Lets try to get away, who knows, maybe it hasn't even noticed us. If we can come back prepared, we'll have a much better shot at it. If it pursues us, then we go at it til it drops or we do.
I agree.
Mmm...yeah I think that might be the best option for now as well. At the very least, it might give us the chance to get out, then come back down with some weapons that will actually be effective against it (i.e., slashing weapons, wand of burning hands, etc.). And if it chases us, then we fight it! It's not like our tactical position could get that much worse!
So how about first we see if it attacks us, then if so Oren and Val should try to distract it with rations. Then we try to get out. If that doesn’t work, we will have to fight it and see what happens.
Yep. Float it some rations. Keep retreating until we get to one of the skum bodies. See if it will munch on the skum and give us time to escape.
Given it is here along with the skum, they presumably have it somewhat daunted so maybe it won't even attack us.
We will need to get everything Identified ASAP. Might as well as ask the Professor if he will trade us for the pictogram info I translated with my spell magic for simply identifying most of the rest of the things we found so far...
Once we clean out the area I can promise him a personal look as well. Could he suggest a meaning for the machine we found too?
Would the professor be interested on being put on retainer? Say 100gp a week for basic knowledge skill use and identification? Heavy research and spell casting would be negotiable of course.
That's a good plan. Having an expert on retainer for identification and such would be really useful for those times when we roll badly on ID checks. I do have one scroll of Identify, but that's really only good for one time use.
1. We should not wait more than a single day.
2. We have the wand of water breathing still. Any chance we can get a wand of 'Free Swim' or some scrolls in one day? That in itself would save us a bunch of time and effort for those of us with no real swim capability. Of course every caster EXCEPT witches get it...
3. Other than that? Something that does fire or sonic damage underwater?
4. We need to get everything identified too: We have made a bunch of rolls as as group, but not everything has been described yet.
5. We need to divide up the treasure too ASAP. Anybody who has not claimed anything yet, please grab some stuff to upgrade your equipment if you can.
Pick a number and comment please! Including the GM if possible...
1. I agree 100%.
2. Someone needs to use the ring of swimming, if we aren’t doing so.
3. Makes sense to me.
4. Yep.
5. The +2 mithral chain and the +2 ring of protection would add +2 to my AC. I have currently +1 chain and a +1 ring of protection, so those would be the two items I’d be interested in.
The chain is no use to me, but the ring would be a +1 upgrade for my AC as well.
Generally in combat, while I'm happy to to teeth to toe, I'm probably best off spamming summons at it.
1. Yes, of course!
2. If we get a scroll or two of Free Swim I would be very, very grateful. It'd allow Elurius to get around the battlefield easily and with flicker she could do a lot to support everyone.
3.1. Hrmm a lesser rod of metamagic, steam would allow you to cast 3 fire spells underwater a day for only 1500 gp, or if that is too expensive or limited in use, a light of Axtarr would allow you to auto succeed at caster level checks to cast fire spells underwater, but at 180 a pop, they are expensive as well.
3.2. As for sonic, Ear piercing scream is a first level witch spell (and therefore a cheap scroll to add to your repertoire). other wise the spell sonic scream is about the only things I can find that are sonic damaging spells and within a level that buying a scroll or wand of isn't too expensive.
4. Uhhh Elurius has no ranks in spell craft so she be no help here.
5. Elurius doesn't have a ring of protection or an amulet of natural armor, so she could use the one Val or Oren gives up and the amulet. The only other thing she has any interest in would be the lesser rod of extend metamagic, most of her spells, and especially her buffs, could benefit from that. Hideous laughter or shamefully overdressed for 12 rounds... ouch (though useless on an ooze), or prayer for 12 rounds!
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GM suggestion: you should get something to cause the Globster slashing damage...
Also, friendly reminder: you've got a lot of money tucked away... it might be needed in the future but it could also be used for upgrading your gear. As always, the choice is yours.
The professor will identify what you want as long as you pay him. It's 50gp for each piece of equipment you want identified.
Anyway: I need a consensus on how you want to proceed.
Let's hear from Rocco and we will go from there.
1. Agreed
2. I don't think it's as important for Rocco to be able to swim as the more melee characters. If he did have Free Swim cast on him, I did find some spells that he could us though (see below)
3. Spiritualist doesn't have anything for fire or sonic damage, but I did find a few second level spells that I could grab scrolls for to give him some tools. First, if I'm keeping at a distance, I could use a scroll of spectral hand to deliver my Chill Touch from a good ways away. Alternatively, if I'm getting up close, I could use either Force Sword, which functions as a +1 longsword for the duration (minute/level). The spell says the sword I summon is sized appropriately for me, so probably will still be small, but it'd be better damage than my kukri. The other option is Shadow Claws, which deals 1d3 damage plus 1 Strength damage (Fort negates Str damage). Again, if I'm going to go in for melee, I'll need my AC boosted a bit more, but it's at least a possibility.
4 and 5. Loot list should be up to date, so everyone take a look. I think I've pretty much claimed everything I want for Rocco, so the rest is up for grabs.
OK. I will respond to all of this today as soon as I can.
Alright here it goes...
Buying stuff: At minimum we should get at least a couple of scrolls of Free Swim, or see if the Professor can cast it for us as part of his deal with us. Then I think a lesser Metamatic Rod of Steam might be a good choice for me (unless the cost is prohibitive). I want everyone to carry at least one potion of healing too, so select one from the loot list if you do not have one yet. We will buy more for anyone who needs it. If we can afford to purchase something for Val to improve her AC then we can do that too. I will also consider getting a scroll of Ear Piercing Scream if we can afford it to add to my 'Familiar' Deck.
@GM: If the items unidentified so far are accurate (We've rolled multiple times on some of them that should work but for the most complex unique items I guess) please let us know for sure so we know how much it will cost us for the Professor to identify the rest. I will request Rocco send you a complete list of items we still needto Identify.
@Oren: I'm inclined to let you have the greater share of the new magical protection stuff. Make sure and put anything you are replacing back into the Loot Sheet or send it to Rocco so he can do so. I will take the Ring of Swimming if no one else wants it currently. I will skip getting a 'Free Swim spell for it if needed.
@Val: Since you can buff your AC with spells and shapeshifting I'm inclined to give the current most powerful defensive items to Oren as our main melee person. I will try to make sure you get a chance at something new ASAP. Do you have magical armor yet? What kind do you wear? Leather? Hide?
@Rocco: Let's keep you out of the Melee since you could be swallowed a bit too quickly I'm afraid. Stick with Ranged stuff. List what you want to buy specifically for that and we can try to get it. Otherwise your Magical Dagger should be good for short range combat as needed. Also please provide a list of items to the GM that we still need to Identify ASAP.
TALON NOTE: I'm inclined to leave him here with the professor as back-up. Bot-ting him underwater is just annoying.
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@Lirotha:
-a lesser metamagic rod of steam costs 1.500 gp and is common enough you can probably find it in a specialized shop of some kind.
-I seem to recall you had 3 items you didn't identify (one of them I'm sure about, the other 2 not so much). For 100gp the professor will identify 2 out of 3 BUT the strange ring will require roleplay I'm afraid.
-Question: is Oren going to face the globster armed only with the klar?
OK...role playing a identification? I'm unsure what you mean. Just start discussing it with the professor incharacter? I already did that I thought...was that too off-handed a way?
I can't force Oren to use anything else. That's up to her. It is a magic weapon too if I remember correctly (Both defensive and offensively enchanted). So there is that. Does anybody have any magic that might improve her Klar's blade while underwater? Or another suggestion? Maybe a magic Oil we can apply to it that we can buy...??
The klar is slashing, but I’ve never attacked with it, just used it for defense. I’m not proficient with it as a Brawler.
I do have a couple handaxes, if anyone can magic weapon one of them for me.
I’ll hand off the ring of protection +1 to Val, since she is the secondary melee person as I take the +2 one.
I also have a +1 chain shirt that needs to be added to the loot sheet, if someone doesn’t want to claim it.
Val currently uses +1 leather. No real hurry to upgrade it. I'd prefer to stick to leather rather than hide. Especially in the city, leather might pass, but Hide would look a little odd.
Barkskin can buff me another three points easily enough, and if I do cats grace, that is another two.
In a normal load-out I can do two free-swims. One of my third level slots was tied up with a stoneshape today.
Val, I ninja’d your post. I think you need to add the +1 ring of protection to your sheet as I upgraded. Being secondary melee, you need it, I think.
I already have a +1 ring. So that can go to someone else.
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Oren, as a Brawler, can't you give yourself proficiency with a Klar temporarily? Isn't that one of the main abilities of brawlers? Temporary Combat Feats? Oh I see. You gave that up for the Mutagen ability.
The klar is slashing, but I’ve never attacked with it, just used it for defense. I’m not proficient with it as a Brawler.
I do have a couple handaxes, if anyone can magic weapon one of them for me.
I’ll hand off the ring of protection +1 to Val, since she is the secondary melee person as I take the +2 one.
I also have a +1 chain shirt that needs to be added to the loot sheet, if someone doesn’t want to claim it.
Elurius has you covered on the magic handaxe! Vl has her own ring of protection so that could go to Rocco if he's planning on being in melee much after this, but Elurius would appreciate it for this fight.
Secondly, I'm planning on loading out Oren and Val (if she's going into melee) with Shield Other. It should provide another +1 to AC and reduce the damage you take by half.
Some questions I have though, First does anyone have a way to use a scroll under water? I'd love to set up haste for this fight, but the duration is too short to cast before going underwater.
Second, does anyone what to use Life Pact or Heroism?
Third, DM, would it be meaningless for Elurius to be invisible underwater? I'm hoping to be able to move around the battle field behind the melee people and cast spells without provoking.
Heroism is good. So is lifepack (at least vs this guy, againt an AOO person, it may be less use.) The only real question is whether it is worth the higher level spell slot.
Here's what I can find for unidentified magic items:
From the trapped room with the treasure chests, chest #3:
a cloak, a folded boat, four rings, a wand, a battered, leather-bound book looks like an aged and heavily worn notebook and a robe
From the scum wizard:
the strange device/big ring?
I think we ID'd everything else ourselves, or at least that's how I have it listed in the loot sheet.
For purchasing stuff, since I'm sticking to ranged combat, all I'll need is a scroll of Spectral Hand for 200gp
Heroism is good. So is lifepack (at least vs this guy, againt an AOO person, it may be less use.) The only real question is whether it is worth the higher level spell slot.
I have scrolls of both, so no worries about how to cast them!
@GM: I will have/send a full purchase list and a general plan of attack by tonight or tomorrow morning.
@ ALL: If there is anything specific you want to ask for (Go wild if you think it is inexpensive enough) then PM me please ASAP. Right now we need to look at this as investment in our group's future, not just a nasty combat to overcome. Pushing us outside our character's comfort zones is a good way to be prepared for the future when odd things come up and throw twists at us again.
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@Oren: A brawler is proficent in the close weapon group. A Klar is included in that group (and heavy blades but you just need to be proficent in one group).
@Elurius: Let's say it would pèrobably be easier to locate you underwater than on dry land but invisibility will have som eeffect (unless an opponent could see through it obviously).
@Rocco: yes, the big ring cannot be identified by the usual means, talking with the professor might help though.
@Lirotha: waiting for it
After MUCH deliberation and rethinking...
Stuff to BUY:
For Me/Group - Metamagic Rod, Reach (Instead of
a Steam Rod...this is more useful in the end,
but more expensive. I have several touch spells
that would be very useful underwater.)
3,000 gp
For Me - Scroll of Ear Piercing Scream x1
25 each
For Rocco - Scroll of Spectral Hand (x1)
and Spiritual Weapon (x1)
150 each (300 Total)
For Group - Scroll of Free Swim x3
375 each = 1125
STUFF to IDENTIFY:
NOTE: Folded Boat (This is a 'Folding Boat' right? No
need to identify this? Right?
How many of these are actually magical? Those are the
only ones we need identified. A quick detect magic on
these...
Cloak
Rings (x4)
Wand
Robe
Cost 100gp each to identify.
Item splits To be as fair as possible:
+2 Chain for Oren
+2 Ring of Prot for Valrani
Elurious then takes the +1 Ring from Valrani.
Elurious or Valrani should take the Wand of Owl's Wisdom (13 ch)
~I can't use it without a UMD check.
GROUP ITEM NOTES:
There are six potions of CMW left (I personally took two). Please
grab some for each of you please? (update the Loot Sheet)
I would like to suggest we put all our remaining potions
and poisons in the 'Handy Haversack'. Lirotha will still carry it,
if that is OK, but the potions will be available for
everyone's use as needed.
~Haversack Items
Potions Lesser Restoration (4)
Potions Neutralize Poison (4)
Potions Remove Curse (4)
Potions Remove Disease (4)
Vials Lich dust poison (2)
Vials Medium spider venom (6)
Vial Wyvern poison (1)
Dose of Oil of Life (1) -Sprinkle for Resurrection!
Potion of Cure Light Wounds (3)
Potion, Shield of Faith +2 (1)
Once the other stuff is identified, we can determine who gets what
then.
OK...I'm tired. Gotta get some sleep. Everyone please update your stuff and the Loot sheet if it has not already been done.
Once the GM approves everything and Identifies everything, then we can get to it and finish off this monster.
Took 2 CMW potions and kept the +1 ring. Oren is ready when the group is.
5 items identified = 500 gp.
Estimated Total spent on group preparations: 4950gp!
Who wants the Cloak of Elvenkind? As a half-elf, and so-so stealth person, the cloak would definitely work for me (I'd give up a rat - eaten Cloak of Resistance +1 to do it), but I believe cloaks are one of the few items (like boots and rings) that shrink to fit, so Rocco may want it too? Or Val? NOTE: With my flight capabilities now, it would come in real handy helping me hide on rooftops as needed.
Alter Self is a Witch Spell, but not an Oracle, Druid or Spiritualist spell as far as I can tell. So I will take that Wand too unless someone else wants to claim it. I may need a wand-sheath bracer! I miss the old 3.5 edition Gnomish Wand Bracer! You could hook up to three wands into it and cast any of the wand's spells from it with a wave of your hand!
Maybe we can build something like that eventually?
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I recommend we keep the Robe and Folding Boat in the Haversack for group usage. The Robe would be an excellent way to keep a prisoner docile if it ever comes to that. The boat we can use to travel on the river or in the ocean. Very useful, especially if we need to make a fast getaway!
I'm also going to eventually keep the dagger and Mithral Shortsword from the loot sheet in the Haversack as back-up weapon(s) for anybody who might need it. We tend to run into escaped prisoners a lot I've noticed!
Anybody else have any other comments? Questions? Problems?
If not, take your loot and let's talk to the professor about these rings!
Hrmm about the cloak, I'm not sure how it works with the bonus from invisibility, but if it stacks I would want to borrow the cloak for this fight, but normally I wouldn't need it.
Second, Val, could you prepare a casting of Negate Aroma? If the Ooze has scent then I could be screwed. Also do you want the wand of Owl's wisdom or do you want me to carry it and cast it at appropriate times? My wisdom is so dismal that casting it on myself would be like throwing money down the drain.
I've added the ring of protection, rod of extend metamagic, and amulet of natural armor to her character sheet and taglines.
For most of this fight, she's going to stay invisible, so flagbearer is not going to be active, however prayer should be. Bull's strength on Val and Oren, as well as Shield Other on both, +3 AC Shield of Faith on both, Heroism on someone (will roll for UMD check in game later), Protection from Evil Communal (on everyone just in case, 2 minutes on Oren), Haste (assuming this is is a leather scroll and not paper), and.... not sure if there are anymore bonuses I can stack in there. So for Oren and Val that would be a +4 to attack rolls; +1 to weapon damage, saves and skills; and a +5 (+7 if the ooze is evil) to AC with a -1 to the thing's attacks, damages and saves. For everyone else that's a +2 to attacks; +1 to weapon damage, skills and saves; and +1 (+3 if it's evil) to AC.
Does anyone want a casting of Heroism on them?
Elurius should be good for the most part.
If the GM is happy with my access to the spell, I'd be delighted to prepare a negate armoa.
These days Owl's wisdom is only a very short term buff, if we know we are having a battle coming up, Val could use it, but generally she is melee rather than casting, so the bonus to the DCs is probably not worth the cost in time/charges for her.
Protection from evil won't stack with shield of faith, as they are both deflection :-(
While Val would like Heroism, Oren's multiple attacks make her a better person to use it on I think.
Looking further into it, seems that the AC bonus from Shield Other is defelction as well, meaning that at best she can give someone a +4 to AC (effectively a +5 with the penalty to the oozes attack from Prayer.)
As I understand it, the Cloak of Elvenkind only works as a bonus to stealth if you are trying to hide (blending in). Otherwise it's just a fancy cloak. The +5 bonus is a competence bonus, so it technically stacks with invisibility. But invisibility gives you a +20 on stealth...so that's a bit of overkill in my opinion.
Remember the Owl's wisdom bonus means bonuses to that person's Will saves too. You never know when that will come in handy to help resist a charm or fear attack! Elurious you take it. Even if we don't use it much, it can still be very helpful later. Especially once we start meeting higher level summoned Devils with special powers and whatnot. (That's a safe bet I think too...)
As I understand it, the Cloak of Elvenkind only works as a bonus to stealth if you are trying to hide (blending in). Otherwise it's just a fancy cloak. The +5 bonus is a competence bonus, so it technically stacks with invisibility. But invisibility gives you a +20 on stealth...so that's a bit of overkill in my opinion.
Remember the Owl's wisdom bonus means bonuses to that person's Will saves too. You never know when that will come in handy to help resist a charm or fear attack! Elurious you take it. Even if we don't use it much, it can still be very helpful later. Especially once we start meeting higher level summoned Devils with special powers and whatnot. (That's a safe bet I think too...)
Considering my base for stealth is a 1 and we're going to be in the water (especially water that has small debris floating in it) that twenty might not be enough. Normally I would agree but in this case, probably better to be safe than sorry. Especially as the spell language itself mentions swimming in water as being one of the ways to be detectable by other means. I'll have two shield others running so I really don't want to take a hit. If you want it for this fight then certainly use it, but if you aren't planning on stealthing then maybe I could borrow it?
Roger on the wand!
I don't plan on using it underwater so take it for now, but once we get back up top...assuming nobody else wants it...it will allow me to blend in among the gargoyles on the rooftops! If Talon were still with us I'd recommend it for his alter ego!
=)
I actually have been wearing another Cloak of Elvenkind we found earlier in the adventure, so I don't need this one.
For the Owl's Wisdom discussion, I could actually benefit from that, as Wisdom is my casting stat. Since I'll be casting spells against this ooze, boosting the DC a couple points via Owl's Wisdom could be a huge help!
Outside of those couple notes, I think I'm all set!
Can you actually use the wand then? Is that spell available to you?
I have added the Headband of Vast Intelligence to my character and updated everything. This gives me better DCs on my Hexas and spells!
I also gain a bonus 1st level spell slot so I'm filling it with the Ear Piercing Scream spell that I learned from the scroll we bought.
No, Owl's Wisdom isn't on my spell list. I was thinking Val could cast it on me ahead of the fight since it's minutes/level.
I've got you Rocco! Just think of me as the one stop power up spot!
Kurglunn will be overjoyed!
I found it...the Professor can do 15 levels of spells.
So let's do:
Telepathic Bond again but let's double that.
(That's the Professor/me/Oren/and Val, then the Professor/me/Elurious and Rocco) - Does this make sense? It was probably the most useful spell we took earlier since it allowed us to communicate most often without making noise. We were able to surprize a lot of our enemies that way.
Then let's do 5 monkeyfish spells. That won't last long, but that gives each of us a basic swim speed of 10ft (20ft. with a full move) and will allow us to reach the ooze faster I think.
Monkeyfish is another I can do, though my spell loadout is not the highest.
Do we know anything about special attacks we should be preparing ourselves against?