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Male Human Bard 4

Dunno if this'll work for percentage...

fire: 1d10 + 1d10 ⇒ (4) + (9) = 13

small fire: 1d2 ⇒ 1
large fire: 2d6 ⇒ (6, 6) = 12

edit: nope... the first dice was suppose to be a d10% but it doesn't awknowldge that... so is it 49 percent which is a small fire? Or do you want me to reroll it with a d100 which i just now realized i should have rolled instead?


The inner voice within your ear

I am going to be using 5 goods, 1 influence, and an additional 9 influence (converted into 3 labor) to add a storefront to the library.

In addition to being a place of learning and researching, we will also now offer to make copies of library resources for clients.

It should complete construction on Calistril 12.

Assuming nothing else gets in her way, she will spend one week fulfilling her kingdom duties, two weeks working at her library for gold getting 210gp, and one week getting capital. On the last day of Calistril, she will begin construction on the final book repository for her library, allowing her to cover all knowledge skills in the game.


Small fire and lessons learned


Male Human Bard 4

wooooooooo! Thanks. And the fire doesn't even hurt my goals for construction this month which means it's all on schedule. So this month I"ll be adding:

one lavatory (3 goods, 3 labor) (4 days)
two storage units (3 goods, 3 labor) (8 days) each
one Office (3 goods, 3 labor) (8 days)
one store front (5 goods, 1 influence, 3 labor) (12 days)

to my slightly singed common room. If i can start multiple projects on a single day, everything but the store front will start on the first while the store front starts on the second, otherwise they start in order from longest to shortest I guess.

Also DM, s'alright if I charge people who are still sleeping in tents (as well as any travelers since we lack an inn at the moment) cots in the common room at night in exchange for monetary reward? its how i was planning of explaining gaining money from the common room. I didn't want to just rent it out to gamblers or whatever. Rory wants to help people and this is how he's doing it.


I'll even let you mitigate the unrest from the squatters by 1 if you charge only half. This will also gain you 1d6 influence.


The inner voice within your ear

That's a lot of capital, Rory, which together costs a lot even at earned values. I'm assuming you didn't spend all your starting funds then?

I'm having to earn gold just so I can afford the capital.

Powergaming DM wrote:
I'll even let you mitigate the unrest from the squatters by 1 if you charge only half. This will also gain you 1d6 influence.

There is no unrest once that second set of houses is built.


Well never mind then.


Male Human Bard 4

@ ravingdork - I still had a lot of GP left over after I bought my stuff. I had 700 and really nothing that i figured i should buy it on so i saved it. I already did the deductions for the capital i'm spending now. though I'm pretty much out after all this construction. I only have 4 influence and 3 labor left and i need 12 goods and 14 labor to build the auditorium which would be the last bit I'll need for my theater. However the total cost is 30 goods which is just over what I can spend in a day so even if I spent the first 15 days of the month getting all the capital i need, I have to get the ballroom first which takes 40 days to complete and the another 40 days for the auditorium.


The inner voice within your ear

I've finished declaring and calculating my downtime/kingdom activities for the second month.

It would be great if we could get to a point where we could breeze through a kingdom month each real world day.


Male Human Bard 4

I'll do all my serious calculations tomorrow at work and put them on the calendar (assuming the second month has been added). Question, the storage rooms and storefront add to the check to make gp. So I add them to the checks once they finish construction, right? so i'd switch from making 1.7 gp a day to 2.1 gp once the storage rooms are done and another 2.6 once the storefront's complete. Until the theater's complete Rory's pretty much just trying to help the people however he can, which at the moment means renting out his common room as a makeshift inn. common room is +7, storage are +2 each, and the storefront is +5 in case you were wondering their bonuses.


Male Human Bard 4
Ravingdork wrote:

That's a lot of capital, Rory, which together costs a lot even at earned values. I'm assuming you didn't spend all your starting funds then?

I'm having to earn gold just so I can afford the capital.

Powergaming DM wrote:
I'll even let you mitigate the unrest from the squatters by 1 if you charge only half. This will also gain you 1d6 influence.
There is no unrest once that second set of houses is built.

Also remember that when you're working on the distract map that Adular's planning on the shrine being upgraded to a temple which takes up two lots.


Male Human Bard 4

Its a shame not everything on kingdom building can be done using downtime rules or Rory would make a park next or get the city some paved streets. Also, this is more for Eldric whenever he sees this, but if he plans on turning his bar into a full tavern, he needs to build a house as well since under the kingdom building rules, the tavern has to be adjacent to a house. I'll have to do the same when/if i build an inn next.

edit: wow... inns will net around 5gp a day not counting any furnishings you put into it.


Ravingdork wrote:

I've finished declaring and calculating my downtime/kingdom activities for the second month.

It would be great if we could get to a point where we could breeze through a kingdom month each real world day.

I am open to any suggestions to speed things up. Also thank you for all the work you have been doing great help in that direction.


Male Human Bard 4

Yeah, thanks a lot in helping with understanding downtime and kingdom rules.


Rory Ward wrote:

Its a shame not everything on kingdom building can be done using downtime rules or Rory would make a park next or get the city some paved streets. Also, this is more for Eldric whenever he sees this, but if he plans on turning his bar into a full tavern, he needs to build a house as well since under the kingdom building rules, the tavern has to be adjacent to a house. I'll have to do the same when/if i build an inn next.

edit: wow... inns will net around 5gp a day not counting any furnishings you put into it.

Remember the kingdom rules and downtime rules are only really a beginning. They both are missing a lot of things. If you feel that something is missing propose a fix. I am very likely to add it to the house-rule section. Of course if you used downtime to build paved streets you would have a hard time making any money on them the river freedoms being what they are.


Male Human Bard 4
Powergaming DM wrote:
Rory Ward wrote:

Its a shame not everything on kingdom building can be done using downtime rules or Rory would make a park next or get the city some paved streets. Also, this is more for Eldric whenever he sees this, but if he plans on turning his bar into a full tavern, he needs to build a house as well since under the kingdom building rules, the tavern has to be adjacent to a house. I'll have to do the same when/if i build an inn next.

edit: wow... inns will net around 5gp a day not counting any furnishings you put into it.

Remember the kingdom rules and downtime rules are only really a beginning. They both are missing a lot of things. If you feel that something is missing propose a fix. I am very likely to add it to the house-rule section. Of course if you used downtime to build paved streets you would have a hard time making any money on them the river freedoms being what they are.

It wouldn't be something he does to make money. Rory's very much a person that grew up being... i guess kinda like a half-royal. He had the perks of royalty without the title. But the royals didn't like him because he was common and the commoners didn't like him because of his close ties with the royalty. It ended up with him seeing both worlds fairly well and he doesn't want the same resentment from the lower class people and wants to help them whenever and wherever he can. If that means funding paved streets to help people move around, so be it. If that means making a park for people to enjoy, done. (though the park is more likely than the streets.)


The inner voice within your ear
Rory Ward wrote:
Also remember that when you're working on the distract map that Adular's planning on the shrine being upgraded to a temple which takes up two lots.

I hadn't forgotten.


The inner voice within your ear

Riva may come off as a staunchy noble, but the truth of it is she really cares. She's invested thousands of gold of her own money (leaving less than 200 for herself) and has put the returns of all her investments back into the community.


Male Human Bard 4

alright, so here's my layout for month 2. I'll add it to the calender when the second month gets added. The first two days of the month I commission the construction work. If I can do that as well as rule, I do, otherwise i rule from day 3-9 for my seven days. Construction finishes on various days, primarily on the 8. If i can't rule but can work on those first two days I will but I'll end up with a total of 12 days of gaining capital, primarily goods and labor and begin construction on my ball room on I believe the 21st. Now, I'm pretty sure I understood that my common room will continue to earn capital even if I'm not there, which I believe would include while I"m ruling, there fore my gp break down for the month should be like this.

1-7 = 1.7 gp = 11.9 gp total
8-11 = 2.1 gp = 8.4 gp total
12-20 = 2.6 gp = 20.8 gp total
21-28 = 1.9 gp =15.2 gp total

the 21-28 is operating under the assumption that I can still at least rent out space in my storage rooms for people to sleep while the common room gets upgraded to the ballroom, if not, its fine, I'll rent it out as storage for something else if possible. All in all, I'm looking at between 41.1 to 56.3 gp earned in the second month if possible


The whole year is already there.


Male Human Bard 4

yeah, i just noticed that during my lunch break that it was on a different level or whatever that is for excel. I take it my breakdown on the second month is all right with you? I don't want to add anything to the calender until it passes your inspection.


The calendar can be edited. I'm just as likely to see problems in the calendar then in the posts.


Male Human Bard 4

I guess then my only question left is an i start the construction of my additional rooms and rule in the same day or not. From what i understood, I"m not doing any of the work in the construction so I would think so, but i just want to make sure.


Male Elf Paladin-3

Wow. I'm 50 plus posts behind in discussion it seems! Apologies, I'll try to play catch up


The inner voice within your ear
Rory Ward wrote:
I guess then my only question left is an i start the construction of my additional rooms and rule in the same day or not. From what i understood, I"m not doing any of the work in the construction so I would think so, but i just want to make sure.

The GM has already house ruled that you can earn influence WHILE ruling (which reminds me, I should probably move things around a little), and I have not seen anything that says STARTING the actual construction takes any downtime at all since all you need to do is given orders to start (though I'll double check for you).


Male Human Bard 4

I don't need influence, i need gold. And I must have missed that part on the house ruling. But like i said, i figured the common room would still earn gold even with me ruling since it's doing it on its own. and thanks again for your help.


The inner voice within your ear
Rory Ward wrote:
But like i said, i figured the common room would still earn gold even with me ruling since it's doing it on its own.

lol. I totally forgot about that. I've been shortchanging myself during ruling days.


Male Human Bard 4

Its moments like this that make my day awesome. The lazy player that learns best by having a more experienced player dumb it down for him, notices something that the more experienced player missed. Glad I can help.


The inner voice within your ear

DM, could you address the first question in this thread, as they directly pertain to how our game is to be run.

Depending on your interpretation, it can have a huge effect on the kingdom number calculations.


The inner voice within your ear
Powergaming DM wrote:

As far as I can see if an event says that it decreases a stat and does not give a duration. Than it would seem to be permanent.

In that case they really should add some event that give permanent bonuses. Ah well I guess things are just going to be hard on the players.

I suppose it's meant to represent the notion that a nation that does not grow will ultimately stagnate and die.

Our Stability will now and forevermore be one point lower due to the squatters last month. :(


Male Human Bard 4

To me that's dumb. I would think that the kingdom would grow and heal from such an event.


The Squatters event is an Continuous event this means then it ends it ends.


The inner voice within your ear
Powergaming DM wrote:
The Squatters event is an Continuous event this means then it ends it ends.

So no more penalty to Stability?


Yup just like a spell with a duration of permeant ends when dispelled. If the event was normal and therefor instant that would be another mater.


The inner voice within your ear

So events that aren't continuous and bestow penalties are the ones we want to look out for.

PDM, can you tell me which hexes hold resources, landmarks, and other interesting features that our characters would/should have known about at this point? I want to put them on the map for easy reference.

It may well effect how we decide to build our kingdom.


Male Human Bard 4

Well I have my second month write up done. I'll update the calendar in a sec. I'm just gonna wait for my little rp session with Eldric to finish up before I post it.


The inner voice within your ear

On what days do your building projects complete, guys? I'm wondering if I should be adding a shrine and/or tavern to the Kingdom building listings.


Male Human Bard 4

Calendar is updated for me. I'm almost out of gold. lol. down to just under 200 gp. At the rate I'm going, my theater should be done by the tenth of Desnus


Male Human

Blah, it's a bit of a busy week for me. I have an A-B week work schedule, so I basically have one week of straight work, then a week mostly off. This is my work week, and I have classes on Tuesday and Thursday. At a minimum, I will be posting once per day on those busy days.

On the plus side, I've got my Calistril calendar updated.


Male Human Bard 4

I hear you, tomorrow I start my research for my project and papers that I have due in a couple weeks. I'll probably still be posting multiple times a day to give my brain a bit of a cool down from so much research and stuff.


Male Elf Paladin-3

My dog had to take a visit to the emergency vet today so I'm a bit distracted.

Note to self: 68 days to build a temple? ouch


Male Human Bard 4

understandable. I hope everything turns out alright. I know it can be rough and scary.

68, try 80 cause of spending restrictions.


Step 6—Create Army Units:
I don't think this turn
Step 7—Issue Edicts
do you want to change any edicts?

Income Phase
Step 1—Make Withdrawals from the Treasury
Anyone want to?
Step 2—Make Deposits to the Treasury
Anyone want to?
Step 3—Sell Expensive Items for BP
Anyone want to?
Step 4—Collect Taxes
Economy: 1d20 + 19 ⇒ (8) + 19 = 27
I think that means 9 Bp this turn

No events this turn


The inner voice within your ear

Riva will make a withdraw of 1 BP from the treasury to earn 2,000gp this turn. I believe I can put it to better use with the downtime rules, and the unrest it generates will be easily overcome with a house this turn.

We are going into Pharast now, correct?


The inner voice within your ear

I suggest either one of you guys switch your bonus from Economy to Stability this month, or we construct more buildings to get stability higher. Right now we have more than a 50% chance of accumulating unrest each month. We need to get that way down. Too much unrest will lower our roll modifiers and can create a snowball effect.


Male Elf Paladin-3
Ravingdork wrote:
On what days do your building projects complete, guys? I'm wondering if I should be adding a shrine and/or tavern to the Kingdom building listings.

Okay, shrine should be complete by the 17th of Abadius. I hopefully have put it on the calender. Temple expansion will be much much later it seems.


Male Human Bard 4

Who'll give the bigger bonus to stability? My theater will give some stability and economy but that's not going to be done for a bit.


The inner voice within your ear

Edlric would. He has a +4 versus your +3, Rory.

We may not want to go that route though, since it will also take away from Economy.

Kingdom Stats should Eldric switch: E14, L16, S14
Kingdom Stats should Rory switch: E15, L16, S13
Kingdom Stats should we do nothing: E18, L16, S10

...versus a control DC of 22.


Male Human Bard 4

very true. So it'll be best for me to switch to stability for at least the third month or longer?

I have a question. Since by the time it comes to upgrade my ballroom to an auditorium, it'll only cost 1 influence and 6 labor. And I remember reading that i could pay double the capital to speed up construction, so do i double what i have left to pay for the auditorium or is it what i have left on top of its total cost? I may want to try to speed up its construction to get us that bonus to stability quicker.


Double what is left to pay.

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