Leinathan/mdt's Kingmaker (Inactive)

Game Master leinathan

Sanita picks up some MW Lockpicks while she's at home, I forgot about that, if it's OK Kertuffle.

Sanita's sheet updated with magical items, including headband, and MW lockpicks.

Okay! Here are two Loot division suggestions!

If we go with the first division (A), but don't want to hang on to the three expensive potions everyone (except Dareon) will get an extra 125gp in their shares.

The Sanctuary potion should be given to a NPC for worst case scenarios or someone going on scouting or diplomatic trips.

The Cure Light Wounds potion should be held either in reserve at Oleg's or in the team with the least healing.

Thoughts?

How'd you get 2800 per? Are you dividing by 12 or by 10? Remember, the two new people are not sharing in this part of the loot, their starting wealth is based on our average WBL after the lot is dispersed.

Additionally, I thought we were keeping the awaken scroll for Munin?

My calculations were that it should be in the mid 3K range, and that was just for the loot Fharn and Sanita brought back divided by 10. It looks like you added in everyones loot and somehow got less?

Ok, looking it over, I see the difference.

So, If we take the stick out...

37,222 - 10,400 = 26822 / 9 = 2980 per person (with Dareon getting nothing since he's getting the stick, and he's 7K in the hole on future loot).

If we take the stick and the scroll out...

37,222 - 10,400 - 1562 = 25,260 / 9 = 2806, which is basically what you did.

Ok, sorry, took me a minute to see how you went at it. :)

That will mean Sanita has to adjust her enchantment materials down from 1500 to 750ish.

A quick reminder for crafting, Holbrecht has Craft Wondrous and Arms & Armor, the full complement of Cleric spells, and a love for creating something useful and functional.

My spellcraft isn't the best, but I imagine he would do more than his fair share of the magic item crafting.

Also, Holbrecht doesn't mind if Fharn shares the memory.

Sanita does though (see gameplay). :)

Yeah, if Holbrecht can craft then that's great, especially if he can do the spells. Although, helping Fharn by casting the spells for him works even better, as he can do it twice as fast (2000 per day). :) That lets him fast craft, and Holbrecht only has to take 5 minutes per day to go cast the cleric spells for him. :)

Ok, looking it over, I see the difference.

So, If we take the stick out...

37,222 - 10,400 = 26822 / 9 = 2980 per person (with Dareon getting nothing since he's getting the stick, and he's 7K in the hole on future loot).

If we take the stick and the scroll out...

37,222 - 10,400 - 1562 = 25,260 / 9 = 2806, which is basically what you did.

Ok, sorry, took me a minute to see how you went at it. :)

That will mean Sanita has to adjust her enchantment materials down from 1500 to 750ish.

In option A, none of the Consumables (except the arrows!) were sold, but Dante & Lanya didn't get a full share (since they got bigger shares last time) - which let the rest have ~appropriate shares.

All the potions, the kit, the scroll, the wand & the holy water remains.

@Hol - Check out the Mage Guild link and then the Crafter's Corner tab. Feel free to put up your name there :)

@Everyone - I made a calender. Feel free to look at it and plop down important events. As of now, it starts at Gozrem but if we really wants to have the earlier ones I'll fix that.

I would be most pleased to know which year it currently is (in game!). The weekday alignments is Gozrem year X = April 2014

The link will be posted in my Profile, and hopefully at the top of this page if you like it!

edit @Sanita Since he will cast the spell to show his own memories (of Hol's memories) no-one will look in her mind. Don't you trust me?

Ok, I'm confused on the break down of money then. All I know is Sanita's WBL keeps getting more and more out of whack. :(

Update: Since the URL is faaaaaaaaaaar to long to fit, I'll just leave it here (and somewhere on my profile...)

Calendar

@Sanita

Option A breakdown:

1) I took away the staff and the consumables from the pool. (24047gp left)

2) I decided that 2800g was a good full share size (24047 -2800*7= 4447gp left)

3) Lanya and Dante got a smaller share, of 2200gp each (4447 -2200*2 = 47gp)

4) I gave the leftovers to Dareon so he can afford food!

Step 2 & 3 were repeated until the present share-sizes were found.

Clearer =)?

1500 in enchanting materials

Unless I missed something, she's at 11229 instead of 16K for level 6 (Actually, 16,900 with rich parents). Granted she has another 150-200 gp worth of crafting materials to craft alchemical items. The 1500 in enchanting materials is for magic items she'll get Rharn/Rowan to craft later. So, that would put her at 13229 out of 16900 WBL. It's not completely out of whack, but it's only close due to having others who can craft.

Ok, so apparently there's a bunch of stuff affecting the distribution of wealth that I don't know about. So we take off the 1500 gp of extra enchanting materials, because I am not sure how much I get beyond 2000.

So Sanita's WBL is 11,229 out of 16,900, so she's very much below WBL.

Ok, so apparently there's a bunch of stuff affecting the distribution of wealth that I don't know about. So we take off the 1500 gp of extra enchanting materials, because I am not sure how much I get beyond 2000.

So Sanita's WBL is 11,229 out of 16,900, so she's very much below WBL.

That is why I did an alternative divide, option B that is much more ... money intense : )

We haven't decided yet. Everyone should atleast get a chance to look and voice their concerns!

Think about it this way, Sanita - without the talking staff, and with just getting gold, I'd be at somewhere around 10,000gp. Kingmaker is known for being a low-loot campaign (Although I know Kerfuffle is alleviating this a LOT), but we're also 10 players that keep selling off our loot and buying new loot.

Expect to be below WBL if we keep selling loot. And don't expect to be exactly at WBL, anyway. Loot doesn't have to be evenly distributed, as long as its the party that benefits from loot distribution rather than an individual. Not only that, but a GM is under no obligations to actually hand out the amount of loot that you expect to have.

I have no issue with being low on the WBL ladder, Dareon. :)

Unfortunately, Sanita's WBL is always under assault because her primary method of damage costs 20-25 GP per attack. :)

Think about it this way, Sanita - without the talking staff, and with just getting gold, I'd be at somewhere around 10,000gp. Kingmaker is known for being a low-loot campaign (Although I know Kerfuffle is alleviating this a LOT), but we're also 10 players that keep selling off our loot and buying new loot.

Expect to be below WBL if we keep selling loot. And don't expect to be exactly at WBL, anyway. Loot doesn't have to be evenly distributed, as long as its the party that benefits from loot distribution rather than an individual. Not only that, but a GM is under no obligations to actually hand out the amount of loot that you expect to have.

Hmm. I feel that you are on the right track, but I disagree with your conclusions.

Kingmaker is known for low 'loot level' and abundant with downtime.

With gold, we can (more efficiently) create equipment to arm ourselves for the challenges ahead. The 10000gp can be turned into 40000 worth of blades.

An awesome stick is only going to help the one whom haves it :P

But, I do respect the satisfying feeling of actually used equipment one earned instead of those bought or crafted. And I do believe Kertuffle can manage to put the challenges at the right level regardless if we have 10000gp more or less. Therefore, I'm fine with varying shares and big pieces of loot, even if there are more 'optimal' paths : )

@Sanita Hmm - Have you considered something like researching a Produce Flame extract? Or a variant of Abundant Ammunition :)

Each thing you don't know increases the DC by +5 to add it. If the GM feels lenient, having someone with the requisite knowledge skill and language aid other would remove the DC penalty.

I've run into this question before regarding construction of Headbands of Intelligence. Just add Summon Monster II or higher to the prereq and I'll consider that sufficient to summon whatever creature is neccessary to provide the knowledge needed if you don't have it.

I have summon monster III on my spell-list, so I can help Rowan with creating it.

Also Alchemists not being able to craft items is ridiculous. Sanita can help as much as she wishes in making items.

Also Alchemists not being able to craft items is ridiculous. Sanita can help as much as she wishes in making items.

That's what I do in my own games too. :)

So, any formulae you need, just let Sanita know, she'll make an extract and pour it over your item.

And you can pick up lockpicks if you wish.

Personally I'm staying out of the WBL debate - the GM may equip us as he sees fit, I don't have problem with being severely under-budget. Also, there TWELVE of us ofr a 5-players adventure. I exepct to be under-equipped.

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Here are some sketches of Fharn's and Wilhelm's banners made with Heromachine, together with a few banners I made for the setting of my homebrew adventure.
Mine are more detailed because I worked from what was available in the program to build a concept, rather than recreating a concept with what the program's database allowed.

I know most of you don't even care, but it's just for fun.

Bej, I didn't total it up to complain, or debate.

I totaled it up because Kertuffle said he was going to have to total us all up to figure out what the new characters got for starting gold. I was trying to be helpful.

I like #6, personally. Very good job on the shields.

Bej, I didn't total it up to complain, or debate.

I totaled it up because Kertuffle said he was going to have to total us all up to figure out what the new characters got for starting gold. I was trying to be helpful.

yes, and I wasn't in any way implying anything about you.

No problem Bej, I just didn't want anyone to think I was complaining. I didn't feel attacked per se, just wanted to make sure people knew why I did the totaling up is all. :)

Result: Fhârn will need 8 days of work more to complete all the orders & all the scribing he wants to do.

I suggest we take these 8 days after we deal with our kingdom duties, since that will put the date at 30th of Gozren, which is easy to work with : )

This also lets Bej & Dareon have some time to scribe the spells they want into their books, something that takes a surprisingly long time I just noticed ^^

@Bej The two the right on the bottom line are very nice : )

Yeah, Sanita could have made a ton of alchemical items in the time it took to scribe the formulae. Fortunately, she could pay people to do a lot of it at the end.

So, it looks like Sanita's stuff is done by the time they hit Oleg's then. :)

Personally I'm staying out of the WBL debate - the GM may equip us as he sees fit, I don't have problem with being severely under-budget. Also, there TWELVE of us ofr a 5-players adventure. I exepct to be under-equipped.

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Here are some sketches of Fharn's and Wilhelm's banners made with Heromachine, together with a few banners I made for the setting of my homebrew adventure.
Mine are more detailed because I worked from what was available in the program to build a concept, rather than recreating a concept with what the program's database allowed.

I know most of you don't even care, but it's just for fun.

Very nice. Thank you.

Sanita, Fharn, Holbrecht and Munin are now officially arrived at Oleg's! Yea!

Yeah, just 10 days too late to meet that lovely nobleman. Or perhaps they meet his grave. Who knows? Schrodinger's nobleman!

Yeah, just 10 days too late to meet that lovely nobleman. Or perhaps they meet his grave. Who knows? Schrodinger's nobleman!

Indeed!

I'll vote for that you guys resolve that situation first before we start RPing the later part : )

I need Sanita to show up so bad, these Aholes need to die in their sleep without the knowledge of our venerable lord. Free soldiers yay!

I'm on the job Dante! I'm trying to convince everyone to make sure they stay the night for a reason! :P

I'm not 100% that we should try to kill these guys - If they were to die, them dying in the wilderness is the best option, because then the King can't send armies at us to crush us for killing a favored servant of his.

They'll die in their sleep, they took sick, not used to the cold, worn from travel, its a shame really.

Sanita has no issues slitting throats in the dark for the greater good. :) Or for enough profit if the guys are aholes. :) Or, as a favor for a friend. :)

If we take down any of them, we take down all of them. Roan's mostly planning on rummaging through their stuff and making sure they're nothing more insidious than thought.

If needed, and if we got comparable enough numbers, Roan will suggest a big strike that we'll eventually send word of finding bodies I'm the wilderness and IDing a couple. So slit throats is unlikely for now, but I'm definitely planning something.

@Drelev: Because Wilhelm wouldn't object to striking them down without cause. :P That said, expanding west to guarantee we have a hold on the River trade route, that's not something he'd necessarily object to. :)

I'm holding off on 'the big post' until we figure out what happens with our new 'friends' and neighbors. What we learn from them will determine stuff.

@Bej: The symbol you made looks really good Bej, I might have to try playing around with that program a bit to see what I can do with it.

@Bej- I may use #5 for the internal guard. They all look great though!

I could follow them for a few days, wait until they get preoccupied with some skirmish and then engage in some good ol' fashioned guerrilla warfare and then wild shape into a bear and eat the rest. >=D

If they are mostly human, do what Sanita did, hit them in the dark on a moonless night. :) Just cast Darkvision first. :)

You could also put those giant steel bear traps to really good use. :) Set them up, snipe them in the dark, get them chasing you, lead them into a minefield. :)

Still interested in hearing your input on loot division, especially from all those whom haven't commented yet.

Here is the post, if you missed it!

If no-one says anything, I'll default to Plan A with the 'Sell 3 expensive potions' add on.

I still think we ought to keep the scroll of awaken. We don't have that spell in our magic academy yet, we should at the very least transfer the spell into our books before selling the scroll.

Awaken is a druid only spell, but I guess we can glue it to a book if we want =)

(now that I think about it - some Alchemist archetype can probably cast it to ...)

Due to the way expensive material components are handled, it would be cheaper to Awaken someone from the scroll rather then to give Rowan the required reagents (unless they can be paid with Magic).

In division A, the Scroll of Awaken, Potion of Sanctuary & Potion of Cure Light Wounds is unaccounted for (ie kept).

In division B, they are sold/dispersed among the party

I had figured we were keeping the Awaken scroll for use on Munin in either scheme. As for A vs B, I'm fine with either, it just depends on whether Dareon wants the staff or not. If he does, use A, if not, B. I still think the potions are of relatively little value to us since we have multiple clerics and we can scribe scrolls of these spells if we really need to.

One other thing I wanted to ask, what do people think of paying (as a group) for 3 wands of cure light wounds? It's cheap out of combat healing that quite a few of us can use. If we create the magic used to craft it, it would cost 2250 / 4 = 562.5 total. That would be a mere 46.88 gp each. Thoughts?

I'm fine with the wands.

So, guys, let's have a Councilor decided for when the meeting with Drelev ends, ok? So we can start Kingmaking as intended.

Roan is acting very paranoid, not really Councilor-like, but he is getting very involved in our politics and that's a plus, role-playing wise. Jhod, on the other hand, has been pretty much forgotten.

Unfortunately most of us have yet to meet Holbrecht - but both our newcomers make for good Councilors stat-wise.

SHould we go with Roan for the moment then? Any objections? Do we want to make the Roan-Sanita switch, or any other switch?

It seemed like Dareon did want that staff...

Redundant healing is never a bad thing, I would think.

That potion of sanctuary actually seems like a pretty good item for when things get hairy. I was kind of wishing I had santuary memorized for the fight against the worgs.

The staff seemed like the one item in the hoard that would be a good fit for Dareon, so I asked for it. I certainly don't mind not having it, as I can make good use of a few thousand gold. I'm also just of the opinion that we should use more loot given.

About Councilor, I think Sanita should certainly be the Spymaster, and Roan would make an okay Councilor. I also think we should keep the scroll of awaken, and put it in a spellbook, especially since I can learn it at later levels.

Honestly, Sanita would be much happier in the spymaster role, but she can go diplomacy as well. Just remember that she's going to be a very unique diplomat. :)

Roan is indeed acting rather paranoid right now, but that's in part because 1. He's surrounded by a bunch of people he doesn't know. 2. Is trying to fill the spymaster role as to provide better council. Once he settles in, takes stock of the local PCs, and Sanita returns to be Spymaster, he'll be a lot less paranoid, and probably a better fit for the Councillor role. :)

I think we should keep the potions. A Cure Light Wounds may not be much for us anymore but it would be a good item to give to our soon to be acquired minions. I'd rather not take the time later to brew potions that we already have now.

@Sanita: Thinking of how Rowan could deal with Drelev & Co makes me realize just how frighteningly useful he could be as a spy. And if he didn't have his morals and sense of decency, he would have just introduced himself and shook their hands after preparing contagion. Natural selection = if they die of disease then they are not fit to be in the River Kingdoms. >=D

Also, I have added a few items to the crafter's corner. Would it be more efficient to have Fharn create the headbands while Rowan supplies him with the necessary spells?