Time Bandits

Game Master Monkeygod

Disturb not the harmony of fire, ice, and lightning...

Nephre has a desert theme, so she's got a bit of fire, but mostly in her personality.

Lehkazeran is acid, to round it out.

Voice, did you want the official 10 minute background, which I did not realize was a thing, or is my current background sufficient?

I'm going for a bit of a Paper theme. Like in Read or Die. Basically all of my weapons are made out of paper. Even my temp hp is represented as pages floating around me that burn when the temp hp is expended. I guess you could say that I'm also similar to Konan, from Naruto. Though I like Read or Die better.

Eh, fire is a side effect of my bombs, but even that gets turned off sometimes.

A few more answers:

1) With the increase to +4 skills per level, plus the bonus skills a Legendary Fighter may add as class skills, I'm going to say no free 'skill bonus' archetype.

The whole point was to address the fact that fighters not only lack a lot in the way of both skills per level but also just a small, not that great selection of skills.

As the Legendary Fighter fixes both of those issues, no need to give them a free skill bonus archetype.

That said, they still get an increase to their skills, going up to 6 per level.

2) Soulknife, Aegis, Blackblade Magus, etc, can all make use of ABP as normal choosing their weapon/armor to gain the benefits.

Keep in mind, you can still only get +5 to hit/dmg, and then you gotta take special abilities.

3) Max Dex does not reduce/affect CMD. I actually had no idea what the answer was for this, so I asked on the PFSRD FB group, and this was the general consensus.

4) Kaouse, I've found a few 'paper mage' classes/archetypes, if you're interested.

5) Yes, please give me a 10-minute background, as that gives me some nice stuff to work with storytelling wise.

And here I was thinking about my Sorcerer/Incanter, and suddenly remembered a home rule abot not using more than one full caster class...

So, Incanter has to go away, but the extra feats provided were much needed. Do you guys know of a class that would also squeeze in some extra feats (much needed for the huge s+~&load of Metamagics a Sorcerer has to employ if he wants to blast).

@MG: thanks for answer! I kind of expected that. No problem and I’ll drop out the extra archetype.

Edit: Valanaestra, take a look at canny tumble. It’s somethimg you are already setup to do, and while it requires movement to setup it will help with your to-hit.

Uhm, hum... Also, are the different Godling classes allowed?

Cool feat! Just need top give up one of the three fleets, but that puts my movement at an even 100, and that's fine with me lol.

Cool feat! Just need top give up one of the three fleets, but that puts my movement at an even 100, and that's fine with me lol.

If you don’t already have a competence bonus to speed, you could look at using the two feats for Fleet to get two combat talents from spheres of might. Specifically, the Athletics sphere (run) and swift movement. It gives a scaling bonus to speed that will be better than two Fleets.

Never used Spheres of Might before, to the talents replace the feats?

Never used Spheres of Might before, to the talents replace the feats?

It depends on how deep you want to dip. You can buy talents with feats 1:1, or trade a set of feats for a greater number of talents. It’s difficult to work the progression into an existing build, though, so I only recommended the two feats “Extra Combat Talent” it would take to get a better speed bonus.

Edit: since you are unfamiliar with SoM, taking two feats from Fleet x2 to Extra Combat Talent x2 for Athletics: Run and Swift Movement would give you: 10 ranks in acrobatics, a 20’ competence bonus to speed that will eventually reach 30 if you put ranks in acrobatics, and the equivalent of the Run feat.

@Voice: You stated earlier upthread that we can ignore racial pre-requisites for feats and traits... does that also apply to racial archetypes? I would like to take the Pattern Wielder Cryptic Archetype, which is Elan-only. Can I ignore that restriction, or spend some amount of racial points in the race builder to also count as Elan?

@Voice: You stated earlier upthread that we can ignore racial pre-requisites for feats and traits... does that also apply to racial archetypes? I would like to take the Pattern Wielder Cryptic Archetype, which is Elan-only. Can I ignore that restriction, or spend some amount of racial points in the race builder to also count as Elan?

Wow, did he say that?

Let's try to get some answers:

1) The two non humanoid races from Co7S aren't allowed. Don't ask me why, but I really want to keep the party humanoid. I realize it probably makes no sense, but it's just this image I have in my head.

That said, for 1 RP, you can give them a human form.

2) As much I thematically love Trinity Knight, it's too complicated for tristalt. Sorry!

3) ...

17) Again, don't worry about racial restrictions on traits/feats, assuming you meet other prerequisites. Same as before, double check with me, just in case.

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Yep. May 10, 6:14 pm.

Edit: I think I have a way to make it work with Race Builder and some of the alternate traits... if I take an alternate trait that leaves the Elan with a “small portion of their original race” (strong blooded), can I take that races FCB in place of the normal Elan one? I do not want to give up the 1/6 of a new cryptic insight FCB.

@Voice
Are the intro dungeons/adventures still going to happen?

For those you who were interested in co-GMing with me, message me on discord at UncleMonkey#9791. I'll set up a channel in my server so we can easily discuss things in real time.

Ach, a pity the chance to get some answers was wasted.

While the GM thinks of it or catches some sleep or whatever, and given his usual policy of laissez-faire, I'm going to assume that:

-Yes, we can get FCB bonuses from other races, or at least similar races.
-Yes, the Godling classes are allowed, since they appear on the d20srd page.

i can't remember any other questions so far, since they probably were about matters not concerning to me, but well. I'll resume building around those assumptions, and will change whatever needed if a negative answer on any matter is received.

FCB bonuses can indeed come from other races for your custom creations *only* but try to be reasonable about the ones your choosing.

Godlings are also allowed, as they are are on PFSRD, and I own the books for them.

Pattern Wielder is fine for any race, as there's no specific to being an Elan in the class features.

Also, I was intending to get up the opening post in gameplay tonight(Already got part of it written up) but I needed some info from he who wrote City of 7 Seraphs, and he got back to me kinda late, and now it's 4am.

However, look for the first post tomorrow, if all goes according to plan!

Yeah, well, actually:

I wasn't going to pick FCB from other races with my actual FCBs, BUT, the Godling classes have a feature where you can pick extra FCBs from any class, so I thought... well, why not from other race?

I'm almost done. Will finish today. I could probably help GM but I can't use discord at work. I do all my PBP from work M-F 7:30am to 4pm I post multiple times a day but nights and weekends are for wife and other activities not that I don't hop on and post if I can. It's just not as frequent.

PM me if you want/need help and what I can do.

Animoira Valanaestra wrote:

Never used Spheres of Might before, to the talents replace the feats?

It depends on how deep you want to dip. You can buy talents with feats 1:1, or trade a set of feats for a greater number of talents. It’s difficult to work the progression into an existing build, though, so I only recommended the two feats “Extra Combat Talent” it would take to get a better speed bonus.

Edit: since you are unfamiliar with SoM, taking two feats from Fleet x2 to Extra Combat Talent x2 for Athletics: Run and Swift Movement would give you: 10 ranks in acrobatics, a 20’ competence bonus to speed that will eventually reach 30 if you put ranks in acrobatics, and the equivalent of the Run feat.

Wait, taking those talents gives me a 20ft boost in speed and 10 free ranks in acrobatics? Done and done, will update (and clean up my crunch to be normal presentable) tonight

TA DA!!

TA DA!!

The PCs are all bad guys, who are being 'forced' into missions that they might not come back from. Ala the Suicide Squad.

not to be picky, but I don't see the 'force' in your opening post :)

Voice of Awesomeness wrote:

The PCs are all bad guys, who are being 'forced' into missions that they might not come back from. Ala the Suicide Squad.

not to be picky, but I don't see the 'force' in your opening post :)

Not to be even pickier, but I did say that post isn't the official start of the game, which will come on I believe the 17th or so?

Maybe that's where the 'forcing' comes into play?

So who gets to post, anyone with a background and an alias? Or was the recruitment for that separate?

So who gets to post, anyone with a background and an alias? Or was the recruitment for that separate?

Anyone with a mostly complete background.

Yep, my post will be going up this evening. And hopefully I'll be moving my background and most of my crunch into the alias as well so others can take a look.

Nice to know that ABP works the way I thought it did. Looks like I don't have to make any changes to my character sheet. I can't wait for the chance to play him.

Hopefully I'll be able to figure out how to make an alias in time. First real try incoming, so bear with me.

Yeah I had stuff come up at work and have a site install tomorrow so didn't finish my build and background but it will be done Friday so I posted as it's not the official start. :)

So I don't know if anybody has done this already, so feel free to point me in the right direction if it has happened, but here's a discord server for everybody. RP, obviously, should still be done in here, but for ooc stuff, real-time chatter helps out immensely.

VoA's Tristalt Suicide Squad Discord

Hmm cant join weird.

Hmm cant join weird.

Yeah, same

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Hey Voice, don't think I ever saw a response on my artifact draft. Posted here. Any thoughts?

Another Question:
Regarding the Sanguine Sovereignty's Fame/Prestige Revenant Apotheosis reward that let's you retrain a class level to a vampire class (thusly turning you into a vampire) or the like, would taking the Lord of the Night vampire template (+1 CR) be equivalent to taking a class level?

And another question:
Such a turning would usually remove a creature's racial abilities. Since we've tied up quite a bit of our character's power budget into Race Points, is there a way around this that could let us retrain some/all of these is we were eventually turned?

It's going to look something like this: Sir Morien

The artifact will probably serve to create/control undead...

Tenro, were you able to try the link again? Did you get an error message of any sort?

It's going to look something like this: Sir Morien

The artifact will probably serve to create/control undead...

Whoa. The saves...

Meh, he is a charisma monster.

The Monkey King is dropping out. This is too much for me. I am following the gameplay, but I prefer smaller groups. Maybe when the missions start, I finalize the build. But I wanna see how this works first.

Considering the blue save for a 20th level character is supposed to be a 25, and a 10th is a 17 according the bench pressing doc,

Sir Morien's saves are quite high, and I *assume* much higher than the bulk of the PCs.

Much higher than mine. I’m about +16, and can situationally get another +4-5 depending on the circumstances and save type.

The idea is that he will draw as many attacks as possible – he is meant as a tank of sorts. The saves are merely a byproduct of his high charisma, which could, of course, be reduced...

These builds are very complex and it becomes easy to get lost in the min-max math!

I’ll reduce the character’s charisma substantially. That should do the job...

So... With the lower charisma, his AC and attacks are green. And his damage is yellow to green, I think – to be honest, I am not quite sure how to calculate EDV.

His saves are still insane, but that is to be expected for a high charisma Paladin, isn't it?

Obviously, I still have a fair amount of work to do... These builds are great fun, but they are ridiculously time-consuming!

So... With the lower charisma, his AC and attacks are green. And his damage is yellow to green, I think – to be honest, I am not quite sure how to calculate EDV.

His saves are still insane, but that is to be expected for a high charisma Paladin, isn't it?

Obviously, I still have a fair amount of work to do... These builds are great fun, but they are ridiculously time-consuming!

Are you double adding Cha to them?

To Fortitude on account of being undead. And to Reflexes on account of being an Oracle. In both cases, I think that it's by the book?

Thanks to this FAQ, that's generally not possible. For example, if you get Dex to CMB, and Dex to trip, Dex still only applies once when you try to trip someone even if they're applying differently. The same untyped ability bonus can only apply once to any given roll.

I think the exception to that is only when the ability score is applied as a specific type bonus, like this wording, 'Apply Wis as a sacred bonus to saves' or something.

Paladin's Divine Grace, Oracle's Lore Mystery, and Undead type, all apply charisma untyped, so they wouldn't apply doubly.

(if Voice wants to ignore the FAQ though ... then go for it)