The Pathfinder goblins are a hit, I've heard good things about the kobolds in Crown, and the ogres look promising. Are there any plans to work the same magic on revitalizing the PC races?
There was a lot of discussion here before Pathfinder was released about different ways different posters would spark up the way people looked at elves or dwarves, but all I'm seeing in the end product is "dwarves live here; elves have this haunted city; half-orcs are...umm..."
Any plans to make the players as excited about playing their halflings as DMs are about playing the goblins?
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Are there any plans to work the same magic on revitalizing the PC races?
While there may be no product yet showcasing Golarion Halflings, you can find hints here and there which already created (at least for me) some interest in some of the classes.
- Dwarves: There is the dwarven god Droskar (in D0) and I assume that a dwarven community under his influence is quite another thing than Mithral Hall.
- Gnomes are somehow connected to Fey
- Half-orcs are breeded by the Orcs from Belkzen using enslaved humans
- Elves : not known much but I do like the concept of Celwynvian and the dark secret within Mierani Forest
- Halflings and Half-Elves: no idea so far but Tsuto Kaijitsu in Pathfinder 1 is a good example for the description of an half-elf's destiny in Varisia. I'd say cliché, but this one I like very much.
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Hm, I seem to remember James Jacobs to say that there would be subcultures (as in Chelaxian, Shoanti, Varisian) rather than subraces (as in the Realms). So no Gold Dwarves *sigh*
Nah, in fact I'm quite happy with it. I really like how Elves are handled in Eberron (Valenar and Aerenal Elves, even Drow are quite different) so I'd actually appreciate if something siimilar could be done to Golarion. I don't mind subraces but to define diferences by culture makes so much more interesting role-playing (imho).
While there may be no product yet showcasing Golarion Halflings, you can find hints here and there which already created (at least for me) some interest in some of the classes.
Actually, Crown (D1) on p15 has Edgrin and p19 has Vamros (both halflings).
I think the RotRL Player's Guide mentions halflings are kept as household slaves by Chelaxians. A PC halfling in Sandpoint might be an escaped slave from Korvosa. As far as what halfling culture looks like when not beneath the boots of devil-worshippers, I couldn't say.
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Some of this material will begin to come to light in January's Pathfinder Chronicles Gazetteer, and it's likely we'll do a PC-race-focused book if Classic Monsters Revisited sells well.
I'm sure if you guys can come up with some kind of Pathfinder deluxe subscription to get us the extra Pathfinder books, it'll sell like hot cakes. :)
Some of this material will begin to come to light in January's Pathfinder Chronicles Gazetteer, and it's likely we'll do a PC-race-focused book if Classic Monsters Revisited sells well.
--Erik
I already planned on buying it...now you're saying if I do you might do a similar book on PC races?
Talk about win-win here.
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Actually, Crown (D1) on p15 has Edgrin and p19 has Vamros (both halflings).
Yeah, you're right, but apart from Falcon's Hollow not being a Varisian town there's not much info that sets halflings apart from other races. Actually it's quite the contrary; I wouldn't expect a halfling to be a magistrate in a community of chelaxian origin (in fact i assume that even in a colony founded by Magnimar this would be quite an exception).
Some of this material will begin to come to light in January's Pathfinder Chronicles Gazetteer, and it's likely we'll do a PC-race-focused book if Classic Monsters Revisited sells well.
Erik, you know how to make my purse curse. And to make me happy :)
Some of this material will begin to come to light in January's Pathfinder Chronicles Gazetteer, and it's likely we'll do a PC-race-focused book if Classic Monsters Revisited sells well.
--Erik
Wahooo!
Wahooo!Some of this material will begin to come to light in January's Pathfinder Chronicles Gazetteer, and it's likely we'll do a PC-race-focused book if Classic Monsters Revisited sells well.
--Erik
Double Wahoo!
The reimagning of the races was alway one of the major things that I enjoyed about settings like Dark Sun. I can't wait to see what Paizo comes up with.
The reimagning of the races was alway one of the major things that I enjoyed about settings like Dark Sun. I can't wait to see what Paizo comes up with.
See, I'm not actually looking for a reimagining of the PC races but a more subtle treatment that takes what's already there and makes it more interesting.
I'd missed the dark god of the dwarves business in Crown of the Kobold King, but that sounds along the lines of what I'm hoping for. It didn't make the dwarves cannibals or steam engineers, but instead gave a new take on their famed craftsmanship.
More of that, please.
See, I'm not actually looking for a reimagining of the PC races but a more subtle treatment that takes what's already there and makes it more interesting.I'd missed the dark god of the dwarves business in Crown of the Kobold King, but that sounds along the lines of what I'm hoping for.
I agree. For a setting such as Golarion, I think that taking the playable races as far afield as TSR did with Dark Sun would make them laughable caricatures rather than interesting player choices. And the example you sighted is one that I think is a great change.
Or taking everyone's favorite new goblins for instance...
In traditional D&D, goblins are pretty much cultureless. They exist as a set of numbers who do bad things so PC's can fight them. By writing that simple list of ten traits for the Pathfinder goblins, the crew at Paizo turned them into an interesting and terrifying challenge. I want more of that applied to the PC races.
It didn't make the dwarves cannibals or steam engineers, but instead gave a new take on their famed craftsmanship.
Just a quick thread derailment, but I think that Dark Sun did just what you are describing. The creators took some of the core aspects of the races, such as the dwarven tenacity and love of toil, and twisted them to fit the setting. Freedom loving elves become chaotic, nomadic tribes of rogues and laughable halflings living a simple life become deadly forest dwelling ecoterrorists. Sure, the cannibalisim angle can go a bit far for everyone, but that is easily dropped.
Anyways, enough Dark Sun talk. It sounds like we're both looking forward to the same thing. And Paizo has graciously agreed to provide it.
By the way, Fletch might be one of the ten coolest names on these boards. :D