
GM Chyro |

Hopefully an aoe that will not endanger poor Gru'Gar further. :o

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Sorry, unexpected guests yesterday. I was thinking about either stepping back or even run away.
We need to find a place where we won't be surrounded.

GM Chyro |

Unexpected guests of such impact..... oh my. :/
I'm a little confused.
The orc attacking Phoebee, was killed by her before.
The creature attacking her now is a choker.
Do you mean that you are attacking the choker, or the she-orc?

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Well, there was an orc still on the map… I wanted to post quickly, and didn't read Phoebe's actions, wanting to get rid of her foes..
So I'll attack the chocker instead, sorry for the confusion

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Trying to catch up. I've been busy days and nights from Wednsaday to today.

GM Chyro |

Assuming choker lives after Nemmy does whatever it is she'll do.

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@Phoebee: May I suggest a grease spell beneath Kulgara?
I am KICKING myself for not casting discharge rather than shatter - I figured it was less likely to be enchanted than for her Fortitude saves to be better than Will.

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I've got to admit, I'm disappointed to be so severely affected by hidden-from-the-player success conditions. It really looks like anyone playing the whole AP will get to success level 10 pretty confidently. If we'd known that we *had* to be victorious in the other two locations then we probably would have taken the time to do it.
Not complaining about you, I really enjoy your GMing, just that there are hugely important factors at play that we have no clue about. Especially in play-by-post PFS where, to be honest, I don't think any of us really understood the setting/environment and were just getting on to the next cool adventure location.
When Angelface died in the spaceship it even made narrative sense for us to avoid the site.
So frustrating!
I hope you don't mind me reading that stuff while my leopard is still in play. I don't think it will impact the game and I really wanted to see whether we were doomed from the start.
Honestly, I think we were doomed anyway: Kulgara and Draigs together could easily have wiped our group and I don't see what we could have done against Hellion's Chassis!
This AP is tough.

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You will get to hear her slippy shoes song.

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I just finished catching up on the thread. Do we fight or flee?

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I was thinking "retreat with parting shots".
I'd suggest casting grease beneath Kulgara. How you want to move otherwise is entirely your call.
I'm considering throwing my fireball after retreating into the tunnel - that would probably kill Brallenera, but it could well also kill Kulgara and the choker. Channeling would do less damage, but be safer.

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Brallenera and Gru are still hasted.
If you can heal them then you should all have the speed to get away.
Otherwise this adventure is a bust.

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If you can heal them then you should all have the speed to get away.
Unlikely - and very, very risky. :[
There are such things as body-retrieval teams for the price of a few extra Prestige (or certain Boons).

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Maybe we shouldn't have rushed into a room we could have been surrounded.
But I think something in PFS mechanism might be broken.
If your character dies, you have to pay quite a sum to come back. That's logical.
But you cant use that money to buy a better equipment, and you are required to play missions according to your level, with more and more dangerous foes.
So you die again, or at least your chances to die increase, and you won't NEVER have the same money than another character from the same level.

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That us true. Pfs seems to overly punish the characters who die.

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I am not seeing a way to heal people who are far away. I think that those of us who can get away do so. I have a magical item, a ring, that can turn me into a bird for a while so she can fly a bit away after a withdrawal.

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can she take a 5' step back activate the ring and fly away since she is hasted>?

GM Chyro |

*Eyes grow big*
You...have... the songbird of doom RING???
Awesome.
About the 5ft step and bird-shift, it looks like only Mythic Haste provides you an extra move action.
I agree with you.
For example, earning a 2nd PP in missions depends on strange conditions.
There was a mission in season 0, where you give the McGuffin to person [X], instead of person [Y] (who wants you to retrieve it), something which wouldn't come to mind at all normally.
This encounter came together from a variety of circumstances and, checking the GM table, this went up to a CR 11 fight.
Circumstances you'll read about, no doubt.
But yes, the crashed shuttle could have lowered the difficulty here, if things went better there. But that captain was dangerous.

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That was the only Shelyn option that seemed to fit this character

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Yeah, I can afford retrieval, resurrection and restoration.
But I’ll have to sell my best gear and burn all of my PP.
Maybe we would have been tougher if we all had full gear value from the start?
It’s especially hard in pbp. I’ve been playing Mylvwara for years and years, she’s my only PFS character above level 1

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She could withdraw correct and next round turn I ti the bird?

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I hate to withdraw but there is no way she can take on most of those baddies.

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Wait, there is no way for us to escape?

GM Chyro |

There is, follow the stairs up and find the dungeon's entrance/exit.
Follow the trail of bodies left in the party's wake.

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So. I've been peeking in on Mylvwara's correspondence with GM Chyro, and...if I (or the 2 newercomers) die this way, that feels like a VERY raw deal; I was led into a massively excessive fight due to reasons and decisions made before I even came onboard with a chance to do anything about it. Is there some sort of appeal I could make?

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Nemesis, can you summarize or point to said discussion.

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So. I've been peeking in on Mylvwara's correspondence with GM Chyro, and...if I (or the 2 newercomers) die this way, that feels like a VERY raw deal; I was led into a massively excessive fight due to reasons and decisions made before I even came onboard with a chance to do anything about it. Is there some sort of appeal I could make?
I would contact the online V.C.s
I think it’s Magabeus or HMM

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Hmmm or Redelia?

GM Chyro |

Magabeus stepped down from it, recently. I think Tyranius took the position. :o
I can very much understand Nemesis' worries, i would have preferred a different outcome, like you.
Regarding the reasons and decisions, allow me to clarify, if it makes more sense for you.
Part of the Iron Gods AP, is a reputation system, which rises with certain accomplishments. (winning specific fights, mostly)
The original team encountered a crashed space shuttle, which, upon completion, awards 1 reputation point.
One of the original team died, and the shuttle now houses two dangerous undead, and the team decided to stay clear of it thereafter.
If the reputation gets to [amount X], adds in fights down here will not be present. (chokers & brigands, in this case)
Unfortunately, the reputation has not yet reached that amount and, per the PDF, some enemies join the initial encounter up here in the control room, under certain conditions. It's a mix of various inconvenient circumstances.

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With what has transpired before was it possible to earn th me reputation points?

GM Chyro |

From what i gather, and i've asked on the boards prior, the PCs start out with 8, and can get reputation for clearing the shuttle, and defeating the arena master.
They did the latter, effectively i'll add.
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Edit:
This was waay deadly for a 6th level party.
I agree. All the enemies combined, formed a CR above epic, in relation to a lvl 5-6 party.
This fight is affected by reputation, and if some areas are explored or not.
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But the points gained were not enough not to trigger the extra monsters?

GM Chyro |

The arena master was defeated, but the crashed shuttle was not cleansed of the undead. :/

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I hope I don't sound like a sore loser, but all things considered, this is genuinely and needlessly unfair - particularly not for those of us who came in late.
I would contact the online V.C.s
I'm not 100% sure what to say.

GM Chyro |

Nemesis, as to your question of prone & 5ft step.
CrawlingYou can crawl 5 feet as a move action. Crawling incurs attacks of opportunity from any attackers who threaten you at any point of your crawl. A crawling character is considered prone and must take a move action to stand up, provoking an attack of opportunity.
In addition, 5ft steps, stepping is done while walking, afaik.
To your question of alternate actions, what would they have been?
Withdraw is a valid option, if that is what you meant.

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To your question of alternate actions, what would they have been?
Withdraw is a valid option, if that is what you meant.
I looked up withdrawal, too, and thought it wasn't - but if yes, and it means I can make it out of that room, then YES, I will take that!

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The frustrating thing is that we had no idea, otherwise we would probably have revisited the crash site.
Also, for PFS you need a perfect run to reach the success condition.
In the original AP, player outside of PFS, there are enough ‘success points’ available that you do not need a perfect run. The AP ‘expects’ PCs to achieve the success conditions.

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I hope I don't sound like a sore loser, but all things considered, this is genuinely and needlessly unfair - particularly not for those of us who came in late.
Mylvwara Elberion wrote:I'm not 100% sure what to say.I would contact the online V.C.s
You could probably just link them to this discussion and ask for an opinion.

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How many of the original players are still here?

GM Chyro |

Brallenera and Mylvwara. Nemesis replaced the PC who died in the shuttle.

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Angelface was killed by the wraith and Beaky quit PFS.
That leaves the Mistress of Mayhem and me.
I’ve got to say that Chyro is a great GM and he does what he can to help players in a jam without breaking PFS code. Reminding players of previous things they saw or discussed, pointing out tactical options, flagging up tough and/or boss fights...
This is on the adventure and the chronicle.

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The half orc and I were the only new people?

GM Chyro |

I'll assume one of the VC's will review the situation.
In case nothing changes, and everyone has their bodies recovered and revives, what are your preferences?
Do a couple of tier 5-6 /6-7 missions instead?
Or i could look for a regular module within tier?
I still have a voucher worth 10 bucks, and modules PDF often are 9,99.

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What is the process of body retrieval