You mean justifiably killable ;)
Correct!
It's like Cleo's only saving grace, the fact that she is more in the habit of killing the justifiably killable! XD
He nods in agreement and slowly begins to form an image. Almost going through a checklist he says, "a human aasimar with dark red hair, a fair complextion, eyes that have a jewel tone of rubies, just a few inches taller than you with and well toned body. Did I miss anything?"
I am sorry to hear about the loss of time well spent!
Cleonora mentally she through her own checklist before she shook her head. "I don't believe so." She answered. "I'm sorry that you have to wear a different form at all."
"Let's try to make sure that doesn't happen." Gao commented.
Cleonora gave Gao a small roll of her eyes with a half smirk before she looked back to Jorne. "I am very thankful for everything you have done Jorne. It really does mean a great deal to me. I have few friends, but I am proud to count you among them."
Yeah... I thought it was so good too... Man! I'm still so angry about it!!!
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He nods in response, and then comments, "Love is a strange thing. A part of you may still want him, or you don't want to stop getting that attention, or you know even if you tell him he won't stop... yeah we should fix that now. A simple wish to tether him to someone else... something like that, I will need to look into that. Nothing pressing.
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"So the, tether would be a problem?" Cleonora asked a bit confused. "Do you mean because it ties us together? Or is there something more to it?"
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"Of course my lad!" Gao said as he set his own tea down and picked up the tea pot, when Jorne held out his cup he filled it with another serving of team "I am glad you feel that way. It is good to have you around."
Cleo, it is time. Make it happen. I am done waiting.
There. Post is up. It isn't no where near my first one, but I'll never get there again without another two hours to write and I just don't have that right this moment. Hope it reads well I'm still in a sleep haze. Had to go to bed the moment I got home. Closed last night only to open this morning... Man I hate my job...
I am sorry about the hours of your job and the pain that it is being.
I typically work on a post at most 15 minutes then post it! Sorry again you lost all that work! :'(
It isn't your fault, but thank you. We're supposed to get four more people on Monday! Which is my day off, but the extra help should really allow me more time to dedicate to my family and my games! So that we can get this resolved as quickly as possible.
Yeah I am too... I spent time rewriting it so that it read easy, didn't sound too abrasive, and got the point across as easily as Cleo could. Honestly this is one of the few games I've put so much work into. But then again conflict tends to make more work as well as more story so... I'm not surprised...
That is good.
He smiles and nods at Gao's words... he seems a bit withdrawn but relaxed. He blows on the tea and enjoys the steam as he breathes it in.
"Did something happen to your friends?" Gao asked, after all he wasn't in the loop.
The next day he brought you flowers in his new aasimar form. Tiger lillies. To have lunch with you.
Still here. I am not ignoring things.
I sent GM a note for clarification on a question.
Prior to Cleo's post she had asked for a ruling on how to play things which if one was made I don't know what it was. So I don't want to just respond without understanding the expectations.
I was surprised that things continued in gameplay without the Wish Solution happening.
"It is also likely that this place is just lucky. I mean it does have a god and an Efreeti among the members. The things they could be capable of.... It is almost mind boggling."
The next day when Cleonora saw Sulvanii she gave him and half smile and accepted the flower. "I'm sorry, about last night..." Cleonora told him. "I just didn't want to say something to you I couldn't take back..."
I believe we have agreed on the wish solution. But Cleo needs to talk to Sulvanii to see if it is even possible, at least what she is thinking, and if she can even ask for it. Which I plan to do after the meeting in game.
So gameplay is proceeding until there is a wish.
Gotcha.
Yup... you know me: logical.
So we will be moving forward in gameplay...
Hey I was told to post! Was I not suppose to take that as a continuing till wish was asked for? I mean unless this wasn't meant towards my post? This I mean 'Cleo, it is time. Make it happen. I am done waiting'
My main reason for holding off posting was to keep from continuing without a clear end or goal in sight.
Cleonora was silent, just sipping her tea.
Oh yes that was meant for you Cleo.
I know it was for me! I mean you used the character's nickname! XD
What I meant is I believed it to mean keep posting in the vein of the gameplay as it was going.
Yup.
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"A third what, oh suitor or at least admirer. Yes we can talk about last night, that is why I brought flowers. I thought they would brighten your day before we had the talk." he says rather enjoying himself.
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"Yeah, he was from a parallel plane. He had cut off most of his emotions to deal with the huge loss. We tethered it to the magics so he would gain some of their emotions. Well you were suppose to either touch his head or his heart. As you kissed him you made the magic much stronger than we had expected, you deviated from the magic as it was written. He is a good man and the magics we instilled on him will make him a power to be reckoned with. That is why I was talking him up earlier. Then you got upset with us even though he asked us to do it. Otherwise he would have likely drunk himself to death."
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"He was suppose to tell you. And actually you kissing him and going off script is likely why the tether is so strong, it was only suppose to latently absorb rather than solidify a connection. Hmmmm."
He would try to be pleasant and after the second cup he would thank you both and dismiss himself.
Then I was right! XD
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"Then let's have lunch in my office. As I don't need to have Jorne's life spoken to everyone." Cleonora said as she motioned for him to follow her. She also set word to the kitchen to get food for two sent to her office.
The meal was a simple nice fish sandwich with a small salad. Cleonora also put the flowers he gave her in a different vase and asked the woman who dropped off their meal to put in it for her. Then she sat down at the meeting table and looked to Sulvanii. "So, where would you like to start?" She asked.
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"You think I got upset because you helped him?" Cleonora asked with a raised "No, that isn't what I was upset with. As I did hope he at least had asked for it, but you planned to tether him to me, without telling me. When he offered protect, I figured he meant as a body guard. And the few questions I got in before hand, well let's just say none of his answers explained the tether." Cleonora pointed out. "I'm upset, because I bound a man to me! Without even knowing it! Now I'm just to cast him aside?!"
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Cleonora gave Jorne a smiled as he said goodbye, then finished her tea and said goodbye as well and headed back to her office.
Okay so what is the wish supposed to be and who is supposed to make it.
This situation is not getting better its getting far far worse as far as these two characters working together.
Honestly if only the wisher is supposed to remember things it might be better for all the players to be working to not act as if they don't remember. To keep the dynamic on the same page.
We talked about wishing Elizabeth begging for help but if Cleo doesn't want to be involved at all then that won't work.
The Crux of the issues was that Liz chose to attack and steal instead of ask. So literally changing that one thing, would save all our problems. So I would argue the wish should be made by a neutral third party. Like Stalker.
Though I'm super curious as to why she went after Cleo who declined, when Selena agreed and either of them would have worked for it.
"Cleanest and safest." Cleonora said with a nodded to Quince. "Quince we need to have a talk about your willingness to be bound to random poorly chosen women, it- oh good I'm not the only one who thinks it's a bad idea." Cleonora said as she nodded to Sulvanii's words. "Also being bound in any way to the daughter of the person in your court who has way too much power to begin with, is a really poor ruler plan. Just saying." She added as she held up one hand to stop him from saying anything about it. "Don't. It's an opinion, which you'll ignore anyways, so just save us the following back and forth."
So I was looking at Facebook and this quote came up. . . . sums up Quince's feeling to the above.
“Justice shall be mixed with mercy. You shall not always be an Ass.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Horse and His Boy
The Crux of the issues was that Liz chose to attack and steal instead of ask. So literally changing that one thing, would save all our problems. So I would argue the wish should be made by a neutral third party. Like Stalker.
Yeah I would prefer Saren make the wish then to have one player know the different.
Though I'm super curious as to why she went after Cleo who declined, when Selena agreed and either of them would have worked for it.
If I had to make a guess. GM checked his notes and realized that Selena could work even though at that time it wasn't on his mind.
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Sorry all, I am going to try to post later today and/or tomorrow (a Holiday for me). It is the end of the year for us, so I am having to do personnel reviews, finish up end of the year deliverables, and yesterday, as well as today, I am helping my wife learn how to upgrade our authentication system from a very well known but complex IT vendor.
Not always, just now.
If any PC remembers this the point become moot. For they will always remember what happened. Also Saren isn't a neutral party. It really needs to be a neutral party. Stalker has strong ties to the party and council, but supported Cleo enough that she'd accept him doing it.
Possibly. That is the most likely at this very moment. But it is a glaring hole at the moment...
Sorry all, I am going to try to post later today and/or tomorrow (a Holiday for me). It is the end of the year for us, so I am having to do personnel reviews, finish up end of the year deliverables, and yesterday, as well as today, I am helping my wife learn how to upgrade our authentication system from a very well known but complex IT vendor.
It's cool man! It seems like life is just hitting ya hard at the moment, so no worried.
"Cleanest and safest." Cleonora said with a nodded to Quince. "Quince we need to have a talk about your willingness to be bound to random poorly chosen women, it- oh good I'm not the only one who thinks it's a bad idea." Cleonora said as she nodded to Sulvanii's words. "Also being bound in any way to the daughter of the person in your court who has way too much power to begin with, is a really poor ruler plan. Just saying." She added as she held up one hand to stop him from saying anything about it. "Don't. It's an opinion, which you'll ignore anyways, so just save us the following back and forth."So I was looking at Facebook and this quote came up. . . . sums up Quince's feeling to the above.
“Justice shall be mixed with mercy. You shall not always be an Ass.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Horse and His Boy
Of course I scrolled further and found Cleo's reply.
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Ah!!! Oh my God! XD
That is amazing man! I don't care how this turns out! I'll make another character if I have to, but you my friend! You are a treasure to find on the boards! I love it!
Sorry all, I am going to try to post later today and/or tomorrow (a Holiday for me). It is the end of the year for us, so I am having to do personnel reviews, finish up end of the year deliverables, and yesterday, as well as today, I am helping my wife learn how to upgrade our authentication system from a very well known but complex IT vendor.
Always welcome.
Hope you are doing well.
Ah!!! Oh my God! XD
That is amazing man! I don't care how this turns out! I'll make another character if I have to, but you my friend! You are a treasure to find on the boards! I love it!
LOL
The problem is Quince won't kill you. It would be so much simpler.
Ah!!! Oh my God! XD
That is amazing man! I don't care how this turns out! I'll make another character if I have to, but you my friend! You are a treasure to find on the boards! I love it!
LOL
The problem is Quince won't kill you. It would be so much simpler.
Quince doesn't have a menacing bone in his body. Hell it would be simpler to just have Cleo kill Liz in her sleep, hide her bones in the lake, and leave a note that she left. Because no one but me and the GM would even know! XD
(This is a joke, I'm making a joke)In all seriousness I'd of just told the players not to get attached the moment I found out the players where not able to solve it themselves and removed the problematic NPC from play. I've actually had to do it before when I GMed a roll20 game...
The problem isn't the NPC though.
I could be wrong but the problem as I see it is how Quince and Cleo view the law.
Quince sees the law as a tool to be used to get the best result for people involved. He wants good results. There are of course limits to mercy.
Cleo as you have said is judge dread the law and the law alone is the consideration.
If we can find away to balance that perspective in a single story it would be a great commentary on Justice, Mercy and the Law.
It is, but not in the way you're think. Let me explain. You are completely correct that the ideals of the law between Quince and Cleonora are what is driving the problem forward. But their argument is over Liz, the NPC. No NPC, no argument.
This battle of their views on how the law should work would be an amazing commentary! But I feel in order to do something like that both Cleo and Quince need a deeper and better understanding of each other and a stable balance of trust. Which they just didn't get the time to build. And it's hard to build that with each side believe the other to be unreasonable. I really wish this story plot had just happened a little later in game, after a baseline could have been established.
Yes that is the substantial cause of this disagreement.
Wasn't that the same reason they disagreed about Selena?
Cleo: Don't do this you don't want to make Slavery legal its a bad idea.
Quince: Of course slavery is bad. This is different because magic and the alternative is that the person will become a monster.
It was very much in the same vein! And I'll also point out that you all completely ignored that she was very willing to kill someone for using mind controlling magic. She would have followed through if wasn't for the fact it became know that it was actually the intelligent item. So as it has actually intelligence, the item becomes at fault. Which is why she would have taken great pleasure in destroying it.
And she was also annoyed that Quince believed this was the only way. Cleo believed that through some research that there could be another way, however Selena didn't want it! That was her choice. Magical or not, it is slavery, which Quince has approved instead of being like, No I'm not having any form of slavery in my kingdom, I suggest you look elsewhere. Which is what Cleo saw as the logical thing. Because now you've opened the door to other magical slaves.
But I had hoped that, specifically that interaction, would have sparked a "You know I think we need to talk" from the group or at least one PC. But... That didn't happen... So here we are. Back at square one...
Partly.
Quince very much agreed that finding out more information to eventually break the enchantment would have been the best plan. That was how the matter was left. Save that in the meantime Stalker would where the ring.
Selena then objected to even the attempt to break the enchantment.
LOL I think the Liz situation progress on it. That and Selena seems satisfied that Stalker has the band.
Bracelet. It was a bracelet. Item! The item! XD
It was her unwillingness to be removed from the bracelet's control and thus freed which made Cleo go, oh then this is just a dead end and she should leave.
It's a similar situation, but instead of being an hey this seems familiar how did I deal with this last time. It's just butting heads. If any of the PCs had come to talk about what happened after Selena the baseline that we're missing could have been built. Making the later situation with Liz to taken in a better direction. But, it wasn't. Instead it went into honesty hour for the council and a bit of small talk for setting up some character progression for Cleo and Sulvanii, though in the discussion threat there was also Katrina starting their friendship and the only character to talk about the situation after it happened, towards each other I mean. Then we went right into the Liz situation.
Well great stories have different ideas that are presented with good arguments and differences.
I mean take Captain America Civil War. The ideological difference was never resolved rather they learned that they were being divided by someone.
In the case of Selena the issue was agreed that they would work to break the enchantment. I think if they took up the conversation again they would work together. But a new situation came up.
It just so happens that the new situation turned on similar reasoning.
I don't want you to feel like Cleo is impossible to go forward. Especially if out of character your own reasoning and insights would push a different character toward a path that ran against the reasoning that we have shown.
Yes but Captain America: Civil War has a base for all of the characters. They went through multiple movies building friendships, understandings, and found that they shared a great deal of common ground. We don't have that. Nor is there a third party manipulating the group. Unless the GM wants to turn Liz into a villian. Which I mean her introduction was definitely one! XD
The problem is, that Cleo never agreed to break the enchantment. Because Selena didn't want that and it was her choice. Which Cleo would honor, even if she didn't agree with it. If Quince had come to her about the enchantment she'd give him a look of "Boy what ya talkin' about?" Then explained that unless Selena agreed to it she wouldn't put the effort in, because it would come to nothing.
Yes this situation has parallels but you don't have a connection that could wear down Cleo. You tried logic but your logic actually lead to the information that it was all Liz's fault to begin with. It's kinda like Cap's fight with Tony over Bucky.
Edit:Oh but then removed the friendship that made Tony even think about listening to Cap....
Damn it! *sigh* I actually liked that post too...
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"Only if you act like that every time." He says and you can't tell if he is kidding you or not.
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"On the surface it appears to be just a protection... no it is a non detection amulet. But if you wear it other special abilities might awaken. You have a legacy item. Hmmmm if you leave it with me or bring it back tomorrow we could look into the first quest." he says with interest.
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"Well I can't promise. But if it is interesting enough I'm sure it would happen." Cleonora said with a small smirk. She paused a moment before she dug out a necklace and pendant from a small leather compartment on her belt. "You've been around more then I have. Do you know what this does?" Cleonora asked as she showed it to him.
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"A legacy item?" Cleonora asked with a raise eyebrow. "Why would he give me this?" She wondered aloud.
Edited, again!
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"That may be true but I thought better of saying anything. Would you like to spend more time here or shall we return to the front?" He replies obviously something is on his mind but choosing not to talk on it, thus changing the subject.