combat feat, so essentially the Zodiac already has a built in combat talent progression if the player so desires.

Or the player could just use the regular feat exchange and then take advantage of those extra ten feats.

A Zodiac could switch out 8 feats for 15 combat talents, and still come out ahead with two extra feats, or sacrifice five feats to get 10 combat talents and still enjoy five extra feats.

Or spend those ten feats to get up to 25 combat talents under their belt.

So I have to say I'd think the Zodiac is pretty adequate on the whole "let a player play a SoM version" front.

Although sadly it doesn't qualify for a martial tradition.


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Okay, since there hasn't been any review or discussion about this product, I thought I'd get the ball rolling.

Apparently inspired by the Occultist class from pathfinder, this class also has items that they invest energy into.

The very major difference is that the Successor doesn't choose objects based on schools of magic, but rather on character types.

So the choices are cunning, faith, war, and magic.

Which means this is a chameleonic class along the lines of the taskshaper, radiance house occultist, the interjection games reaper, or legend summoning thaumaturge.

So how magical, roguelike, magical, or divine your character is going to be will vary with day to day as you choose to invest your mana, or keep it in reserve (at the cost of half efficiency) as situations come up.

Of course which legacy powers and heirlooms you choose will also limit your options, you're not going to be very good at emulating rogues if you don't have an heirloom of cunning. :)

This book also includes archetypes for other classes to get in on the fun, namely the slayer, war priest, arcanist, and brawler.

Also includes an archetype for the Successor, which is kind of a Successor as Shifter, instead of being a character with access to psychically charged heirlooms from a legacy of power, they are raised by wolves types who are infused with the power of nature which they can invest into their own bodies. And grow claws.

This book also includes feats, the bulk of them seem to be about combining heirlooms into dual legacy heirlooms for a pool of specialized mana that can be spent to increase a specific effect.

Also the folks at Lost Spheres seem to include at least one green lantern fan, since there is a feat chain that allows a Successor to use a ring for legacy powers that aren't generally available to rings, and feed items to the ring to enable the successor to manifest the destroyed items with the expenditure of mana.

For those of you who like me have a fondness for equipment makers like the Soulknife I imagine that is a nice bonus.


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the xiao wrote:
Is this the first in a series? do you need any other book to use this?

The other books in the series are-

Arcforge: Psibertech, covering psionicist stuff as the name implies.

Arcforge: Star*path which covers starfinder to pathfinder and vice versa conversion and includes Path of War archetypes for the Solarian, Envoy, Soldier, and Operative.


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While the description is more informative than a lot of descriptions here, it did leave out something I felt people would want to know.

While also giving guidelines for converting from pathfinder to starfinder and vice versa, this also finishes the trilogy of books based on the subsystems of Dreamscarred Press- Path of War.

So if you've ever wanted a PoW archetype for the Solarian, Mechanic, Envoy, or Soldier, this is the book for you.

And I'm really digging the Robot Lord archetype for the Helmsman, which allows one to replace mecha with a mechanic's drone or exocortex.


Prototype would be largely redundant after the Symbiont class, but how about an archetype for Symbiont along the lines of the blackblooded Crona of Soul Eater?

A Symbiont that manifests not natural weapons but manifest melee and thrown weapons and new limbs to wield more melee and thrown weapons?


Yes, thank you, that is far more informative.


bycot wrote:
StSword wrote:

So would anyone who's bought this one feel up to providing at least a mini-review?

The concept is interesting, but the description doesn't even make it clear if this is a base class or a summoner archetype.

I'll update the description. In function it's a base class and not an archetype. There were a few reasons for that, largely because of how much we stripped away, gave the class a spell book, and swapped the casting stat, it became impractical to think of it as an archetype due to such large changes. For all these reasons it was much easier for us to program the herolab files as a class all its own rather than an archetype.

The other reason we wanted to go with a class rather than an archetype was because in the future we want to build archetypes off of this class. For instance we're working on a Necromancer version of this class that would swap out the standard templates for Undead templates instead.

Okay that's a start, it's a class,and the necromancer archetype does sound interesting.

It is a studied summoner, how does studying improve its summoning? Does it learn how to apply new templates? Does it learn how to summon specific individuals for a pseudo-consort relationship? Learn how to add new monsters to the available summon monster lists?

Now maybe for other people saying "this is a scholarly summoner" does it for them, but for me that's like describing the ranger class as an "outdoors person."

To me that doesn't sell ranger, but a "combat oriented class that can track and enjoy an animal companion while specializing in a form of combat and limited nature based spellcasting," that sells ranger.


So would anyone who's bought this one feel up to providing at least a mini-review?

The concept is interesting, but the description doesn't even make it clear if this is a base class or a summoner archetype.


Well if you don't use my suggestions I'm sure you'll add other cool stuff anyway. :)

The other day it occurred to me- Battle Augur covers both the blue mage and a megaman like archetype, there's another famous video game character it could be made to cover- Kirby. You are what you eat!

Also another character that I thought might make an interesting class- Epic Mickey with his Paint and Thinner.


Well the In the Company of...series has both a Wight and a Vampire book (so as a playable race with a monster class), and Necromancers of the Northwest have a playable vampires (revenants) in their Liber Vampyr series, available as a template and as a class feature since the vampire classes gain the revenant template as a first level bonus.

I'm sure there are others, but that's what I can recall offhand.

And yes, nothing stops a Helmsman (or any other class) from buying power armor but the class features would still be about controlling and enhancing mecha instead of enhancement of worn power armor.

Perhaps something something like that will make the cut if you decide to make this a trilogy.

Arcforge Magitech perhaps?


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I especially liked nano-metabolic interface and Resonant Musculature of the Goddess

I do wish Necrotic Scourge Augmentation had been written with the intent to include an option for those playing an undead character (thanks to third party material). But oh well.

Kudos for the aegis inspired power armor rules.

Only wish the rules had been in one book, because Arcforge really made me want an akashic iron man type archetype for the Helmsman.


Thanks.

Bought and perused.


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Well more Mega-Man goodness would be good for me.

Have you considered something in the line of Bioshock? Perhaps something like an alchemical knight based on the Alpha Big Daddies or a kineticist/alchemist hybrid class inspired by Splicers?

How about a Madness Warrior based on American McGee's Alice? People who cloth and arm themselves with manifestations of their inner world?


Well this has certainly got my attention, and I quite liked Technology Expanded the companion book, anyone up to sharing a little review of the material in here?


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So I got this, and noticed that the description is a little sparse on details here.

For those who haven't been following the Godhand thread where this was talked about, here's a rundown.

So this supplement for the Godhand base class includes a bloodline/specialty/domain equivalent- You choose the type of entity bound in your arm. Angel, demon, psychopomp, inevitable, lovecraftian elder deity, etc? All covered. I especially like the psychopomp and old one options.

New morphologies, some of them limited to certain types of spirits or archetypes. Want a detachable arm, corrosive punches, or a rocket punch? This book has you covered.

Archetypes like the Alchemical Hand who mutated their hand through better chemistry.

The Contacted who are experimented on by incomprehensible entities- aliens, time travelers or the like, they came for some alien abductions, light cow tipping, and giving you a tentacle.

Dragon-Arms who have a mini-dragon for an arm. All the time, too, which surprised me.

Greenhands who are like the druidic variant of the Godhand, filling their arms with the power of green growing things instead of an angel or a demon.

A couple of new feats for Godhands. The stand out to me is the one that allows your arm to count as a holy symbol that makes holy water.

And last but not least, alternate racial favored class bonuses for eleven races.

If you still don't know if you want the book or not from the above, feel free to share whatever questions you have.


Little Red Goblin Games wrote:
It sold decently but there is more to determining if we should expand a product than "how well did it sell". Things like community engagement and feedback, what kind of ideas we have for future content, and reviews. For example: Tome of Ethical Necromancy sold REALLY well but I don't think Ian has said "yeah- I got an idea for 4 more of those" (though I could see him writing "Tomes" along the same vein on other topics) and there hasn't been a desire for more.

Considering Martial Magic floated the idea that Necroknight was the necromancy equivalent of the cresting that Shujaa get I'm kind of surprised to hear that you don't actually have active plans for the other schools of magic.

But some things just seem to scream for more options, in my experience.

I like necroknight, I wouldn't say no to more necroknight material, but it didn't make me go "Oh! Oh! Oh! You could do this with it or this or this or this" like say the Godhand.

Although since there's already a pseudo-ghost archetype I could see a bunch of archetypes for other undead types, a deadly gaze pseudo Bodak for example seems like a fun idea...

But to make this more appropriate for this book, why I was just thinking of a few more Godhand options the other day like a Stray Spell Godhand who goes even more Mega Man, consuming spells/magic items to change their godhand, or an Arma "Living Weapon" archetype.


It sold well enough that making an expansion seemed feasible, so if more support shows up I imagine it would depend on how well the expansion sells, or until they're sick of it over at LRGG.

Whichever comes first. :)


GM Rednal wrote:
Hooray! I'm looking forward to seeing the updated version. ^^ This is a funny class - so easy to make jokes with - so it has a special little place in my heart. XD

The dragonhand archetype we've got to look forward to really reminds me of Megaman Starforce.

So now I'm wondering how many people made Godhands who are androids with blue armor.

Because thinking about it, an arm that changes configuration for different powers, that's totally megaman.

Probably too late to suggest an archetype that consumes the souls of dead opponents to replace morphologies with their abilities...


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Rysky wrote:
Interesting, thankies!

LRGG did an sufficient explanation of the two classes I thought I'd pipe in and mention that the school chosen will really change how the Swordsman plays.

A fencer style Swordsman with la Reine is going to play differently than an iaijutsu master of Saint Style.

Who will play differently than a battlefield control expert of the Doppelsoldner association.

Who is going to play differently than a swordsman who just grabs whatever sword like object is around to use Drunkard style, etc.

Schools basically play out as the class paths of the Swordsman, even though they are shared among multiple classes, although naturally some schools are more synergistic with certain classes.

Thought I'd mention it in case you weren't sufficiently pumped about the book. :)


That's how I figured you meant things to go. Thanks.

It certainly would be easier if the vital strike feats were written with "When you use vital strike, you now do this much damage."

Instead things like the vital punishment vigilante talent and the devastating strike feat descriptions spending words to specifically mention that they work with greater and improved vital strike.

Unfortunate clunkiness.


Kudos for another fine product as usual.

The two standouts for me would be an archer with hunting lodge style or weapon master with drunkard style.

One makes your character a walking machine gun, and the other allows you to Jackie Chan it up with a +5 chair or ale mug or fork.....

I do have a rules question though- Saint Style revolves around using vital strike, but no mention of the later improvements on that feat got mentioned that I saw.

Was Saint Style intended to only be usable with vital strike and not its improvements?

Rules as written it would seem to be a no, since the feats improved and greater vital strike don't have language such as "when using vital strike you now do so and so damage."

But it seems odd to me to build a style around vital strike and ignore the later feats, so I'm really wondering if that was rules as intended.


Kcinlive wrote:
I'm pro anything/everything Akashic. You write it. I'll buy it. Within reason anyway. Ok, maybe a little outside of reason as well.

That being the case, I thought someone should point out that there's an akashic class in The Book of Many Things Campaign Exclusive Content.

The Crux, a duel wielding master of the yin-yang bomb.

Class feature oriented instead of veil oriented like the Zodiac.

For anyone who likes the idea of smacking people with fire and cold, or chaos and order, positive and negative energy, etc.

I wanted to get that book anyway, but I know an added akashic class increased my interest.


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Well I bought this with my birthday money, and since this has had no discussion I thought I'd share a review for anyone interested.

This is an unusual class concept wise. Feral living vampires basically.

Mechanically, it's a front line warrior with d8s and mid attack bonus who makes up for their lack of top tier full attack bonus with class features.

But the class features are a doozy. They get a touch attack to do attribute score damage and give themselves an equal enhancement bonus to the attribute in question.

So if you've ever wanted a character who could run around with attributes in the high twenties, you should definitely consider this class.

They store these enhancement bonuses indefinitely in "motes," gem like growths.

But bandyborn can also flare their motes, to gain a benefit til the end of their turn.

The default result is that their enhancement bonus doubles, but they have class features that give them other options. A clever way to avoid MAD for an attribute dependent class, I feel.

I figure when dealing with a high stat, the enhancement would be useful enough on its own, but with whatever stats aren't so great the other options are going to seem more attractive. Well except for Constitution, the healing option will be quite useful, hit points from temporary enhancement aren't treated as temporary hit points after all. So either that or be real friendly with the cleric.

For those who prefer a more spellcaster approach, there is the bandy priest, who flares motes to cast druid spells, and can make "spirit motes" by inflicting a negative level which give them some spell-like abilities and can be flared to gain spell resistance.

I do have to wonder about the wording of sap. It says that "sapping a creature more than once" doesn't do more ability score damage, but I have to wonder if the intent was that you couldn't drain a target of the same attribute instead of giving the character blanket immunity until they heal the damage. That would give a bandbyborn very little to do if the DM throws one tough foe rather than many weaker foes.

And as a good concept sometimes does, I can see a campaign being inspired to expand beyond what we've been given here.


Rick Kunz wrote:
On sale for 60% off through November 30th, 2018!

Well that certainly got my attention.

Anyone who has this willing to give a quick review?


And it gave the Soulknife some love, which I was quite happy to see.

Both for its own sake, and I've been looking forward to SoP expanding the love to the other classes.


Dragon78 wrote:

I hope the new capstone powers do not need archetypes.

I'd doubt it, it says 'new class options and capstones," if the capstones were part of archetypes it would be redundant to give capstones it's own mention.

So I think you can look forward to new capstones whether your character uses an archetype or not.


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Well congratulations, Starfinder isn't even my thing but this is a book you made me want, so another entry in my wishlist.

But it's always been ideas that attract me to pathfinder books, anyway.


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Rysky wrote:
Upon rereading I am cautious with "forbidden from living in urban environments or partaking in technological wonders.", that might deter it from certain campaigns.

Yes, I noticed that myself.

Also makes a couple of races odd choices for a Warden.

Androids are technological wonders all by themselves. :)

And Gargoyles, the folks who hang around pretending to be stone statues in cities.

If nothing else, I could certainly see an urban warden archetype started by gargoyles and androids who developed techniques based on their spiritual connection to technology and cities.


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Review up.

If anyone has any question my review didn't cover, feel free to ask.


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As is normal for the LRGG alternate path books, this has some interesting class concepts in it.

Thanks to the preview I already know about the Beasts. Heck, I've already thought up two more possible expansions- A psionic equivalent, someone implanted with crystals to absorb psychic powers, and a blue mage trick of copying powers you see used.

But would anyone be kind enough to give a rundown of the Sagebeasts?

Not that they are the only other class that interests me, but that is the one that I really don't want to wait until I become unbroke enough to buy this to learn more about.


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Well can't blame you, just looking at the names of the optional rules- universal spell combat, spellblade, magic knight, battle mages, cosmic magic, any of those, going by the names, could have been about magic enhanced combat along the lines of SoM, PoW, or Necromancer's Book of Martial Action 1&2's improved combat options.


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Brother Fen wrote:
Cool. Looks like another alternative to Path of War and Spheres of Might/Power.

I wouldn't say that.

While I'm sadly too too broke to buy this magnificent product right now, I did check out the preview on rpgnow which includes the optional rules.

Path of war and spheres of might are about enhancing the abilities of warriors, this book's alternate rules are about enhancing the martial power of spellcasters, which is a bit different.

That said, the optional rule "metamagic weapons" could be used to allow warriors to have essentially metaweapon feats, it's not like most metamagic feats have prerequisites non spellcasters can't meet in pathfinder.

So a fighter with bouncing arrows, monks beating up ghosts with ectoplasmic fist strikes, archers firing seeking arrows, etc.

While that sounds fun and gives warriors some help, I wouldn't call it a rival to SoM or PoW without adding a whole lot of metamagic feats.

Unless you mean a replacement as in adding more fighty classes with exotic abilities, which if Beasts are any indication this book does have covered.

Love Beasts by the way, I read about them and I just couldn't help but see lots of ways to expand it- Beasts who gain their powers by sorcerer like heritage, android Beasts whose powers are technomagical tinkering, alchemical beasts, racial paths/archetypes for Beasts who draw upon their kitsune/dhampir/skinwalker/elemental heritage, etc.


VM mercenario wrote:


Wait, with kickstarter going on, should I even request more? Kinda cheating the people who are paying for custom stuff. I had a few more ideas to request but I guess I'll hold on to them for after the kicksarter/for volume 3.

Well I don't work for Samurai Sheepdog or even play one on tv, but I imagine worse comes to worse they won't use your requests, so I'd say go for it. If you have a suggestion that makes them go "Oh, I've got to do that!" that's a good thing. :)

I know for example that I'd be even more excited if they included an archetype for the battle augur that turns it into a full on Megaman the pathfinder class.


Yes, End, that was quite useful.

Although I'm a tad surprised that my descriptions of "kyton junior or mini-balor" apparently gave you the impression I thought a savage species-esque recreation might be on the table.

A class that has kyton like tricks up its sleeves is a niche I've been looking forward to a publisher filling for a while now, so now I know the proper level of anticipation I should be feeling. :)


Okay, I'll be honest, I already know I want this book, I'm just waiting until I'm not so broke to get it.

But I do have a question, End's review did reveal that the paragon class has multiple options, and specific ancestry unlocks some of them earlier, but it doesn't reveal how much like their ancestors the paragon nephilim can be.

If someone say wanted to be Kyton junior, or a mini-Balor, is that something a nephilim can do a little, some, or a whole lot?


Just have to say kudos here.

A hybrid monster class is an idea that has me going "Why didn't anyone come up with that before?" being both original and seemingly obvious in hindsight.

And has me wondering what other monsters could make interesting hybrid classes for sequels.


I've been on a rune magic kick lately, anyone out there willing to give a rundown on that aspect of this book for me?


GarnathFrostmantle wrote:
I don't care for the sphere's system or Path of War, and run a limited book setting, so this fits in really well.

Okay, thank you.

Would it be too much to ask what you like better here? Easier to integrate, simpler, less over the top, cooler options, what?

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