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In case anyone missed it, stretch goal #5 has been announced as well: $200,000 gets another dungeon level designed by Ed Greenwood! The more backers the project gets, the bigger the dungeon, and the more impressive the cast of authors...and the better the in-game Pathfinder Society rewards for playing through the adventure content.
I suppose I could break the kickstarter down to get what I am trying to say across but this post would be super long and can be summed up as below.
Initial Goal to fund the demo: $50,000, which was reached in no time at all and stretch goals were not attributed to what will be done to make the demo better but on mainly the PDF/Print portion of the swag for pledges.
Normally anything above the initial goal goes into the project itself, not the bonuses as those should be covered by a portion of the pledge from each person. Funding over $50,000 is most likely going to additional assets for the demo, which makes sense. Either that or Paizo/GW leadership is addicted to Herbfarm and have to have daily business meetings there (I kid, or do I?).
Additional funds beyond each pledge should not be required for a book print run, especially when the printing is done in China and probably through the same company that has been used in the past. As we have no way to know what company is used, we are unable to actually see what the costs really are. There is a reason most companies use China though, prices are relatively dirt cheap if you look into it. If we take the total of all backers who receive a print copy, 1340 so far, one could probably find a Chinese print company that would print up double/quad that number (3k/6k) for well under $50 per copy. I doubt that it even costs a fraction of $150,000/$300,000 to print/ship/process/ship again 3-6k copies of even a 64(96) page softcover book.
I guess I can put it another way now with this latest last ditch effort Greenwood goal. If you want to produce awesome PFRPG products, kickstart for that reason...not as a pledge bonus for a computer game demo. For me it seems like it is starting to just become a money grab to offset costs beyond what the initial project is about, a demo and not a final product.
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In case anyone missed it, stretch goal #5 has been announced as well: $200,000 gets another dungeon level designed by Ed Greenwood! The more backers the project gets, the bigger the dungeon, and the more impressive the cast of authors...and the better the in-game Pathfinder Society rewards for playing through the adventure content.
Oh come on! I've got a kid in college...
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Funding over $50,000 is most likely going to additional assets for the demo, which makes sense.
Yes, it does.
I doubt that it even costs a fraction of $150,000/$300,000 to print/ship/process/ship again 3-6k copies of even a 64(96) page softcover book.
If the additional money raised by your stretch goal managed only to cover the costs of the rewards for achieving that goal, you are doing your Kickstarter very, very wrong.
If you want to produce awesome PFRPG products, kickstart for that reason...not as a pledge bonus for a computer game demo. For me it seems like it is starting to just become a money grab to offset costs beyond what the initial project is about, a demo and not a final product.
Keep in mind that the Tech Demo is not something that everyone will be able to play, and we aren't going to promise anything attached to the finished game (which may not ever get the funding it needs to exist), but we still have to offer *something* as a reward.
We didn't just hire Rich Baker to design Thornkeep for this book—we hired him to design it for the MMO. Offering a Pathfinder RPG-compatible version of that work as a reward therefore makes plenty of sense to us.
Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West
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Also hilarious, I'm almost 30 and my mother from across the state offered to pledge. If she can do it, so can anyone!
Some of us here are older than your mother, grasshopper :-)
I've been a backer since before the project reached the funding goal.
This would suit me best too, to be frank. However, one would have to think there are at least some backers who dont play the PnP game and who are only interested in the computer game.I'm willing to bet even money that, while not every tabletop RPG player supports the Pathfinder MMO; at this stage everyone who supports the MMO is a also a Pathfinder RPG player.
I wouldnt know, of course, but my instinct would be otherwise. Surely there are some MMO freaks (no offense intended) who trawl the internet looking for projects just like this one to get in early?
I am one of those whose instinct is to be a Golarion completist but this kind of manipulation of those sentiments sticks in the craw.
I'm one of these people too. I dont see why it's manipulation though. If they decided to create only MMO-demo related perks, wouldnt I just miss out? (After all, this book isnt being produced by resources which would otherwise be producing other PF products). Suddenly there'd be one less Golarion sourcebook I can buy.
.This way I get more Golarion product (yay!) and Goblinworks get to move on to the next step in their plan. I dont see any obligation on a company to use the profit from their products in 'customer-sanctioned' ways.
I think your concern about diversion of resources is reasonable - however Paizo have consistently said that their involvement in PFO won't impact on the PF line. Given their history of openness and trustworthiness, it's hard to think of a company which has demonstrated more reason to believe them about such things than Paizo.
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I am in for $50 -- but i will double it -- if i can convince ten new kickstarters to put in $15 each. Post below with challenge accepted!
Well, here's another one for the record. Challenge accepted. I just threw in my $100, too.
For me, it had a lot to do with finding out that Erik Mona will be signing the book when it's published, too. I'm really looking forward to that. And, hey, I could always use a new t-shirt, too.And the Greenwood level didn't hurt, either. (But I don't know if we'll make that stretch goal.)
I wish they gave it more time to get to the $20k mark. Ed Greenwood is a big mover for money, but there's been barely any time to get the word out. Or let my next paycheck come in
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Suz ... I agree entirely. 72 hours isn't enough to do Greenwood justice. If they had done it early enough, it would've been a huge draw, especially if they added in his signature with the other authors, perhaps at a $150 perk level.
We may not get there, but here's to striving for it, and hoping we get there! The support has been astounding thus far!
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Challenge Completed!
Thanks to : e_d-1, Goatlord (Marcus), Dream Demon and W.Kristoph Nolen for helping finish it off, and the previously (in thread) helpers as well!
If you love the foundation and fabric of the game, as indicated from the blog posts, or just want the awesome Pathfinder Book --- join the kickstarter now!!!
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<sigh>This boondoggle is almost enough to make me cancel my subscriptions. Hasn't anybody else done their due diligence on "Steve Jobs" Dancey from his days at Eve Online?</sigh>
Although this Kickstarter has muddled the waters a bit; the RPG and MMO game are seperate entities. I certainly wouldn't cease purchasing product for a game that I enjoy playing simply because the MMO exists.
As for the baggage Ryan Dancey carries with him...the information is out there should folks wish to learn more about it and make their own informed decisions about whether or not to hitch their wagons to his star. As far as I'm concerned my $50 is a safe investment considering I'll be getting a decent sourcebook in print and in PDF regardless of whether or not the MMO game sees the light of day.
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Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West
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And yes, I know full well Ryan Dancey's experience and credentials. I apparently have a very different viewpoint regarding them than some people do.
I'm not backing this project because I'm a fan of Ryan Dancey (I know very little about him beyond what I can find on the 'net). I'm backing it because of the other names involved. I'm sure Lisa and the rest of the Paizo folks are much better qualified to decide whether Ryan Dancey is a suitable partner than am I.
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Let's not accuse other posters of being sock puppets, please. Just because someone is new to the paizo.com community and has a specific interest in Pathfinder Online doesn't make them any less valuable a member of the community than anyone else. Until Goblinworks has their own messageboards and no longer needs to use paizo.com for discussion of their game, I think there will be a lot of folks who are here simply for that and not for the Pathfinder RPG or other elements that might draw a majority of our posters to the site.
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Let's not accuse other posters of being sock puppets, please. Just because someone is new to the paizo.com community and has a specific interest in Pathfinder Online doesn't make them any less valuable a member of the community than anyone else. Until Goblinworks has their own messageboards and no longer needs to use paizo.com for discussion of their game, I think there will be a lot of folks who are here simply for that and not for the Pathfinder RPG or other elements that might draw a majority of our posters to the site.
Sincere apologies -- I have deleted the potentially offending post.
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Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West
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Just a general question; I've been hoping to hear something on it, but, there's not been much said:
... is there any chance that the tshirt for $100 and above will be allowed as a PFS shirt that can grant a reroll?
I asked that quite some time ago (before the project met the original funding goal). But, as you observe, there has been nothing forthcoming.
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Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West
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A decision hasn't been made on the shirt's reroll status. Heck, I don't even think Crystal's done with the design for it. But once we've seen it and determined if it's appropriate to play that role in the Pathfinder Society campaign, we'll let folks know.
Thanks, Mark. Can't ask for more than that.
(Well, we can. But that wouldn't be reasonable).
Pledged my $50.
Wow..198k plus!
Looks like we're getting an Ed Greenwood level ya'll.
Oh, yes!
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Director of Brand Strategy
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In case anyone missed it, it looks like the $225,000 stretch goal is going to get smoked in the next few hours, meaning the $250,000 stretch has already been announced:
All $100 backers and higher will not only get the existing prizes, but also two double-sided flip-mats featuring the five dungeon levels contained in the book (crafted by Rich Baker, Jason Bulmahn, Ed Greenwood, James Jacobs, and Erik Mona)!
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Well, the flip-mats just did it for me. I'm in for $100 now. How many pages are you expecting the book to be with all the additions?
I did notice that the $100 reward is limited, and going fast. I could see that this may limit the drive to $250,000 for those who want flip-mats since the next reward level is a big jump.
