Broken Golarion

Game Master Monkeygod

Can we say in this campaign setting that necromancy isn’t intrinisically evil? That’s it’s just a form of magic commonly used for evil? That would solve 99% of the problem

I think we were saying that, yes.

Sure, but the creation of undead is still 100% intrinsically, so, do with that info as you will.

Just so long as my god directs me to, and him making/controlling undead isn’t “SMITE!” then we should be good to go.

Helping and supporting evil goes against everything that makes a paladin.

While she may adventure with good or neutral allies, a paladin avoids working with evil characters or with anyone who consistently offends her moral code. Under exceptional circumstances, a paladin can ally with evil associates, but only to defeat what she believes to be a greater evil. A paladin should seek an atonement spell periodically during such an unusual alliance, and should end the alliance immediately should she feel it is doing more harm than good. A paladin may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who are lawful good.

I think we're both going to be leaning hard on this bit. What evil could be greater than the Whispering Tyrant and a fully-opened Worldwound? One day, we may no longer be able to justify it, but in the short term, there's bigger fish to fry.

Plus you may find he is a very likable man as he battles the armies of the damned with ones of his own.

Still, the paragraph states he'll need to be cast upon Atonement regularly. Do we have a way to provide him with that?

Still, the paragraph states he'll need to be cast upon Atonement regularly. Do we have a way to provide him with that?

I feel like this will mostly be up to the GMs, as it's not specific enough. Also, I think it will depend largely on Loc's actions.

If the PCs are on a classic 'defeat the bad guys' mission, and Loc doesn't do anything overly evil, and only raises the enemy dead, I see no reason to force the Paladins to seek atonement.

Provided nobody, PC or GM, strongly disagrees, I probably won't demand they need to atone, unless Loc does something either grossly evil, or in direct violation of their god's tenets/code.

Also, Ametist, I can't tell which AP you failed at. Please make sure that's obvious in your background.

Sandpoint is mentioned several times, but I'll put it clearer for easy consulting. It's RotR, sorry.

I was looking over some of the characters here (always fun!) and Karen...

"Normal: +11/6 to hit; 1d8+6 damage; 20/x2 crit
Flurry of Blows: +9/9/4 to hit; 1d8+6 damage; 20/x2 crit"

You seem to have given yourself -2 to hit with flurry of blows. But your character sheet says unchained monk.

Unchained changed flurry of blows to no longer give -2 to hit. "At 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action. When making a flurry of blows, the monk can make one additional attack at his highest base attack bonus."

So by my count, when using flurry of blows, you should be at:

+11/+11/+6

I missed that I had been selected back in February. Is there still an opening?

If so, I will get Fancy & myself properly updated, but it probably won't be complete until this weekend.

Has anyone seen Anafa?

Here!

So, I'm almost done updating...

...and then I started taking a look at Godbound...

So let me give all of you a glimpse into my initial concept for Yamyra.
In the first Campaign, she was an attempt on my part to both add some much needed muscle (via her Eidolon) to the party, and provide some much needed arcane casting & thinkifying.
Clearly, the muscle isn't lacking here & with Loc we seem to have Arcane taken care of as well. So I'm edging towards 'person who knows & cares' as Yamyra's particular niche, which as a side-note is part of why I had her pick up her familiar (not to mention the fact that I just love that the Sage & Figment familiar archetypes stack & the idea that she has an almost literal imaginary friend who helps her remember things & makes smart-arse commentary on everything just tickles me).

Right now, I'm looking at Passion definitely, and either Knowledge or Sorcery. It's just that all three of them seem really powerful.

Yes, I'm asking for opinions/suggestions on where she should go.

Alright, it's official. I have updated to the current whosits. Broken Monkeygod, please audit me, Underskud af fanden givet, and Fancy to be certain we meet requirements.

Either could work. Sorcery for more personsl bang brought, more mystery. Knowledge for less bang, more mystery. Your call. I don't know which I'd choose.

Whichever is the most fun, and is closest to what you want. This is a unique opportunity to use godbound. Make the character you want

*Another challenger has appeared*

Hey everyone, there was a misunderstanding but I'm back from the grave. I'll be your resident druid, try not to wander off the trail if you can help it.

The backstory is a bit of a mess, but allow me to set the record here and state that he died in Serpent's Skull- Words: Might and Endurance- Alignment NE.

Just waiting to be written in.
Also my character is a follower of zon.
Things will be interesting.

Sorry to beat a dead horse. But how will the resident Paladins work with the Zon Kuthon devotee?

I’m cool with Loc. He’s my favorite kind of evil (what I call pragmatic evil, with enough charisma to pull it off). And he’s got the contract which keeps this paladin, not so much happy, but content.

I’m honestly considering having Godwyn walk away to do good elsewhere. Some groups work well with Paladins. This...doesn’t seem to be one of them.

I don’t want to tell Zorakir how to play his character. I am considering making a new one right now, who will work better in this environment.

I have a rationalization for it and a dualistic belief system that works in conjuction with his druidic teachings. I just ask that you hear me out.

More than willing.

That's all I can ask for, shall we roleplay it out? Zorakir isn't the "Murder babies kinda character", more of the tragic character that fell because of a past trauma. He's willing to work with good, considering the fate of the world, any help is good.

Sounds more than fair.

Saves me a lot of work making a new character too ;)

Gotta make good impressions on the first day. :)

Sorry about not posting sooner, I saw the update last night. I had a long day and was too tired after the gym.

Sorry to beat a dead horse. But how will the resident Paladins work with the Zon Kuthon devotee?

I’m cool with Loc. He’s my favorite kind of evil (what I call pragmatic evil, with enough charisma to pull it off). And he’s got the contract which keeps this paladin, not so much happy, but content.

I’m honestly considering having Godwyn walk away to do good elsewhere. Some groups work well with Paladins. This...doesn’t seem to be one of them.

I don’t want to tell Zorakir how to play his character. I am considering making a new one right now, who will work better in this environment.

Also of note, the old crew is Karen, Loc, and Lian. You met the crew before Zorakir shows up. It's not that you're applying to a group with him, he's applying to a group with you.

^^
That's a fair point, but I'd also like to point out that there is a fair bit of metagaming going on and it feels like I'm getting "picked on a little". So I feel like a few things need to get aired out here.

So firstly Godwyn in game doesn't know that my character is evil, he just assumed so because of the way my characters looks. It would turn out that I missed a small prereq on one of my feats so I need to change that. In turn I'm taking a feat that functions like the enlightened warrior trait, allowing myself to be considered neutral evil for class features. So his alignment is really true neutral. This fits with his druidic teachings and his philosophy on dualism. Life and death are an inherent part of nature, nature is red in tooth and claw. Those who have the teeth and claws eat those who don't. I have them, everyone else doesn't. The animals and plants do whatever they need to to get everything for themselves, their family, and their pack. So do I. The world will not be ruled by me, we are nothing but predators, I just admit I am one.

Getting back on track with alignment, all of that is more or less moot because I have the evil subtype, so regardless of my alignment I count as evil for all effects, good or bad. Also I plan on taking some of the damnation feats, this one in particular: Mask of virtue.

As for my worshipping Zon, once again none of you know that and worshippers of Zon don't usually flaunt that unless they're in Nidal. I'm sure it will come up at some point, but I'm going to do my best to roleplay that as a hidden thing, he also worships other deities so he'd most hide behind that. Keep in mind that druids also have secret societies with a secret language and customs.

Finishing up, I just want to play my slightly misanthropic druid that in his own way wants to try and fix this broken world. I have no interesting in Chaotic evil "destruction druid", that wouldn't benefit him if this world and the natural order of things is destroyed and I for sure have no interest in making paladins fall, for the greater good sometime you need to work with people you don't like. My character for one is very very mixed on Necromancy, but I'm not going to build a plant army and clash with Loc in a weird copyrighted plants vs zombies kinda thing.

^^

That's a fair point, but I'd also like to point out that there is a fair bit of metagaming going on and it feels like I'm getting "picked on a little". So I feel like a few things need to get aired out here.

So firstly Godwyn in game doesn't know that my character is evil, he just assumed so because of the way my characters looks.

Paladin Detect evil. Went off character sheet. And from below it seems like he would ping as evil from this ability.

It would turn out that I missed a small prereq on one of my feats so I need to change that. In turn I'm taking a feat that functions like the enlightened warrior trait, allowing myself to be considered neutral evil for class features. So his alignment is really true neutral.

Glad to hear it. :)

This fits with his druidic teachings and his philosophy on dualism. Life and death are an inherent part of nature, nature is red in tooth and claw. Those who have the teeth and claws eat those who don't. I have them, everyone else doesn't. The animals and plants do whatever they need to to get everything for themselves, their family, and their pack. So do I. The world will not be ruled by me, we are nothing but predators, I just admit I am one.

Nothing wrong with that. That’s someone a paladin can certainly work with.

Getting back on track with alignment, all of that is more or less moot because I have the evil subtype, so regardless of my alignment I count as evil for all effects, good or bad. Also I plan on taking some of the damnation feats, this one in particular: Mask of virtue.

Godwyn will regard him as evil IC because he points as evil. But to make it clear, pinging as evil doesn’t mean that he expects you to act evil. It’s more just...a bad first impression. And colors how he sees your actions. Purely an IC reaction.

As for my worshipping Zon, once again none of you know that and worshippers of Zon don't usually flaunt that unless they're in Nidal. I'm sure it will come up at some point, but I'm going to do my best to roleplay that as a hidden thing, he also worships other deities so he'd most hide behind that. Keep in mind that druids also have secret societies with a secret language and customs.

Have no idea IC. Would probably be best to just not tell the Paladins. Which, TBH, is often solid advice.

[quite]Finishing up, I just want to play my slightly misanthropic druid that in his own way wants to try and fix this broken world. I have no interesting in Chaotic evil "destruction druid", that wouldn't benefit him if this world...

Great, thanks for clearing this up. My fear when you first posted was based on your character sheet. “LE, worships god of pain.” That went off warning bells, and to be clear, it was I who was volunteering to rebuild so as to not cause problems.

Now that you explained, I am confident that we can work well in the party together

Ahhh. I love it when a party works things out on their own.

Technically you didn't declare detect evil, you did with Loc in the previous page. that was some time before me but to be honest that's rudendant now.

Just felt the need to address this, I know how touchy people get with paladins. I don't blame them because it's not easy playing one, there is wiggleroom and assumptions about their code as far as I'm concerned but I'm not Dming ;).

From skeletons of Scarwall: "Kuthites run the gamut in their origins and motivations for joining the faith, whether they be evil sadists, demented masochists, or those whose spirits are so wounded that only overwhelming pain distracts them from their sorrows." I still don't think worshipping the god of pain is any worse than necromancy, in general but I also have many laissez faire opinions when it comes to game. We can go into our oh so tragic backstories later on.

You'd be surprised how well things can be worked out by talking. But keep in mind you did try to alter my character by "healing him" which would of effectively forced me to rebuild him from the ground up.

In the mean time, Zorakir is just going to ignore the lot of you, not apathy malice or anything really. He just can't hear you being deaf and all. And if that's not a dog whistle to the dms to do horrible sound based thing that rely on perception to me, I don't know what is.

“You'd be surprised how well things can be worked out by talking. But keep in mind you did try to alter my character by "healing him" which would of effectively forced me to rebuild him from the ground up.“

It was IC for Godwyn to heal him. So I paused, asked permission, and let you stop him. I also didn’t press the issue afterwords. I didn’t want to act out of character by omission, and also didn’t want to change your character.

Sorry if I wasn’t clear. Trying to walk the narrow rope that is LG Crusader Paladin, without stepping on any toes. I’ll try to be clearer in the future, especially as to when Detect evil is used

I know I know, I'm just saying. I'm not anger, not in the slightest. It would be foolish because we're in another game. Which I think I need to update.

Now im just teasing at this point. Just don't betray the law

Now what I would like to see is a hypothetical fight between us. I need to update my sheet a little but I count as a plant and evil for all effects ie: Bane, spells, smite,etc. You can do massive damage to me, but if I take an aoo, I can grapple you and I auto succeed on grapples. It could be fun to see what happens.

In any game I play, whenever I use an ability, I always make sure it's pointed out clearly via text.

If you don't, I will assume you're not using anything.

^^

That's a fair point, but I'd also like to point out that there is a fair bit of metagaming going on and it feels like I'm getting "picked on a little". So I feel like a few things need to get aired out here.

So firstly Godwyn in game doesn't know that my character is evil, he just assumed so because of the way my characters looks. It would turn out that I missed a small prereq on one of my feats so I need to change that. In turn I'm taking a feat that functions like the enlightened warrior trait, allowing myself to be considered neutral evil for class features. So his alignment is really true neutral. This fits with his druidic teachings and his philosophy on dualism. Life and death are an inherent part of nature, nature is red in tooth and claw. Those who have the teeth and claws eat those who don't. I have them, everyone else doesn't. The animals and plants do whatever they need to to get everything for themselves, their family, and their pack. So do I. The world will not be ruled by me, we are nothing but predators, I just admit I am one.

Getting back on track with alignment, all of that is more or less moot because I have the evil subtype, so regardless of my alignment I count as evil for all effects, good or bad. Also I plan on taking some of the damnation feats, this one in particular: Mask of virtue.

As for my worshipping Zon, once again none of you know that and worshippers of Zon don't usually flaunt that unless they're in Nidal. I'm sure it will come up at some point, but I'm going to do my best to roleplay that as a hidden thing, he also worships other deities so he'd most hide behind that. Keep in mind that druids also have secret societies with a secret language and customs.

Finishing up, I just want to play my slightly misanthropic druid that in his own way wants to try and fix this broken world. I have no interesting in Chaotic evil "destruction druid", that wouldn't benefit him if this world...

OOC I'm a bit confused on this point. Aren't a god's worshippers supposed to be within 1 step? NE is, bu N is not. Would a LE god even accept the worship of a True Neutral character? I mean, I guess as a druid you can get your powers from elsewhere, but then why put the emphasis on worshipping a LE god as a True Neutral character?

To be clear, Drystan was half out the door when you woke up, but since he and Godwyn were comrades in life, IC he'll probably key off of Godwyn's reaction when he walks back over.

One step is usually for cleric and oracles. Pretty sure lay worshippers are fine.

F~!*, I hate the hour post edit limit. I really need to review my posts.

So, we do agree that the good are not going to be that good and the bad are not going to be that bad, right?

No, Karen is actually going to be very good. She will help people regardless of cost or consequence, and she will use everything she has in order to do so.

No, Godwyn is going to be a paladin, which is to say, very good. He’s just not going to be lawful stupid.

^^^What they said. I ain't no Gray Paladin.

Lian will, meanwhile, try and smooth feathers between disagreements for the goal of marshaling power, but does recognize there's value in being seen as shining beacons and all that... as well as being seen as those with Bigger Things to deal with.

Ok guys, can you help me out, as I'm having a serious derp moment.

Why did you settle on helping the dwarves? I don't recall saying they were in dire need of assistance, but I could be forgetting something there.

It was my idea...

(1) They do need some help, and at our level their problems are something we can do
(2) Great allies once we win their loyalty
(3) They have proven to be willing to shelter refugees
(4) It’s a fortified staging point for reconquering the world
(5) It is geographically on the way for us

Yeah, what he said. It makes sense to me not to tackle the biggest enemy first, and they're close by.

I have no say in the matter as I'm not with you guys. I would think culling the drow would be a good idea, with the power of light on our side and darkness to boost me, we could push them back underground.

Plus they are well known for braiding their beards. Once they help us with out hair, we will look far too fabulous to lose.

It's on the way to go kill the Tyrant and a great place to set up a base. Plus he will get a chance to collect plenty of bodies to build up a army.

And they have mines and tunnels and caves and gold. Dwarves rock! (Ta-daa)

I just kinda went with the group, but am fine with alternate suggestions- if an NPC suggests "you'd be more help here," Lian would present it to the group.

I was doing a bored audit of my character, and I have a question. Do godbound abilities which set a stat to 19 do that, or do they just add +2?