...Seems complicated. Each actual day for us covers two months of training, and if a person can't post more than once or twice a day, they won't have much of a convo with their assigned people for those months.
I'll try whatever, but I tend to think the side discussions in spoiler tags work well as is.
After each Day of Training you will all gain a new bonus, be it a bonus skill point, feat, weapon proficiency, etc.
Do we get to pick or will these be decided by Kotei and everyone gets the same ones?
After each Day of Training you will all gain a new bonus, be it a bonus skill point, feat, weapon proficiency, etc.
Do we get to pick or will these be decided by Kotei and everyone gets the same ones?
Each training day will have a few fixed choices you can take all related to the activity itself.
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I'll be working on adding more to the google document during the day when my laptop recharges enough. As well, I know that doing a year in six days is very quick but I do want us to actually begin the adventure. As mentioned, feel free to RP out of context. As everyone mingles, I'm also thinking of an alternative to splitting everyone into just two groups and instead I believe that dispatching people into smaller teams based on what missions require may be a better idea. For example, some missions will require brute strength, some diplomacy and some stealth. This means everyone can stay on the same thread while still not having fourteen man battles.
"Odd One comes at takes whetstone, yet does not want to talk to Vem; ungrateful, sad thing that he is, I am...Disinterested."
Vem lifts herself back up into her tree, and resumes looking around the garden.
Rai looks at the raft with displeasure, then asks, "Sensei, if the pond is only 3' feet deep, do all of the defenders have to be on the raft to defend it?"
No warrior attacks their opponent the same way every time expecting to win. Maybe you shouldn't either, he says, approaching Mhar and then leaning on his Fauchard.
My weapon is reach and I have Improved Trip so there may or may not be an AoO depending on which action the GM allows me to do.
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Thorrpe and Shadow come in to see Mhar.
I hope you are beginning to feel better, but I believe you were hoping to see someone.
Thorrpe summons the dog again, who races to Mhar and almost tackles him and begins to lick his face.
Tell me a little about yourself?
LOL, Mhar, you're quite popular at the moment. Jezelyn, Zayne, and Thorrpe all waiting to interact with you. :)
Is be happy to interact with others but thorrpe didn't spark any talk w anyone else.
"True... but no warrior wields a weapon so clumsily or inexpertly either." he sighs, bitterly. "I used to be able to keep pace with you. Now... I cannot walk. The weight bear down against my shoulders whenever I try to wield anything, and-[b]" he holds his arm up to demonstrate, "[b]my hands shake, constantly. Even the simple forms and activities fail." He sighs. "Though the more cynical would (and have...)-" he mutters, "-said that this is the price of heroics! I know better. I have been punished for hubris. So now, I must make amends. I will hopefully rebuild and make things right. I have pledged my strength, little as it is, to this cause, so long as it is just, and I must try."
He smiles, a little sadly. "I must say: I envy you. It frustrates me to no end. I know there is nothing you can, or should do - you certainly cannot fix things by hurting yourself," he grows more serious for a moment, "-take care of your body! Be careful! - however, it still burns to have reminders. I do not hate you, in fact, I admire you... not entirely sure of why I'm mentioning, even... honesty, I guess. Just so if you can tell that I'm uncomfortable, you know it's not you.[/b]"
"Hah! Well, his company is welcome, as is yours. Please: sit! Oh, yes, good job, boy!" he first gestures to Thorrpe, then pets the puppy, when the dog sits.
"About me? Heh. An arrogant child who was punished by the spirits for hubris with weakness, clumsiness, and a tendency for things to go wrong, it seems - cups spilling, packs rearranging, and so on. I don't look it beyond my hair, but my parents always told me we were Koten, back in our ancestry. I spent my whole life learning everything I could to come here, be a great warrior and warlord, and eliminate evil." he becomes more dour for a moment, "I dishonored this land, it's people, and it's spirits with my foolishness. I failed my family, people, and chosen land. The spirits have taught me that. Now I must prove my worth, somehow." Mhar trembles for a short time, holding the dog gently.
Then, a bit forced, but more brightly (wiping the tears away), "Ah, but listen to me! And you? And your "Shadow" and dog? Tell me of yourself. How do you do this? It's quite amazing."
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A thought crosses her mind, however, and she pauses: the poor, crippled young man ... does he need help on the stairs? She looks around to see if she sees Mhar entering the monastery from the garden.
Mhar would bow (slowly and painfully), but decline. "Thank you. But... I need to learn to do things myself." he smiles, humiliated, yet appreciating the intent, "... but thank you. I appreciate the gesture. Your songs assist more than your hands. Or that thing you did to clean messes-" he flushes with shame, "-that... was... highly appreciated."
"You're welcome. Did ... I know our death and resurrection left you changed physically. Did the new shaking of your hands make it hard to control your spell? I assume that's what happened when you created the water..."
Shadow came to me in a time of great stress and fear. Little did I know but he has always been with me. As for this little dog, I have discovered that I have the power to call on friends of nature to assist me in times of trouble, though I have yet to figure out how to keep them and Shadow at my side at the same time. Usually I am unable to summon the same creature, but for some reason this little fellow seems to like you and always responds to my call. I lived my life with little purpose and I hope that now I have some, some of our companions seem wary of th monks and perhaps that is wise, but the way I see it I owe them. Perhaps whatever you did to fail together we can atone for.
The puppy gives one last lick then vanishes. Thorrpe takes moment and summons the puppy right on Mhar's lap and it renews his licking with vengeance.
Work related interference, I am going to be delayed from posting until some time tomorrow (Saturday).
Work related interference, I am going to be delayed from posting until some time tomorrow (Saturday).
I find nothing either saying hidden weapon gives the sneak attack. The thing with the fog is that they cant see the rogue to react to his attack. Just like jumping out from invisibility. Jezelyn can see Vem to react to her attacks. Hidden weapons do not deny dex bonuses to AC so there you go. Dex bonus is denied if your opponent is invisible or unable to be seen(fog trick). That or feint. Sorry Vem.
I've used this little trick since back in 3.5, so I know it works there. Pathfinder is obviously a continuation of 3.5 and I'm fairly certain it works; again referencing the Storm Oracle/Rogue who makes their attacks from inside fog to get sneak attacks on each of their arrows.
I'm just extrapolating why that build works to using a Sleight of Hand action from a spring loaded wrist sheath, I can only do mine once a round and only twice total, but the attack isn't witnessed so long as my opponent fails their Perception check.
I'll try to dig up more information tonight for sure, and I'm fine with any ruling really. But I definitely need one as it will affect my early levels significantly.
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ah the fog cloud works because the storm oracle cannot be seen due to concealment but they get the mystery to allow them to see through the mist thus their foe is not concealed. So in this instance it does not apply
I am 99.9% sure that your method does not work, as there is nothing that says drawing a hidden weapon makes your foe flat footed, you need feint to do that. Logically it makes sense that it wouldn't work either since Jezebel obviously would see you charging toward her, so she would be ready for your attack.
Exactly. Sleight of hand does not say enemy is denied dex bonus.
Yes you draw a weapon unoticed. Not make an unoticed attack.
1. No combat, all flat-footed.
2. Draw hidden weapon succesfully. They are flatfooted.
3. You get surprise round and attack flatfooted enemy.
4. Initiative. Maybe getting another chance for sneak attack again if you win initiative.
That's how hidden weapons work best. The wrist sheath is cool though because swift.
Soz for multiple posts. Im on my phone at work.
now all that said, i would not be opposed to a feat that allowed something like that
When drawing a hidden weapon during combat if your SoH exceeds opponents Percep by 5 or more then they are denied their dex bonus to AC for a single attack
or something like that.
I found it! I CAN do exactly what I said, however; it requires a feat I do not possess (sly draw). So there we are, 3 damage to Jezelyn :) she'll get hers next round it seems :p
It is amusing to me that a rogue needs 2 feats in order to do 1d4+1+1d6 while a fighter can do 2d8+10 with 2 chakrams and have a higher chance to hit lol. Pathfinder hates rogues :)
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Zayne looks at Mhar then up at his weapon.
You know I will never be able to wield this weapon like a dagger. Its just impossible. Too big. Too clumsy.
He then turns away from his weapon to look pointedly at Mhar.
But that is not what it was meant for. So that is not the way I wield it.
He then turns away from Mhar and walks away.
I would not envy me that much. I don't have magic.
Slight annoyance, she'll definitely be swapping weapons out ASAP. :)
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That it does sadly. Because even with that, feinting is still a standard action.
3feat tax
Quick draw sly draw and the improved feignt then quick feint or whatever
Yeah she isn't going to bother with it at all, it was just a way for her to get sneak attacks when she had to move. I was going to stick to daggers because if it for the character, but I'm not going to pay a crazy feat tax just to have a neat little trick that I get a better version of as soon as I hit level 2.
So the hunt for a new weapon begins. Shame double weapons count as one handed in the main hand.
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EDIT: options?
Butterfly knife?
Dart, jolting
Quadrens!!!!
Falcata
Wakizashi!!!
Urumi
Chakram (or crystal version?)
Rope Dart
Shuriken
Kyoketsu Shoge
The idea of a meteor hammer amused me if we get a weapon Proficiency from the training. But double weapons have rules that make them unusable with weapon finesse.
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Pretty sure Rope Darts function as a thrown weapon which makes them really terrible for me.
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The idea of a meteor hammer amused me if we get a weapon Proficiency from the training. But double weapons have rules that make them unusable with weapon finesse.
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Sorry, Vem. Didn't mean to mess up your character concept. :(
Maybe the GM would allow you to do that trick despite the rules?
Aaaaand, I guess now would be an suitably awkward time to bring up the question of ...*drum roll* ... Aquatic Terrain Rules?! (See d20pfsrd article.)
First, an important question for all... does three foot deep water count as chest deep for a medium creature? ...Because for a five-foot-tall person in real life it would be, but for a six-foot-tall person it wouldn't.
Second, is the pond pretty much uniformly three feet deep, or is it a slow shallow slope to a three foot deep center?
Third,
I had originally posted this before Vem acted (and before she declared her starting position):
Since Vem said she started at F8, I said I started at A8 so that my stated action of having targeted her with a 25-ft ray of frost could have been possible.
So, since the GM said there was no cover along the shore, based on the above post, my character would have stepped into the water at A8, where she would have been when Vem attacked her.
If the water there is chest deep (or perhaps if she crouched to make it chest deep?) then she would get a +8 bonus to AC against attacks made from characters on land (or on the raft.)
However, Vem said she jumped off the raft into the water before attacking, and she used an acrobatics check to do so. She made this part of a single move action. I'm curious how much she would be able to move across the raft, jump into the water, and trudge through the difficult terrain in a single move action. Can she indeed get to C8 in a single move?
If so, she would actually be in range to melee stab Jezelyn with her dagger instead of throwing it at her. Vem, would this be what she would have done? I think your damage would be the same either way.
Also, if the water is chest deep, would Vem take any attack penalties? I don't think so, since she has firm footing on the ground and the weapon is piercing. But, would Jezelyn get any extra defense from her because of the water, or no, since they're both in it together?
(I seriously didn't think we'd come to Jezelyn and Vem mud-wrestling this quickly. ;)
So, yeah, a bunch of questions that could affect a lot of characters in this upcoming pond combat...
GM, if you just want to make simplified rulings on things, including saying that the water can't be chest deep for anyone and Vem's trick works, I'm fine with that, and it would make for a really dramatic scene with Vem stabbing Jezelyn through the heart. (Just please don't let her die permanently! I really like this character!)
Finally, there's the question of how we win... You said we need to get six of our team on the raft, enough to outnumber them. But, what of we manage to get some of them off the raft, like Jezelyn has managed to do with Vem. As long as the number of our conscious team members on the raft outnumbers the number of their conscious team members on the raft, do we win? :)
And, do we win if this happens at any given point, or only if this is so at the end of a round of combat?
Thanks! Sorry to make things complicated!
EDIT: Another complication! a.k.a. Potential saving grace for Jezelyn:
If Vem couldn't make it to C8 because of jumping off the raft and the difficult terrain, and if the water is chest high, then she perhaps could not have thrown her dagger at all...
"Combat Adjustments Underwater. They apply whenever a character is swimming, walking in chest-deep water, or walking along the bottom of a body of water. ...
Ranged Attacks Underwater: Thrown weapons are ineffective underwater, even when launched from land. Attacks with other ranged weapons take a –2 penalty on attack rolls for every 5 feet of water they pass through, in addition to the normal penalties for range."
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Dear Cookie,
I could use a potion of Cure Serious Wounds.
Like, right now.
K thx bye.
Sincerely,
Jezelyn
After a few moments with Puppy, "You're right about the monks. I feel the same: we would be dead without them. It is difficult to see them as potential enemies. Still... I would not give my word blindly: that's why I added 'as long as your cause is just'. I won't break my word again, if I can help it. But their cause seems just."
Puppy poofs away. "I understand you can't do that all day." he says. "You are welcome to be here yourself, as well. You need not come bearing gifts of Puppy." he smiles slightly.
Sorry, Vem. Didn't mean to mess up your character concept. :(
Maybe the GM would allow you to do that trick despite the rules?Aaaaand, I guess now would be an suitably awkward time to bring up the question of ...*drum roll* ... Aquatic Terrain Rules?! (See d20pfsrd article.)
First, an important question for all... does three foot deep water count as chest deep for a medium creature? ...Because for a five-foot-tall person in real life it would be, but for a six-foot-tall person it wouldn't.
Second, is the pond pretty much uniformly three feet deep, or is it a slow shallow slope to a three foot deep center?
Third,
I had originally posted this before Vem acted (and before she declared her starting position):
Since Vem said she started at F8, I said I started at A8 so that my stated action of having targeted her with a 25-ft ray of frost could have been possible.
So, since the GM said there was no cover along the shore, based on the above post, my character would have stepped into the water at A8, where she would have been when Vem attacked her.If the water there is chest deep (or perhaps if she crouched to make it chest deep?) then she would get a +8 bonus to AC against attacks made from characters on land (or on the raft.)
However, Vem said she jumped off the raft into the water before attacking, and she used an acrobatics check to do so. She made this part of a single move action. I'm curious how much she would be able to move across the raft, jump into the water, and trudge through the difficult terrain in a single move action. Can she indeed get to C8 in a single move?
Honestly, she did her action before she knew how far away you were going to be from her. Being as you were at B9 technically, she may have just opted to throw 2 daggers at you and stay on the raft.
Oh but given that she is actually right next to Jezelyn, she would be much more satisfied with actually stabbing Jezelyn and not throwing at you. And actually, I undershot her, her acrobatics being a 16 would put her at B8; DC 15, she rolled a 16 with a running start.
Jezelyn turns away from Mhar and begins to walk quickly up the steps away from him, but thinks better of it before she's gotten more than a step or two away.
She pauses to wait for him and turns to face him again.
"It was definitely a spell, or at least a spell-like ability. I don't know why you would be chosen now, but you may well wish to focus on your blessings more than bemoan your handicaps. Could you create water again here, now? If you try and succeed, I'll dry it up...
Or, if you would prefer, we could go see if you're able to water the garden plants," she adds with a smile.
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(Is it chest deep, GM?)
So, shall we say Jezelyn was at B9 and Vem leaped to C8 next to her, melee stabbing Jezelyn for 3 damage?
My next question then is, do the people on the wobbly raft need to make an acrobatics check or a reflex save to stay on the raft since Vem ran across it and jumped off it?
EDIT:
Oh, but Vem may not have been able to jump more than 5 ft. off the raft after all, since from F8 she didn't have 10 ft. clear to get a running start...
"Finally, you can use the Acrobatics skill to make jumps or to soften a fall. The base DC to make a jump is equal to the distance to be crossed (if horizontal) or four times the height to be reached (if vertical). These DCs double if you do not have at least 10 feet of space to get a running start. The only Acrobatics modifiers that apply are those concerning the surface you are jumping from. If you fail this check by 4 or less, you can attempt a DC 20 Reflex save to grab hold of the other side after having missed the jump. If you fail by 5 or more, you fail to make the jump and fall (or land prone, in the case of a vertical jump)."
Thoughts?
"Ng." says Mhar, as if struck. "I... apologize. I did not mean insult." he looks deeply ashamed that he's questioned your honor. "I simply meant..." he trails off. After a moment of failing words, he takes up a new train of conversation, apparently unable to continue the other, "I... I shall think on it. Please. I am sorry, but... I need time to think." he asks. "Thank you." he adds, sincerely, a moment later.
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