I would suggest you check the Secrets of Magic product thread.
Ei! This way this is change everything about casters!
5e casting was not what was announced, what was said was flexible prepared casting where it will reduce the number of prepared spells to make the casting a little more spontaneous.
If I would guess something along the lines of 2 spells per spell level (instead of 3) and without signature.
I know 5e style casting has been announced as well as the others on the product description.What's your source for this exactly? Curious if they gave more details on other stuff as well. I read there will be new casting systems but nothing that specific.
I believe this was discussed on the podcast they did a couple weeks ago. Check the blog for a link and name, but it happened on a Friday. I want to say the 26th, but I can't fully recall.
Aaaah!
I was thinking that wizards and witches would become more interesting.
Which is what 5e casting is unless you want to be incredibly pedantic.5e casting was not what was announced, what was said was flexible prepared casting where it will reduce the number of prepared spells to make the casting a little more spontaneous.
If I would guess something along the lines of 2 spells per spell level (instead of 3) and without signature.
Totally different actually, without signature would mean that would still need to prepare the spell in the right lvl and 2 spells per spell lvl would mean that you would have less spells than a spontaneous caster. The advantage is that can change completely every day.
And like I wrote, it's only a guess.
Obviously Paizo developers aren't going to specifically reference 5e as the inspiration for the alternate rules set. Even with the protections against copyrighting game mechanics that'd be a damn good way to end up in court.
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It is not like D&D 5e in the sense that D&D 5e has no traditional Vancian spell preparation, so there is nothing to distinguish that style from traditional Vancian preparation within the scope of that game.
What the podcast said was that flexible preparation would grant more flexibility in casting prepared spells at a cost of being able to prepare fewer spells than a traditional Vancian prepared caster, but exact details as to how that would work were never given.
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I believe this was discussed on the podcast they did a couple weeks ago. Check the blog for a link and name, but it happened on a Friday. I want to say the 26th, but I can't fully recall.I know 5e style casting has been announced as well as the others on the product description.What's your source for this exactly? Curious if they gave more details on other stuff as well. I read there will be new casting systems but nothing that specific.
Thank you. Here is the link for everyone else. Vancian preparation was brought up around 40:30.
Logan states that Vancian preparation will be similar to the Arcanist's version of casting. I am looking forward to that. As someone who has relied on PFS for play, I am hoping these rules are PFS legal as well.
5e casting was not what was announced, what was said was flexible prepared casting where it will reduce the number of prepared spells to make the casting a little more spontaneous.
If I would guess something along the lines of 2 spells per spell level (instead of 3) and without signature.
Sounds even more restricting than Spontaneous, where they get 3 or 4 spells known and can cast 3 spells a day, with Signature options to make use of their higher level spell slots, and feats to expand said Signature options.
If that's the case then I'll pass on the optional rule, even if I did prefer it over the traditional casting of PF1.
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One thing I was thinking about is if paizo might be doing a live play with a summoner/magus soon. They did something similar with band of bravos before the apg came out with roark being a swashbuckler, I thought it was a cool way to draw people in.
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Obviously Paizo developers aren't going to specifically reference 5e as the inspiration for the alternate rules set. Even with the protections against copyrighting game mechanics that'd be a damn good way to end up in court.I mean, most of 5e is released under the OGL so using it wouldn't present a problem. But beyond that, they could go with Arcanist casting, Neo-Vancian casting, or Arcana Unearthed/Evolved casting.
Paizo keeps referecing "the world's oldest fantasy roleplaying game" without ever naming it since the related brand name is not part of the OGL under which Pathfinder is published, but a trademark. I am sure that any mentioned of 5E would be similarly obscured.
Humbly,
Yawar
Logan states that Vancian preparation will be similar to the Arcanist's version of casting. I am looking forward to that. As someone who has relied on PFS for play, I am hoping these rules are PFS legal as well.
He said nothing of the sort. By definition, Vancian casting is preparing (memorizing) a spell and the losing (forgetting) it once you cast it. Therefore, Flexible Preparation (which evidently will resemble the Arcanist method of preparing and casting spells in some way) is not Vancian preparation.
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Logan states that Vancian preparation will be similar to the Arcanist's version of casting. I am looking forward to that. As someone who has relied on PFS for play, I am hoping these rules are PFS legal as well.He said nothing of the sort. By definition, Vancian casting is preparing (memorizing) a spell and the losing (forgetting) it once you cast it. Therefore, Flexible Preparation (which evidently will resemble the Arcanist method of preparing and casting spells in some way) is not Vancian preparation.
Lol. I just realized less than an hour ago that I said "Vancian preparation" and not "Flexible preparation" but it was too late to edit.
It looks like we might be getting a stone order for druids (going by the oread mentioning them in the LOAG
It looks like we might be getting a stone order for druids (going by the oread mentioning them in the LOAG
I noticed that too. I'm expecting more subclass options for all of the casting classes (schools, bloodlines, doctrines, and so on).
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I hope they choose to share about the solution for Striking Spell they went with, like at Paizo live or something. Its my biggest worry about the book, everything else just sounds amazing.
I hope they choose to share about the solution for Striking Spell they went with, like at Paizo live or something. Its my biggest worry about the book, everything else just sounds amazing.
Can I ask if there's going to be a spell to summon a magic sword? I feel like you would know. Thank u
I hope they choose to share about the solution for Striking Spell they went with, like at Paizo live or something. Its my biggest worry about the book, everything else just sounds amazing.Can I ask if there's going to be a spell to summon a magic sword? I feel like you would know. Thank u
hah, I hope so, spells like that tend to be among my favorites-- I had a dual wielding bladesinger in 5e who used a shadowblade in one hand back before the spell was nerfed.
Death and Desert druids, ho!
And we are definitely due for new doctrines, as well.
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Death and Desert druids, ho!
And we are definitely due for new doctrines, as well.
Non-standard druids are one of my favorite fantasy tropes. Blight Druids are excellent, as are Urban Druids that commune with the rats and the crows.
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I hope they choose to share about the solution for Striking Spell they went with, like at Paizo live or something. Its my biggest worry about the book, everything else just sounds amazing.
This is a wild guess, but I think we’ll get a preview of that sort during Paizocon. Unless I’m mistaken, that was when we were introduced to the Investigator’s Devise a Stratagem as well as when we got previews for the APG classes and some of the Archetype mechanics
I hope they choose to share about the solution for Striking Spell they went with, like at Paizo live or something. Its my biggest worry about the book, everything else just sounds amazing.This is a wild guess, but I think we’ll get a preview of that sort during Paizocon. Unless I’m mistaken, that was when we were introduced to the Investigator’s Devise a Stratagem as well as when we got previews for the APG classes and some of the Archetype mechanics
I wrote Paizo live, but I meant Paizocon, so yeah I absolutely agree.
I hope they choose to share about the solution for Striking Spell they went with, like at Paizo live or something. Its my biggest worry about the book, everything else just sounds amazing.This is a wild guess, but I think we’ll get a preview of that sort during Paizocon. Unless I’m mistaken, that was when we were introduced to the Investigator’s Devise a Stratagem as well as when we got previews for the APG classes and some of the Archetype mechanics
Paizo will probably skip Paizo Live for the month of May so they can showcase all the spoilers they want for Mwangi Expanse and Secrets of Magic for Paizo Con's streams. Hopefully we'll get details of the changes coming up for the Magus and Summoner in a Q&A section.
Maybe we'll get small details about SoM in April's Paizo Live, but I figure they'd show off Mwangi Expanse stuff then, since it comes out at the end of June. Our deepest dives into SoM will likely be Paizo Con in May and the Paizo Live stream for June.
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I would've said that they haven't said much about class options in this book, but the tidbit about stone druid is making me think maybe there might be some stuff...
Also Guns and gears is more martial than magic, in a way.