kitsune fox shape and weapon usage

with the change to core races coming up soon I've decided to create a kitsune (probably hunter Hooray ACG) and take the fox shape when it becomes available to me (lvl 5 grrr different thread to make). I plan on having my character wield a great-sword before changing shape, so my question is could I have the have my character wield the great-sword as a fox at a -4 size penalty.

before someone says no you don't have any hands I was thinking of having the character wield it like Sif out of dark souls. I have a couple reasons for this 1 it would be awesome from a role-play point of view, 2 it would give four times the damage of bite, and 3 it could solve the fox reach issue because the sword is 5 feet long. but mainly it would be awesome.

second question would the fox be able to ride a roc animal companion assuming I made my ride check.

Would you be able to ride a Roc? I certainly don't see why not.

As for wielding the sword though? I don't think so. Mouths aren't for wielding weapons. Hands are, which as a fox you don't have. As a fox you won't be able to use any kind of manufactured weapons: only your natural bite and whatever other natural attacks you gain by feats. While I agree that it would be awesome, you simply can't do it.

The closest thing I found that will let you do it is a Synthesist and take the Limbs evolution and flavor it as in your mouth (so the hands are inside of the mouth which is what is holding the sword. Not the mouth itself). Definitely subject to GM allowance though. However, Synthesist is banned from PFS so it would have to be a home game.

Except, as you said, you don't have hands. You cannot wield a weapon in a bite or your mouth as cool as it may or may not be.

It sounds like this is a PFS game, so I would say no dice. As a GM I would totally allow some Koromaru action with a dagger, though.

Unless there's something new in the ACG (which I'm about to buy) kitsune in their fox form -do- have hands.

"Kitsune possess two forms: that of an attractive human of slender build with salient eyes, and their true form of an anthropomorphic fox."

Low on strength and size, so I wouldn't pick a greatsword though. Besides a katana or naginata fits their style more.

OK, I didn't see the reference to "change in core races coming up soon". Are there rumors about a change to the kitsune? When is this change happening?

OK, I didn't see the reference to "change in core races coming up soon". Are there rumors about a change to the kitsune? When is this change happening?

For Pathfinder Society play, the Kitsune has until today been a race your could not play without special permission, called a 'boon'. Today the Kitsune has become a race you can play without special permission, so anyone can make one, which has many people creating new PFS Kitsune characters. That is 'change to the core races', meaning the player races for PFS.

I thought that I probably couldn't do it, but seeing no rule that directly stated no I thought I'd ask and see. thank you everyone for the feedback.

OK, then I stand by my original answer that they DO have hands in their "true form". Also, while this isn't RAW, the illustration in the ARG shows a kitsune wearing clothes and weapons.

okay daimaru I appear to have confused you when I said fox shape I meant the tiny fox that a kitsune could become after taking the fox shape feat. my apologies for the confusion.

OK, then I stand by my original answer that they DO have hands in their "true form". Also, while this isn't RAW, the illustration in the ARG shows a kitsune wearing clothes and weapons.

Remember that the "true" form of a kitsune is not a fox, but an anthropomorphic biped with a fox head. From the neck down, they're pretty much humanoid save for the fox tail.

okay daimaru I appear to have confused you when I said fox shape I meant the tiny fox that a kitsune could become after taking the fox shape feat. my apologies for the confusion.

OK. Sorry about that.