DM Rah |
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I’ve been running a homebrew modified Kingmaker AP for Butterfly for years (Mariner also played through the first book). I moved it to PbP when I moved out of Cali, and was hoping to merge it with another PbP that is running parallel, but the big paizo blackout last month has killed all momentum in it (nudge, nudge, Mariner).
Now I’m a little worried that Butterfly’s going to tackle the video game to get his fix...
"Fearless" |
I am sure the game follows the AP in a meta sense but not sure how close in detail it does as I have not played or ran Kingmaker yet. I keep hear it is a great AP though I think you definitely need to find the right group for it to keep pushing since it is a complete sandbox.
"Fearless" |
Here are the minimum requirements according to Steam. Definitely don't need premium hardware.
a 64-bit processor and operating system
OS: Windows 7 64-bit or newer
Processor: Intel Celeron 1037U @ 1.80GHz
Memory: 4 GB RAM
Graphics: Intel HD Graphics 3000
Storage: 30 GB available space
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible Sound Card
So if using a windows PC go to the windows symbol in lower left corner, then the little gear symbol (Settings), Click on System and scroll to the bottom and click on About. This will give you your PC's hardware info.
I don't have a gaming rig by any standards. I can't even run ARK: Survival evolved on my PC but this game runs perfectly fine.
"Brother Butterfly" |
Yes, Kingmaker is an amazing sandbox format. Since the story has stalled until Mariner and others start back up - I have actually used the same guy to jump into Cat's Carrion Crown game. I toned him down a whole lot, but it is so great to have such a rich background already built in for (former Lord)Bronin Dohari.
Plus, the campaign seems to need a leader type- which works perfectly for his personality.
"Brother Butterfly" |
So, I read the attack by Weirilai and I thought, " Damn +14 to hit on a bite attack that drains dex AND does roughly 6D6 damage? This isn't even the end boss of the module..... Is this a Starfinder enemy and they put it in the wrong book? "
And, if you play Starfinder and you get the joke, I hope it made you laugh... because all the enemies are crazy powered with OMG to hit bonuses.
"Fearless" |
There are some weird things but mostly you have to break it down into damage categories.
Kinetic (bludgeoning, slashing, piercing)
Elemental (fire, cold, acid, electricity)
Cause nearly everything has some sort of resistance or immunity so you need to carry multiple types of weapons.
Then weapons and armor have several upgrade slots you can fill. With hundreds of options it can be a bit overwhelming but they break it down into item level similar to Pathfinder 2E.
Otherwise it is generally the same.
One of the main downsides I believe is that there is not a full on caster. The Technomancer and Mystic seem to be more of a mixture, half caster half fighter.
I am hoping the next class they introduce will be a full on caster with more spells to choose from.
"The Mariner" |
That 100s of options makes me still timid on grabbing SF. But perhaps that is good as means of delaying meta/optimizing, and focus more on the roleplay aspect. At least that's how I would approach it. I played Space Shackles (Skulls Shackles) with RPBlue and Mike Tuholski with spacy-rules, and it was totally fun.
The Zane |
The Zane is loving Starfinder! But that's mostly because of the characters and roleplaying -- The rules and options are that bad from a Fighter/Soldier perspective.
I am -1 of Forget Starfinder.
I have not seen American Vandal. I will do that.
Plus I DO have the Kingmaker PC game. I was a early supporter.... but work is so overwhelming I won't get to play it until January.
"Fearless" |
This Kingmaker game is addictive. I am hoping now that they have a good template that they start doing some other stories like Rise of the Runelords, ect.
PF2 is roughly the same format as Starfinder, except that every ability you get is a list of feats to choose from. SO many choices but it is not too bad once you break it down.
"Fearless" |
Exactly! When you are just looking at 4-5 choices rather than pages upon pages it helps! I am liking the new Herolab layout as well. Plus I have had all kinds of rules questions concerning proficiency, ect that it helps me figure out an answer.
This was the stuff that was hardest for me to understand at first.
1. Like what happens with a wizard wearing heavy armor when not proficient. (He just takes a -2 (-4 now with errata 1.3) to both AC's on top of what the armor already gives for being untrained)
So a level 1 wizard that found a breastplate and puts it on. His AC would stay the same but his TAC would drop by 2.
AC= 10 + 3 (Dex) + 1 (Character Level) -4 (Proficiency Untrained) + 4 (Breastplate) = 14
TAC= 10 + 3 (Dex) + 1 (Character Level) -4 (Proficiency Untrained) + 1 (Breastplate) = 12
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2. Arcane spell failure is now gone.
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3. What level magic armor and weapons are for purchasing.
Expert Level armor = 2nd level
Master level armor = 7th level
Armor Potency +1 = 3rd level
Armor Potency +2 = 7th level
So an Expert +1 armor would be 3rd level item.
A Master +1 Armor would be 7th level item.
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4. Only Fighters get Attacks of Opportunity now.
DM Rah |
I see what P2 is trying to do by making the same basic calculations for skills/proficiencies/saves/etc. I think I will like it once it settles in my brain, but right now I’m struggling with the formula.
Removing arcane spell failure: is a mistake. Since the beginning of the game it has been a staple that arcane casters just can’t normally wear armor. It’s one of those things that makes dnd iconic.
Establishing levels for purchasing items: I know this just a guideline, it it is a f@#%ing stupid awful idea. I really hated when Starfinder did this, and if it’s being floated to P2 then someone needs to be fired at paizo. It feels like forced metagaming within the rules system.
Attacks of opportunity: I feel like they should have thrown them out rather than give access to only one class, which leads me to an issue I have with Feats.
Feats: I hate what they’ve done to feats. It seems they’ve decided they didn’t like that any character class could potentially take any feat they qualified for. I think limiting some of them to certain classes will limit player creativity.
"Fearless" |
Agreed on all of it. I think it is just going to take me time.
+1 on all of the feats. I think leaving all of the feats wide open for everyone is that it allowed you to create whatever you wanted with any class.
Granted the level on items is almost a moot point when you normally can't afford something of a higher level anyways and you can still use what you find out in the world.
So why even add level requirements for purchasing when the gold / credits does that for you anyways.
"Brother Butterfly" |
Mariner, those are insanely bad rolls for you. You have such a bonus to hit- especially with the first attack... this should be easy for you.
Wow. I am astonished at the diceroller right now.
"The Mariner" |
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"The Mariner" wrote:WWRD
What would Rah do?
Inquisitor (black powder inquisition)
Or
Investigator (sleuth archetype)
Good time to pick this topic up again... Sleuth has been on my top play list, not necessarily for Aons, but actually makes good sense. He'd be a bumbling gumshoe, something like Dragnet internal dialog, a lot more like Police Squad.
::jazzy saxophone:: She had a smile that looked like a raccoon trying to swallow a spatula sideways. I was obliged to remove it with a crowbar.
"Cats" |
Because I've been gaming with myself for many many years and I know when I'm starting to grind cats, I'm going to politely step back if you all are going to continue on, zany scheme and all.
I know that Cats wouldn't continue and I've made that clear, but that's not enough of a reason. But mostly, it's gone from frustration-fun to frustration-frustation for me right now in this catting 'day'.
Rather than be a burden or a problem, I think I'm going to step back and invite one of you to GMPC or PCPC Cats through the rest of this.
I think we'll all be better served if I take a calm step cat.
Most of Cats' attack and defenses are in his last combat post and since he has no dailies nor abilities left (nor will anyone take a break to daylight so that they can be recovered), he should be an easy play.
"Cats" |
If Cats is truly done for the day, then he should sit out. I don’t believe in GMPCing against character wishes.
Uh, I think it's clear that you have my expressed wish to continue and use Cats. I'm just going to sit out for the sake of my frustration level. Please, use and abuse Cats to your content.
"Brother Butterfly" |
BB is also ready to rest and okay with going upstairs.
I shouldn't have suggested the idea and just agreed to head upstairs.
Sorry for adding to the frustration.
I realize that I get a bit manic with my ideas. Sorry again Cats, I hope that my apology helps subside the frustration and gets us back to roleplaying and advancing the story.
"The Mariner" |
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Nice catch! I should give you another bottle cap.
But I won’t.
If anyone of you have read Mark Roger's Tomokato the Samurai Cat...
Minions: Look boss, we're really tired, do we have to go after them?
Master Vampire: Yes.
Minions: Well, can you give us a raise?
Master: No.
Minions: Well, just metaphorically speaking.
Master: Um, No.
Minions: How about eschatologically speaking?
Master: You'll get a raise at the end of time? -Sure.
"Cats" |
If anyone of you have read Mark Roger's Tomokato the Samurai Cat...
Minions: Look boss, we're really tired, do we have to go after them?
Master Vampire: Yes.
Minions: Well, can you give us a raise?
Master: No.
Minions: Well, just metaphorically speaking.
Master: Um, No.
Minions: How about eschatologically speaking?
Master: You'll get a raise at the end of time? -Sure.
I’m gunna go ahead and give his comment a bottlecat. Nice.
"The Mariner" |
Sometimes I feel like I'm playing in the Dark Ages alongside characters from the future, ala Fearless/Cats swift-free-immediate abilities vs 'I throw a rock at her'.
Another case in point, my PFS group has a samsaran wizard with racial ability that gives him Cure class feature, "Oh yeah, I can cast CMW, lemme lightning bolt them first."
wtf, that used to be called Theurge.
"Brother Butterfly" |
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I liked both the Graphic Novel and the Movie for The Watchmen! This is exciting news, if they do it right..... but the best Watchmen story of them all is right here on these pages and thousands of posts.
Seriously, I could see a TV show or Movie with these characters being a huge NetFlix hit.