Wand's 15 gp per 1d8+1 healed if you buy it.
Potions are 25 gp per 1d8+1 healed if you make it, unless they don't follow normal crafting rules (which may be the case, I haven't looked.)
If someone can make the wand, it drops to 7.5 gp per 1d8+1 healed.
On top of all that, don't forget that Mercy and Elise can now heal with lay on hands.
It is cheaper yes, but has it's limits in usability.
First, not everyone can use it, only a select few.
Second, there is only one. So you have to get the ones that can use it, to have it, and get to those who need it.
It can be a good after battle spam heal, but channeling is much better for scaling and refreshing daily.
Potions much better allow for emergency healing in combat, which is where I think magic item consumable healing has it's strengths.
Now, I'm not dead-set against it if most of the others want to do it, I just don't think it has as much utility as potions and why they cost more.
EDIT: Not to mention, those that carry potions get to choose when to heal themselves, and not wait for those that heal to be willing/able to do it for them.
All of those are true. I was just pointing it out in case someone hadn't considered it.
Also, Elise, Mercy, Paulus, Calcedon, Rhasuel, and Zev can also use a wand of CLW sans check. That's all but two members of the party. If six of you are down, I think the others are going to run and hope that they can comeback later with a rescue party unless they know that they can kill the last beastie or baddie.
I'll agree with you on the utility,. Potions can be used by anyone and it makes things a lot easier if the fighter can down one before coming to the cleric's aid and that can help keep anyone person from feeling like they're the healbot. It also avoids the issues with wands by allowing the healz to be spread across the party, so the GM can't just kidnap the guy with the wand to deprive you of resources. (Although that's no guarantee that the GM won't kidnap a party member or two to add a little urgency >:D)
That said, it's up to you guys what you want to do. I'm just along for the ride.
To add my opinion, if your burly fighter is spending action drinking a potion instead of hitting things, you are in very bad shape or out of combat. My two cents is that Paulus has tons of healing, and there are 4 other characters with utility healing. I think the 12 CL potions are plenty.
No worries, I actually enjoy spirited discussion.
I see the benefits, and understand the oft-used point of "actions healing are actions not killing". I just look at it this way, is it better to heal yourself when the healer can't get to you in time, or hope you kill the enemy before you get dropped and have even less actions? EDIT: then the healer has to heal while threatened.
Basically, if the potion keeps me up the one more round it takes for the healer to reach me, then it's not a wasted action. Then there's the risk. I'll take almost guaranteed healing, vice a chance to hit any day. Maybe that's just because dice don't like me, and tend to fail when I need them most.
EDIT: then the healer has to heal while threatened.
Speaking of healing in combat, one thing that alleviates this that we should consider investing is the reach metamagic feat; my tabletop Planescape has come to love the reach feat for their healer, and it has made a world of difference in keeping her alive. Basically, you give your primary healer (in this case Paulus) a minor metamagic reach rod; for the low cost of 3000g or half that if crafted, you can do ranged cure light, moderate and serious wounds. Really helpful for ugly combat situations like the one we just experienced.
Even better at sixth level when for Clerics with the healing domain that empowered all their cure spells.
As an aside, why do Warpriests get access to Empowered healing at level one with the blessings and Clerics don't? I mean, should not the Cleric be the more capable healer? Just my two cents, don't mean to get off on a rant here.
No worries, I actually enjoy spirited discussion.
I see the benefits, and understand the oft-used point of "actions healing are actions not killing". I just look at it this way, is it better to heal yourself when the healer can't get to you in time, or hope you kill the enemy before you get dropped and have even less actions? EDIT: then the healer has to heal while threatened.
Basically, if the potion keeps me up the one more round it takes for the healer to reach me, then it's not a wasted action. Then there's the risk. I'll take almost guaranteed healing, vice a chance to hit any day. Maybe that's just because dice don't like me, and tend to fail when I need them most.
True, but it could also fall under the heading of "preventing damage is better than healing damage." It could also be argued that unless the opponent can't hurt you for as much as you healed, you aren't really that much better off.
Then again, I tend to favor heavy hitters that like to hit hard enough and often enough that I can drop a baddie in one hit.
I'd just like to point out that CLW appears on the ranger spell list as well. Meaning there's only one person in the party wh wouldn't be ale to use a wand, and that's the one person most likely to get herself in trouble.
I'm at a conference, and probably wont be able to post until Wed. Sorry for the delay.
Huh...didn't know rangers had CLW now. Nice.
Actually, I'm not sure what to do with Combat Style - I was thinking on not doing Rapid Shot, and going with a 'sharp-shooter' (Precise Shot/Far Shot, etc), mainly so there's some difference with Dorian and me.
Yeah, it's a 2nd-level spell, but it's on the list. Also, it's just pointed out to me that Nic is the only member of the party who'll never get any spell casting ability. Nawwww.
Mercy doesn't either - with her archetype choice...
Sisterhood of No Spells :)
Nic/Annabelle - any thoughts on the MW Studded Armour?
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Wow, I somehow spaced on that. Yeah, masterwork studded leather is pretty much as good as it gets - until the mithral chain shirt enters play >:D
I'm trying to keep distance, being an archer, so I'll leave it to a more front-liner.
Nic, are you taking the MW Studded Leather, then? Annabelle has quite graciously offered it up. :)
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Ugh, I gotta start being clearer. Yeah, I'll take it. Thanks, Annabelle. Maybe now I won't get stabbed so much!
It was 90% clear, I'm just a 100% kind of dude. ;)
Salsa, I guess just let us know when we get our funds. I'll clear out the 'sold' loot at that point.
My brain isn't working so well lately. Between the delay in getting back on my meds, and the accursed Australian weather (35 f!*%ing degrees [that's 95 for those of you using Fahrenheit]) I'm feeling a bit all over the place. >.>
And here I thought we had bad weather! Ouch...
And it's quite alright. You're just fine. :)
Ah worry not, young lass. The one sure thing about the weather is that it will always change. It will all be right as rain in no time.
In any case, I didn't really mean to break the game with a 35 diplomacy. I was just trying to make a really good violinist with connections all over the city. He's descended from the Fordyce boy who won the breaching festival, and I figured that he'd need something special to be able to do that. So he's a bit of a diplomancer.
At least I didn't add the +4 once per day and a nat 20 to bump it to 40. If you don't really want to give me too much info and you want to give me something special for such a high roll, you can just have me receive the information faster than usual. I'm fine with such things.
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Great. Not only am I melting in the heat and stuck with the modem from hell, I've also realized I don't know how to bard.
And don't start on the weather changing. It won't start to cool down in merry old Aussieland until, what, April? This is just the beginning.
My mother may be a third-generation Australian lass, but my father came over here from Yorkshire, and GUESS WHO I TAKE AFTER. -___-
EDIT: I just realized how much I whinge. Apparently I get that from my English side...
Dang Ronnie, that's rough. It's cooling down here, finally, but it's 50 F in the morning and in the low eighties for the high, meaning it's still too warm for long sleeves. :| Try not to get too hot.
@all: Work is picking up, Posting is likely to be more sporadic, Sorry if it takes me a bit to post.
Oh and Cal, you didn't break anything. I wasn't expecting it and funnily enough, you didn't even need the roll. Helping out is part of the adventure. :D
I hate the heeeeeeeeat *whine*
But nah, hasn't been a good day. The weather is the biggest factor. Oh my god. It's awful. Then there's the fact that I've been averaging three hours of sleep per night - again, due to the heat. Minor health issues, both physical and mental (okay, mental ones not so minor), stress at trying to organize things, not eating, not leaving the house, and generally not being a well and functioning human being.
Help me guys, I don't know how to adult. >.>
Don't worry Nic, in April you'll be enjoying the cooling weather, laughing as Salsa and I tremble in dread at the approaching summer months.
Cal's performance is just ridiculous. Let's just crown him and get it over with.
Approaching? Dude, I live in Alabama. We get five and a half months of summer with two weeks at each end where the weather won't make up it's dang mind about whether to be hot or cold. We don't get a spring and a fall.
(Actually we do, it's just that it goes from 75-80 to 50-60 in like two days.)
Summer: up to 45 degrees Celsius. Australia forgets what rain is.
Autumn: Australia remembers what rain is. Up to 35 degrees Celsius.
Winter: rain. Sometimes. Up to 30 degrees Celsius.
Spring: see summer. Add magpies.
Approaching? Dude, I live in Alabama. We get five and a half months of summer with two weeks at each end where the weather won't make up it's dang mind about whether to be hot or cold. We don't get a spring and a fall.
(Actually we do, it's just that it goes from 75-80 to 50-60 in like two days.)
As previously (like weeks ago, likely) noted, I live in East Central Mississippi and get practically the same weather you do. :p
We don't get quite that hot, admittedly, Ronnie, but the humidity makes up for it. Plus the vegetation will wreck anyone with allergies.
I'm not joking about the magpies. They're a+#%*%+s.
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Kentucky actually has four seasons. :)
I used to live in Alaska, however, and there we had five (Six if you separate "Winter" and "-20 with an accumulated 5 feet of snow"): Winter, Breakup (a several week period where everything turns to mud because of snow melt), Spring (2-3 weeks), Summer (late may - august), and fall (a couple weeks).
The jerks of the avian community, I see. I usually classify birds into: 'That is a big circling bird with a long neck, it is a vulture.' 'That is a smaller circling bird, it is a hawk.' Or 'that bird is pecking at the ground/sitting on a powerline and being loud, it is a bird.'
Alaska is very far, and too close to that place that always looks white on the globe. I'll take your word for it. :)
You know how to bard, it can be done all sorts of ways. I just decided to make my character one of the best violin players in the world. The fact I get versatile performance to bluff and diplomacy is just kind of a bonus. Also, any rolls of diplomacy over 25 are pretty much overkill. Most hostile creatures won't give you time to talk, and hard to find information usually has that kind of DC.
In any case, I kinda use my rolls for guideposts on how I role-play. If I roll high my character feels confident. If I roll low, he's not so sure. I think it's a fun part of the game, regardless of whether or not it's actually useful.
In Montana we had Black-billed Magpies. And they were pretty annoying there too.
The Empty Throne has been filled. All Hail King Strings!!
On the weather front - try "sunny" Aberdeen, Scotland... We get a couple of weeks a year which masquarades as summer (20-28 degrees C) and random weather rolls of hail and snow between the months of November to April.
Outwith that its a consistent 8-10 degrees, with feckin rain and plenty o' haar. And they wonder why us Scot's are dour lol.
On the corvid front - gotta say I love them, crows and magpies are just so damn smart. Spent time in both Texas and Alaska and have a soft spot for Grackles and Ravens.
For plain nasty without them being all beak and claw - you can't beat our local Herring Gulls... Big, mean and Jurassic raptor smart- they are very cool and have perfected the dive and grab of food and swag. Throw in they actively hunt local rabbits and pigeons and Dorito crisps :)
Oh, I agree, Mercy. Corvids are wonderful birds! We have big ol' crows everywhere here - named our state football* team after them and everything.
Magpies, though... There's one who hangs out at my train station, and has pecked a piece out of my scalp before. Feathery little s*&~...
* For reference, whenever I say football, I'm referring to AFL (Australian Football League, or 'Aussie rules'), which is completely different to American football and European football (which we call soccer).
+1 hp (fav. class)
Combat Style (Archery): Precise Shot.
Skills: 6+Int (0) = 6 pts.
Heal +1, Perception +1, Sense Motive +1, Stealth +1, Survival +1, Swim +1
So, on levelling, Nic gains rather little:
- +1 BAB, CMB, CMD
- +1 to Reflex saves
- hp*
- Charmed Life 1/day - add Charisma modifier (+3) to saving throw before making roll
- 6 skill points - acrobatics, bluff, escape artist, intimidate, perception, sense motive
* Salsa! I built Nic before the ACG was finalized, I believe, and as such, didn't have the option of the favoured class bonuses. Would you be alright with me changing my 1st-level selection from +1 hit point to + 1/4 panache? If so, I'll take that for both levels; if not, I'll take hp for both instead.
To all: I'm aware that I tend to rant, rave, ramble, and whine. I do it in several of my games; Salsa's seem to be particularly bad (or good?) bringing out my chatty side, and the part of me that treats this as my diary and such, probably because everybody in them seems to be positive and awesome. If it ever offends or annoys anyone, or if you'd like me to start spoilering my rants and complaints about life so you don't have to put up with my crap, just let me know. I can take it. (If you're gentle.)
On a similar note: my internet connection is being spotty as hell at home. It does this every so often. If I go a day or two without posting, it'll be either internet or a mental breakdown (possibly caused by dodgy internet).
As for craptacular levels, try Level 2 for a Cleric. You get...well, nothing really. An extra 1st level spell. 2 base skill points. Woot.
Well when you call me (and everyone else) positive and awesome, that's too much positive reinforcement for me to turn down. You worry too much, methinks. :)
Oh man, yeah, clerics. Clerics and wizards may have but they get, like, no extra goodies and such. I feel ya. (is playing a wizard in a Kingmaker game with Rhasuel [and has not yet reached 2nd level but is jealous of the arcanist who at least gets exploits n s%#&])
On the subject of worrying, well, how do I put this lightly... I'm a wreck. I'm on the autism spectrum (used to be called Asperger's, but apparently isn't anymore, at least not in the Australian education system), and I've been battling depression and anxiety for about eight years now. I have low self-esteem, I'm insecure, and I have trouble feeling like I can do anything well (see my "I don't know how to bard" statement above - it may look like BS, but it's very true to me). On days when everything seems to go wrong, it's because I'm too stupid, I'm too slow, I'm too lazy, etc, etc.
I take things personally. Very personally. Things like someone pointing out a humorous typo cause me crazy amounts of stress, depending on my mood. On a good day, I can laugh it off. But if it's already after a string of unfortunate occurances, it's another nail in the coffin. There are days when I don't want to do anything but cry. There are days when I hate the world and everything in it.
Ranting helps me get everything off my chest, and if a game has an active discussion thread that's full of people chatting about stuff that has nothing to do with the actual game, I'm more likely to start ranting about crap, making mountains out of molehills, complaining about my day, yadda yadda yadda. I rant to people more than I should, and discussion threads like this - where we talk about the f!!$ing weather, I mean come on, that's the most cliche small-talk out there - feels more like I'm talking to people, to other, actual, real human beings, than a game that has no discussion whatsoever, or a game that only has discussion regarding loot division or oh hey we levelled up guys.
So when I say that the people here are awesome, I f&%#ing mean it, because none of you have told me to shut the hell up and get on with the game. It's like we're all buddies actually sitting down to shoot the s$+%, roll some dice, and have fun, as opposed to sitting down and breathing over our character sheets in a white-knuckle grip and taking everything way too seriously. That makes me feel like you care about a stranger on the other side of the gorram world, and f%@!, that's something.
That said, seriously. If anyone gets annoyed by my b&$!@ing and moaning, let me know and I'll gladly spoiler it. It takes, what, an extra three seconds. I'll do it.
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Hey, we're all people. None of us are robots, constructs, monkeys, dolphins, cartoons or turnips. We are thinking, feeling, living, breathing people and that's a valuable thing. You make choices every day, you speak words every day you can discover truth every day, you are able to contribute every day. Even if others don't consider you valuable, even if you don't consider you valuable, it does not ignore the fact that you are, indeed a person and that is special.
On our planet, we don't have any other beings capable of typing, or playing instruments, or knitting sweaters, or creating stories. We don't know of any other planets where there are people who can do these things. Don't let the short-sighted people get you down. They are important too, whether they see it or not.
Don't worry about labels others place on you either. You are not the sum total of your problems, or your perceived flaws. You are not your sickness, your bad habits, your crimes or your attitudes. You are a person who has these things, but such things do not define you anymore than any other thing you might hold in your hands.
You have many good things going for you. You have peace, food, shelter, wealth enough to be on the internet, relative health, a relatively free country, a family who has taken care of you until now, and an education that allows you to spell most of your words correctly and communicate with others. There is beauty in the sky above you, the weather around you, the land you stand on, and in you that no one can take away.
We've all struggled with the same things, we all deal with the same troubles. I have struggled myself with depression for seven years. I've been so low I could hardly get out of bed. I've been so lonely I've felt like my heart would break. I've been so confused and hurt that I could barely speak. I've been betrayed, lied to, cursed at, belittled, insulted, beaten, and run over. I've done many things I regret, many things that annoy and have even harmed others. And I'm not alone.
And in all this, we all have the opportunity, the responsibility and the privilege to demonstrate kindness, love, generosity and compassion. To bless those around you with the same things that help you to keep going. You can laugh, cry, write, share and love. You have all the things that money cannot buy. We all do. All of us humans are related to each other. We all come from one place. You are our sister.
So type all you want. Complain, vent, let it out. We'll listen, offer advice, and maybe even lecture you. We'll say things you won't agree with and some you will find invaluable. If you get too long winded, we'll skim ahead. We'll have fun together and encourage one another, share what little wisdom we have with each other. We're here to cooperate, have fun, and delight one another with our creativity, wit and imagination. I can confidently say we are not here for a power trip or to destroy or tear down one another. Salsa's made a safe place for this so keep your chin up. We're behind you all the way.
Wonderfully written, Cal. I can't add much to that besides a +2 and...
My daughter, who is 6, has an autism spectrum disorder (relatively mild), so while my brain can't comprehend what you must go through on a day to day basis (just like I can't understand why people can't do mental math), I can surely empathize.
Just hang in there and vent away. :)
+3 on what Cal said.
And I'll just add that it's better to talk things out than to let it fester. I've bottled things inside before and trust me, you are much better off venting it in any harmless way you can.
That said, I'm sorry for the dearth of posts this week. Got slammed at work and then hung out with a friend until 11:30 last night. I'll try to have something up in all my games tonight.
How dare you put your real life before us! I demand restitution.
That being said, where's the hot blonde I've been trying to flirt with?
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Great group, great posts and great points. There's little I can say that hasn't already been said far more eloquently above.
What I will say is that these boards and this amazing game we play, and these boards that offer community and friendship, never cease to astound and amaze me. The game gives us escapism and an opportunity to indulge in creative, escapist licence...
However I never considered was you people! I never imagined that the community - and it truly is a community - that thrives here on these boards would offer such friendship, support and empathy on a global scale.
I've personally made some amazing friends here on the boards, some of which I'll likely never actually meet in person (but I strive ever to do so :) yet here we are, offering words, thoughts and genuine feeling whilst crafting tales fit for the sagas.
so we should indulge, enjoy, appreciate and above all else feel like we belong... because we all do.
Oh my god, you guys. After reading all this, I needed to fetch a cuppa, hug myself, and cry a little because I felt so overwhelmed. :') I usually carry a copy of Desiderata in my wallet, but I might just have a new affirmation.
On a more light-hearted note - Paulus, you call that flirting? *shakes head* Looks like you need a fiery redhead to teach you a thing or two.
And Salsa - a repeat of my question regarding swapping out my 1st-level favoured class bonus. ^^'
Yes, sorry. Scatter-brained, sorry. That'll be fine.
Woohoo! I now have three and a half panache!
No worries on being scatterbrained. I'd forget my own head if it wasn't screwed on tight enough. Which reminds me, when I had an x-ray a while back, it was revaled that my head is, in fact, on crooked. You can imagine my father had a field day with that...